Chick-fil-A controversy shines light on restaurant's Christian DNA

reply to post by Annee

You never did answer my question to you:

What do you think should happen to Chic-Fil-A over this? If you suddenly became omnipotent, how would you solve the problem?

TheRedneck

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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by nwdogg1982
Their primary target customer base is the christian community though, so boycotting it won't do much to deter the normal customers, and even most non-christians simply won't care enough to do so.

I am not non-Christian - - - I am pro Equal Rights for All.

I do boycott companies that I feel do not support Equality.

But how many companies today give to pro-gay groups and not even think about giving equally to a conservative group? How many companies give money to certain minority groups but ignore others? If a company only gives money to the united negro college fund and skips mexicans and asians will you not support them?
The problem with most people today who practice peace and tolerance have no peace and tolerance for those who disagree with them.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Annee

You never did answer my question to you:

What do you think should happen to Chic-Fil-A over this? If you suddenly became omnipotent, how would you solve the problem?

TheRedneck

I do not fully understand the question.

There are many Gay Christians and many Christians who fully accept God made some living beings attracted to same sex. It is a God given birthright.

Ancient Dogma vs Human understanding and compassion is a sad thing.

Have I said anything other then I would boycott a company that intentionally and deliberately through financial political means - - - is fighting to deny Equal Rights to a minority?

Have I called for the business to be shut down? Have I told anyone else what to do?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by tyranny22
If Capitalism has taught us anything it's that consumers only know what they want ... they really don't care about the story behind it. They might act like they do, but when it comes down to getting their hands on a PS3, no one really cares if it was developed in rogue state Syria, manufactured in Communist North Korea and assembled by 10 year old workers in Bangladesh. They just want to play the damned thing.

Actually - - I do care.

And NO - I don't eat at Mc Donalds - - because I think the food is terrible. However - I did work at a meat processing plant - - becoming friends with the USDA inspector - - who had worked for many years in Mc Donald's facilities. He had only high regards with the high quality and state of the art equipment in those facilities. They also try to use locally grown potatoes - lettuce - etc (and meat) when ever possible.

oh wow!
mwahaha, did you really, REALLY just defend McDonalds and somehow imply they have health standards they follow?
Can you tell me why a McDonalds cheeseburger can sit on a shelf for a month and the bun won't get moldy and the beef does not get putrid?
lol, ROFL, but they use clean equipment, mwahahaha, THIS IS GREAT. bUT AT LEAST THEY PROMOTE A GAY AGENDA SO IT MAKES IT BETTER FOOD? rofl.
btw, you don't seem to willing to support why you are so biased and bigoted to those that don't believe as you do.
But ty, tyvm for the fantastic comedic relief in obviously using irony and hypocrisy to lighten my day...

Originally posted by AnonymousMoose

But how many companies today give to pro-gay groups and not even think about giving equally to a conservative group? How many companies give money to certain minority groups but ignore others? If a company only gives money to the united negro college fund and skips mexicans and asians will you not support them?
The problem with most people today who practice peace and tolerance have no peace and tolerance for those who disagree with them.

How is any of that denying the rights of a minority?

Originally posted by manna2

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by tyranny22
If Capitalism has taught us anything it's that consumers only know what they want ... they really don't care about the story behind it. They might act like they do, but when it comes down to getting their hands on a PS3, no one really cares if it was developed in rogue state Syria, manufactured in Communist North Korea and assembled by 10 year old workers in Bangladesh. They just want to play the damned thing.

Actually - - I do care.

And NO - I don't eat at Mc Donalds - - because I think the food is terrible. However - I did work at a meat processing plant - - becoming friends with the USDA inspector - - who had worked for many years in Mc Donald's facilities. He had only high regards with the high quality and state of the art equipment in those facilities. They also try to use locally grown potatoes - lettuce - etc (and meat) when ever possible.

oh wow!
mwahaha, did you really, REALLY just defend McDonalds and somehow imply they have health standards they follow?

Read it again. I did not defend anyone.

