Muslims DON'T DESERVE Democracy, Unless They're Iraqi Or Afghans!! (logic = fail)

You read the title. Muslim's don't deserve democracy, unless they're Iraqi or Afghani's. If they're Iraqi or Afghani, they're magical Muslims, and we need to invade their countries to "fight for their freedoms" while in the mean time killing hundreds of thousands of their innocent civilians by accident (which don't really count though, cause they're brown anyway), and spending 10 years and billions of dollars and thousands of American lives (the real humans), and give them true freedom by instituting a police state in which they can't even travel freely without going through rigorous checkpoints. And even if their own people don't give a rats ass about their oppression that they were experiencing before the war, its our job to invade their countries without asking and hand democracy to them on a silver platter, and prop it up with our full military might.

BUT if a nation of people actually gets sick of their corrupt, evil, brutish dictator who doesn't allow free speech, let alone free elections, and tortures, imprisons and even kills political opponents and bloggers, while also unleashing goon squads and police to kill his own people and cutting off the internet, and then rise up in an organic fight for freedom, then they are sick and depraved, and actually quite possibly terrorists. Scratch that, they are terrorists; terrorists mobilized and organized by the Muslim Brotherhood teamed up with the uber-leftists (like code pink).

Yes, let's get this straight: they "hate us for our freedoms", but when they try to get their own freedoms to immitate our freedoms, they are the evil ones. Yup. You heard me. They are freedom loving terrorists!

And of course we already know that these people all actually want to behead all of us. That's why they're wearing western clothes and writing protest signs in English. Its cause they want to kill us all, because they're freedom loving terrorists. And we must hate them for the freedoms that they are trying to gain!! WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE, TRYING TO GAIN FREEDOMS; white people? Yeah, that's right... we have to hate them for their freedoms that they're trying to gain, because they hate us for our freedoms. What goes around comes around, right? It's called karma, punks!!

So in sum: MUSLIMS -- freedom; not yours..... Unless your Iraq or Afghan, then we will spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives fighting for your freedoms. You guys are the superior muslims, because we love you. And also I love Israel too, because the whole universe revolves around them and they are God's chosen people, on God's chosen land. And it's not like they could have chosen any land in the world to take over through militant terrorism, but they chose a secure spot in a non-volatile part of the world, so we have to protect them because none of the problems they face are their own fault.

/sarcasm^10

reply to post by FalselyFlagged


For some reason your sarcastic rant sound like you stole it from FOX news.

Here is why muslims don't deserve - or rather are incapable of democracy! - Islam is a savage, brutal, backward, inhuman and thoroughly evil ideology worse by far than nazism, or communism -that is why brutal corrupt dictators are needed to keep them in line.

The High Court yesterday ordered district officials in Shariatpur to explain why they failed to protect 14-year-old rape victim Hena from being whipped to death as per a fatwa on Monday.

The deputy commissioner, the superintendent of police of Shariatpur and the thana nirbahi officer of Naria upazila -- where the incident took place--will have to report to the HC in 15 days how it happened although the court (HC) had eight months ago declared fatwa illegal and a punishable offence. In a suo moto rule, the HC directed them also to report what steps they have taken in this regard. An HC bench comprised of Justice AHM Shamsuddin Chowdhury Manik and Justice Sheikh Md Zakir Hossain issued the rule following press reports on the killing of Hena.

The reports said Hena was raped by her 40-year-old relative Mahbub on Sunday. Next day, a fatwa was announced at a village arbitration that she must be given 100 lashes. She fell unconscious after nearly 80 lashes. Fatally injured Hena was rushed to Naria health complex where she succumbed to her injuries. Supreme Court lawyer Seema Zahur yesterday placed before the HC bench a press report on the incident on behalf of Bangladesh National Women Lawyers Association.

www.thedailystar.net...

So what you're saying is America needs to invade every country in the middle east?