The USDA inspector I was friendly with defended their cleanliness - - QC - - state of the art equipment - - and working with local producers. He was a meat inspector. He had nothing to do with anything beyond that.

I don't eat sugar. A Mc Donald hamburger bun tastes like a pastry to me because of its high sugar content. They also sprinkle their french fries with sugar water before deep frying them. On rare occasions - - if I take my grandkid to a McD playland - - - I get plain hamburgers and throw the bun away. Milk and apple juice are available.

Maybe we should go after every food co. with a Kosher seal too.

I just had to throw this in. It seems to fit so perfectly.

Things White People Like #101 Being Offended

Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people. In fact, they don’t even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about “flyover states”). As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.

It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples.

I am white and yes I believe the above statement does apply to at least 40% of all white people. I will go further and say it is also true for 90% of the so called, "liberal" and/or "tolerant" white people I know.

Originally posted by jibeho

Chick fil a offers superb customer service that rivals its peers in the fast food realm. It also rivals the service of many traditional sit down restaurants. Come for the service and stay for th excellent food. Furthermore, they are also actively involved in the community in which they operate. In my area they even offer a family fun night once a week, they sponsor local athletics and school groups for fundraisers, they offer free meals, discounts on special days etc etc.

I am not picking on you jibeho, but thought I would question this little tid bit right here ...

Come for the service and stay for th excellent food.

I think you mean "excellent tasting" food. Every since I learned about MSG, I have been trying to avoid it. Turns out that MSG, as labeled and in its 1,000 other sneaky names, is in almost every food we eat. Ever wonder why America and TV evangelist John Hagee are fighting obesity in epidemic proportions? I bet it has to do with this little bugger. According to an article in Natural News:

But how does MSG cause obesity? Like aspartame, MSG is an excitotoxin, a substance that overexcites neurons to the point of cell damage and, eventually, cell death. Humans lack a blood-brain barrier in the hypothalamus, which allows excitotoxins to enter the brain and cause damage, according to Dr. Russell L. Blaylock in his book Excitotoxins. According to animal studies, MSG creates a lesion in the hypothalamus that correlates with abnormal development, including obesity, short stature and sexual reproduction problems.

Chick-Fil-A is not the only culprit, every fast food chain does it. So the question I ask is if this company really has it's clientele in their best interest, why are they poisoning them? Additionally, MSG is like crack coc aine in the food realms. Big biz understands this, that is why it has been legislated as safe. Therefore, like any drug pusher, not only are they poisoning you, but also creating and perpetrating the illness.

But, I choose not to get my pants all twisted about it. I choose not to eat fast food.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by manna2

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by tyranny22
If Capitalism has taught us anything it's that consumers only know what they want ... they really don't care about the story behind it. They might act like they do, but when it comes down to getting their hands on a PS3, no one really cares if it was developed in rogue state Syria, manufactured in Communist North Korea and assembled by 10 year old workers in Bangladesh. They just want to play the damned thing.

Actually - - I do care.

And NO - I don't eat at Mc Donalds - - because I think the food is terrible. However - I did work at a meat processing plant - - becoming friends with the USDA inspector - - who had worked for many years in Mc Donald's facilities. He had only high regards with the high quality and state of the art equipment in those facilities. They also try to use locally grown potatoes - lettuce - etc (and meat) when ever possible.

oh wow!
mwahaha, did you really, REALLY just defend McDonalds and somehow imply they have health standards they follow?

Read it again. I did not defend anyone.

The USDA inspector I was friendly with defended their cleanliness - - QC - - state of the art equipment - - and working with local producers. He was a meat inspector. He had nothing to do with anything beyond that.

I don't eat sugar. A Mc Donald hamburger bun tastes like a pastry to me because of its high sugar content. They also sprinkle their french fries with sugar water before deep frying them. On rare occasions - - if I take my grandkid to a McD playland - - - I get plain hamburgers and throw the bun away. Milk and apple juice are available.

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sure, and by the same standards in using language I can rightly say "I personally am not gay, and I find the acts appalling, I have a friend who says that he frequents gay b ath houses and he says they all shower regularly and their personal hygeine is second to none"
But I am not bashing gays, I am just pointing out what a friend said
And you have yet to address your inaccurate and faulty sources you quoted to make sensationalist posts to make your biased views have validity.
Is Dr. James Dobson a reverend or not?

reply to post by Annee

There are many Gay Christians and many Christians who fully accept God made some living beings attracted to same sex. It is a God given birthright.

And there are many Christians (myself included) who are homo-apathetic... we simply don't care because what happens in someone else's bedroom is none of our business (and our's is none of their's).

Please understand where I am coming from on this Annee. I have owned successful companies in the past, and there is literally no end to the people coming out of the woodworks when one becomes successful who believe that they should then begin to make decisions for the successful one. They don't care when something is not a success; they only care when it is a success.

In this case, we have a very successful company which just so happens to have been started and is run by a family who profess Christian values. This family is giving their hard-earned profits to a charity of their choice. You wish to boycott them because they are not giving their money to other charities, or because they are giving to a charity you don't like.

Is that not correct? Am I misreading your posts?

My question is simple: do you think there should be a law that requires charitable giving to be 'equitable'? Do you think it would be better for someone to not give to any charity than to only give to those they want to? How do you think equity and acceptability for charitable giving should be decided if not by those who give?

Please, you have as much right to boycott Chic-Fil-A as I do to patronize them. I do not dispute that. Just as I believe they have the right to determine where their money goes, so do you. And apparently, it will have no effect on Chic-Fil-A whatsoever, since their actions have never been hidden. But do you not see the arrogance, bigotry, and hypocrisy in your statements?

TheRedneck

This post is to no one in particular, it is a broad-spectrum reply, so as to side-step bickering.

If someone does not like the practices of a Christian-based organization then boycott them.

If someone else believes that person is ignorant for practicing and standing for their beliefs then do so.

Here however is where I have a problem with both sides.

Whether you believe in the Bible, a "Supreme being" called God, or not, or in corporate America, you as citizens all have choices to make, just as does Chik-Fil-A, you can do something about it, make your stand, expouse your opinion across the World Wide Web through sites such as ATS, you can complain, whine, bitch, and scream all you want, you can boycott or reverse boycott, again, all you want, you can speak your mind all you want in some degree, shape, or manner.

That is fine.

I respect that.

You can decry political affliation, non-political affiliations, secret deeds behind closed doors, or cabalistic tendencies with allusions towards KKK or Nazi affiliations all you want from Christian to Jewish Zionistic tendencies, or whatever you want to throw into the mix.

In the end, Chik-Fil-A is a business, it supports its business-model, as well as the beliefs of the founders of the corporation.

One thing to remember though is that this corporation got into business for one thing.

To make money.

If their beliefs assisted them then obviously there are a large portion of the citizenry who believes in it.

Just as well there are many people oblivious to those beliefs and who just want to eat food.

Some people care about nutrition, others want their food fast, and get out of their damn way.

Society, as a whole, has taken the easy way out, complain, whine, and bitch about something.

Boycott the business to hurt it financially.

But far, far too few of those same said people who complain, whine, and bitch daily, will do a damn thing other than that and the occasional boycotting of a business, without stepping into the limelight and becoming some nutcase and shooting some politician.

Somewhere, deep in the fabric of society, and specifically within this conspiracy theorist community as well, the personal level of committment towards actually changing those things we see as reprehensible through positive actions has taken a back seat to irresponsibility of citizenship, and people have forgotten that in order to make that change we as human being first must arm ourselves to the teeth through intelligent discussion, shared thoughts and or disagreeing with different people through a discussion, but the next step is one many people loathe to even consider for themselves.

And they decry for others.

And that is actually stepping into the political arena themselves and sharing their beliefs.