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


Right...the somewhat 95% of Bangladeshi muslim people who condemn the devilish act don't get their rights because a couple extremists decide that for them....

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Here is why muslims don't deserve - or rather are incapable of democracy! - Islam is a savage, brutal, backward, inhuman and thoroughly evil ideology worse by far than nazism, or communism -that is why brutal corrupt dictators are needed to keep them in line.

Wow. That was ignorant and biggoted.

Your logic is: Islam is savage, brutal, and inhumane, so to solve that, we need to prop up dictators who are -- guess what -- savage brutal and inhumane. Does this make any sense? No.

And please explain to me why democracy works for Indonesia (the biggest muslim nation in the world) and why we are at war in 2 Muslim nations "fighting for their right to democracy", as Bush put it. Why are we trying to make democracy work in 2 muslim countries that didn't even want it, then, if it's impossible?

I'm all ears.

BTW not all Muslims are apes, as you would like to believe. Why do you think the people are fighting for their freedom in Egypt? Cause they WANT freedom.

reply to post by FermiFlux


Because 80% of Egyptians in a recent poll approved of stoning for adultery:

Case in point: Yesterday on Fox News, Zuhdi Jasser claimed that "The Egyptian people are no different from us as Americans." One could go on all day about that, citing the prevalence of female genital mutilation in Egypt among other things, but this poll amply proves that a desire for democracy does not guarantee a desire for human rights by standards Westerners would even recognize. Projecting a Western understanding of concepts like liberty, justice, and good government onto such terms as they are employed by those in favor of Sharia law (not to mention the Muslim Brotherhood) only sets up the naïve for profound disappointments and awful surprises.

82%: Believe adulterers should be stoned . 84%: Believe apostates from Islam should face the death penalty

www.jihadwatch.org...

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Actually, 820 Egyptians favored stoning.

Out of a population of over eighty million.

A year ago.

With no detail on the methodology of the sample.

I love statistics. They're so... bendy!

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Actually, 820 Egyptians favored stoning.

Out of a population of over eighty million.

A year ago.

With no detail on the methodology of the sample.

I love statistics. They're so... bendy!

Seems like you are bending over backwards to deny the import of these 'statistics'

The sample group of 1,000 was surveyed in face-to-face interviews in April and May of last year for the U.S.-based Pew Research Center. These results give an idea of Egyptian public opinion before the current protests there broke out.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


Not at all.

Simply stating that the statistics are a year old, have no methodology outlined (ie, how were the 1,000 selected?) and that a thousand people can't realistically represent the interests of eighty million accurately.

You're desperate to show that Muslims are inherently evil and need to be beaten and murdered frequently to keep them under control. I'm truthfully not seeing how you're any better than the 820 Egyptians who think adulterers need to be beaten to death with rocks.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by JohhnyBGood

 

Not at all.

Simply stating that the statistics are a year old, have no methodology outlined (ie, how were the 1,000 selected?) and that a thousand people can't realistically represent the interests of eighty million accurately.

You're desperate to show that Muslims are inherently evil and need to be beaten and murdered frequently to keep them under control. I'm truthfully not seeing how you're any better than the 820 Egyptians who think adulterers need to be beaten to death with rocks.

Complaining that the statistics are a whole yr old - as though they were a packet of cornflakes is just laughably lame.

They were conducted by Pew - a respected polling organisation.

Of course a sample of 1,000 can give a realistic idea of public opinion!

I am stating that ISLAM is inherrently evil and incompatible with democracy - A TRUTH THAT YOU IT SEEMS WILL CONTORT YOURSELF INTO ANYPOSITION TO AVOID RECOGNISING!

Jesus was a Muslim, and if you don't understand why, then the people who criticism Islam don't know anything about it. Jesus was a Muslim and it is a fact by definition.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


You keep saying democracy is incompatable with Islam, but then you keep saying that we need to actively DENY them democracy. You failed to explain how indonesia or turkey works, or why exactly our country is in 2 wars right now to install democracy in Muslim countries..