Now, according to what I was raised under, Christianity, under many different branches, and what I came to understand about homosexuality are at a cross-roads because the Bible says one thing, and religious leaders teach another thing, and people hear exactly whaever the Hell they want to when it comes to what they believe "God" says through the teaching of the Bible, just as much as they believe, rather ignorantly sometimes, whatever the Hell they want to discern from those teachings.

And God said be fruitful and multiply...

That is the one and only reason "homosexuality" is "wrong" according to the Bible.

Population expansion over population control.

According to the writings of a thousands of years old texts which were originally spoken, through word-of-mouth, and then canonized by the church, most specifically the the Roman Catholic church, more so than any others, the Hebrews were told to do something because according to their Yaweh, he wanted them to expand their population, according to what was written.

It is however Christians, and non-Christians alike, who have totally screwed up the original text.

Misinterpreted it, misrepresented it, mis-stated its original intent.

I am Christian, non-denominational, because quite frankly I got sick and tired of listening to ignorance.

On both sides of the aisle.

I practice without going to a "church-building" because I see it as pointless.

Except as a means to share ideas which may or may not align with others.

Now, Chik-Fil-A may irritate some people, it may be yummy to others.

But I have yet to have seen any machinations towards erradicating a section of the population.

We have come a long way since Nazi Germany tried to expand ignorance through population control.

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But not by much.

Whereas corporate structures used to hide behind the scenes their intent is quite clear.

From Concentration Camps to waiting in lines to being scanned that transition is quite clear.

It is wholly because people have sat back on the sidelines and complained, whined and bitched.

Without actually doing a damn thing about those things they disagree with.

Yes, corporations can do atrcious things, many still operate to this day in spite of their affiliations.

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation
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Amazon Review :

Was IBM, "The Solutions Company," partly responsible for the Final Solution?

That's the question raised by Edwin Black's IBM and the Holocaust, the most controversial book on the subject since Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.

Black, a son of Holocaust survivors, is less tendentiously simplistic than Goldhagen, but his thesis is no less provocative: he argues that IBM founder Thomas Watson deserved the Merit Cross (Germany's second-highest honor) awarded him by Hitler, his second-biggest customer on earth.

"IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success," writes Black.

"IBM had almost single-handedly brought modern warfare into the information age [and] virtually put the 'blitz' in the krieg."

The crucial technology was a precursor to the computer, the IBM Hollerith punch card machine, which Black glimpsed on exhibit at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, inspiring his five-year, top-secret book project.

The Hollerith was used to tabulate and alphabetize census data.

Black says the Hollerith and its punch card data ("hole 3 signified homosexual ... hole 8 designated a Jew") was indispensable in rounding up prisoners, keeping the trains fully packed and on time, tallying the deaths, and organizing the entire war effort.

Hitler's regime was fantastically, suicidally chaotic; could IBM have been the cause of its sole competence: mass-murdering civilians?

Better scholars than I must sift through and appraise Black's mountainous evidence, but clearly the assessment is overdue.

The moral argument turns on one question: How much did IBM New York know about IBM Germany's work, and when?

Black documents a scary game of brinksmanship orchestrated by IBM chief Watson, who walked a fine line between enraging U.S. officials and infuriating Hitler. He shamefully delayed returning the Nazi medal until forced to--and when he did return it, the Nazis almost kicked IBM and its crucial machines out of Germany.

(Hitler was prone to self-defeating decisions, as demonstrated in How Hitler Could Have Won World War II.) Black has created a must-read work of history.

But it's also a fascinating business book examining the colliding influences of personality, morality, and cold strategic calculation.

--Tim Appelo

I bring up both Nazi Germany as well as T.S.A. only because the first was already mentioned and the later, to some, is the modern day equivalent to the former, but those organizations, those corporations could not have made the functions toward the Fascist belief systems they did, without people sitting on the sidelines, without people being irresponsible.

So, if you're not actually backing up what you think and say here, with physical activism you really have nothing to say.

At least, not that I want to hear, because so far all I hear is empty rhetoric.

And rhetoric without action to support those words is nothing but a hollow gesture.

This is in no way directed at any one person but to the thread and its original intent.

Quite simply because I am fed-up with ATS and empty rhetoric.

If someone pisses you off in politics quit complaining, whining, and bitching.

And do something positive.

If someone pisses you off in corporate strategy quit complaining, whining, and bitching.

And do something positive.

If someone pisses you off because they disagree with your perspective quit complaining, whining, bitching.

And do something positive and try to understand their persepctive even if you disagree.

Mutual respect for another persons perspective sure can teach you more about tolerance.

Than being intolerant of others beliefs, perspectives, morals, and ethics.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Annee

 

Well go ahead and boycott them for providing a lunch to a group of people.

Ridiculous.

Inequality is not ridiculous.

Religion is the #1 reason for inequality IMO.

I will continue - - as many others do - - boycotting these companies.

Religion is not the #1 reason - humans are. Remember when you were in 1st grade and Billy Smith made fun of you for your red hair and wouldn't let you play tag with them.

It wasn't because he was religious... just because humans don't like people that are different from them. It's spooky and it scares us.... ALL of us.

The founder is Christian, it is a Christian business. They can support an anti-gay whatever if they want to and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it. If you don't like it, take your business elsewhere because they don't need it.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by AnonymousMoose

But how many companies today give to pro-gay groups and not even think about giving equally to a conservative group? How many companies give money to certain minority groups but ignore others? If a company only gives money to the united negro college fund and skips mexicans and asians will you not support them?
The problem with most people today who practice peace and tolerance have no peace and tolerance for those who disagree with them.

How is any of that denying the rights of a minority?

Annee, have you looked into this further? As a non American person this is the first I've heard of this company BUT..... if they have made a gesture to support a pro marriage goup that means.... they have made a gesture to support a pro marriage group. That doesn't mean they have made a gesture to an 'anti anyone who for whatever reason doesn't support marriage' group - lighten up.

Besides, it's franchise based, if a donation was made by a local store it may or may not reflect on the full organisation.

You seem to sometimes come along with an agenda and look for a situation to apply it to. That's fine, but isn't life a little short for that?

Personally, I like the food they have and will continue to eat there. How they run their company is their own business, as long as it hurts no one and is legal.

All of the restaurants that are here in Maryland, always have a line most of the time, kinda like Chipotle. I think they will continue to do well, regardless of this new news.

They have a unique product and model that works, I'm sure they will stand the test of time.

Originally posted by soaringhawk
The founder is Christian, it is a Christian business. They can support an anti-gay whatever if they want to and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it. If you don't like it, take your business elsewhere because they don't need it.

Uh - - isn't that what boycotting means?

Of course there is also organized boycotting on a larger scale - - by those who will no longer let it "be quiet" or swept under the rug - - major corporations who promote and financially support discrimination of any kind. Denying equality is a discrimination.

Originally posted by something wicked
Annee, have you looked into this further? As a non American person this is the first I've heard of this company BUT..... if they have made a gesture to support a pro marriage group that means.... they have made a gesture to support a pro marriage group. That doesn't mean they have made a gesture to an 'anti anyone who for whatever reason doesn't support marriage' group - lighten up.

They have donated large sums of money to political groups that fight legalizing gay marriage.

Here is only the first 5 sites on Google.

religion.blogs.cnn.com...
newsfeed.time.com...
news.change.org...
news.change.org...
news.change.org...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Excellent post Annee, and thanks for your contributions to this thread. I had no idea they have donated so much...

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by something wicked
Annee, have you looked into this further? As a non American person this is the first I've heard of this company BUT..... if they have made a gesture to support a pro marriage group that means.... they have made a gesture to support a pro marriage group. That doesn't mean they have made a gesture to an 'anti anyone who for whatever reason doesn't support marriage' group - lighten up.

They have donated large sums of money to political groups that fight legalizing gay marriage.

Here is only the first 5 sites on Google.

religion.blogs.cnn.com...
newsfeed.time.com...
news.change.org...
news.change.org...
news.change.org...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

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