But keep it up with your ignorance, that's cool too...

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged
reply to post by JohhnyBGood

 

You keep saying democracy is incompatable with Islam, but then you keep saying that we need to actively DENY them democracy. You failed to explain how indonesia or turkey works, or why exactly our country is in 2 wars right now to install democracy in Muslim countries..

But keep it up with your ignorance, that's cool too...

Islam is by definition incompatible with democracy - I have never said we should actively deny them democracy - Indonesia and Turkey are sham democracies, and we are wasting our time and moneyin Iraq and Afghanistan.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


The muslim extremist rule you see now are not representative of true islamic ideals. The Bangladesh example you mentioned as well as other like it in saudi arabia and pakistan are in fact against islam, its been said many times before, they extremists have built a brutal inhuman culture that has no basis in Islam but uses it nonetheless to justify their brutality.

Originally posted by DuneKnight
reply to post by JohhnyBGood

 

The muslim extremist rule you see now are not representative of true islamic ideals. The Bangladesh example you mentioned as well as other like it in saudi arabia and pakistan are in fact against islam, its been said many times before, they extremists have built a brutal inhuman culture that has no basis in Islam but uses it nonetheless to justify their brutality.

Who on earth do you think you are kidding! - Communists try to pull this same nonesense with 'pure communism has never been tried yet' - despite the millions upon millions that have died because of it.

Pure Islam is the Taliban, the Wahabbis, the Salafistsand the Khomeini's - it is a bunch of old men whipping a sixteen yr old girl to death because she 'tempted' one of them to rape her!

They are following the example of Mohammed and the dictats of the Koran - that is why no human rights based democratic ideals will ever dissuade them.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


And the people who say that about communism would be correct, calling yourself communist and yet not adhering to the communist ideology? it is not difficult to see the error in your argument that communism is bad. As for Islam, i despise all religions equally...but in saying that i know many Muslims who are boring average people just like the rest of us and want the same simple things in life.

Islam, as a religion, is being used to fuel a war against non-believers. If they had kept it to within their own boarders, then, meh, let them kill each other. But they want to kill everyone else that isn't like them.

The western world, with it's freedoms, technology, easier lifestyle, is an anathema to many who worship allah. So they try to wipe out any civilization that is against their teachings.

Providing a democracy to areas that have a strong muslim faith is an attempt to bridge the two polar beliefs. Western world stuff and islam.

Anyway, that's just my take on it.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Actually, 820 Egyptians favored stoning.

he was arrested and convicted of armed robbery after robbing three shops in Kansas City and then stealing a car at gunpoint with some friends

Your namesake is a song by a criminal (Chuck Berry) that the western world idolizes. Why are his crimes dismissed for his entertainment value?

Let me make sure I understand your logic here. Islam is bad because they punish criminals. Christianity is ok because we let the entertainers go without punishment?

Weird.

Originally posted by zroth

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Actually, 820 Egyptians favored stoning.

he was arrested and convicted of armed robbery after robbing three shops in Kansas City and then stealing a car at gunpoint with some friends

Your namesake is a song by a criminal (Chuck Berry) that the western world idolizes. Why are his crimes dismissed for his entertainment value?

Let me make sure I understand your logic here. Islam is bad because they punish criminals. Christianity is ok because we let the entertainers go without punishment?

Weird.

Actually, 820 Egyptians favored stoning.......................for adultery...............or suspected adultery............or alledged other unnaproved behaviour............or in this case for being a victim of RAPE!

let me try and understand your logic here....................you will twist and evade and distort all the facts and arguments to excuse Islam of every evil, because............................?????


My nom de plume is nothing to do with Chuck Berry.

84% favoured the death penalty for apostasy.................hows that working for you? ...........you think those people protesting in the streets have the slightest conception of what freedom means in a Western sense!?