Video Showing Houston Cops Beating Teen Finally Released

I'm glad the video got released.
Those cops were more than likely racist rednecks just released from the military. Pathetic

The cops are fearing a "war against cops" and they have every right to be scared. Would love to see the same video but with a reversal of positions.

I don't meen to generalize but it has been a long, long time since I have heard of a good deed by a police officer, a security guard or what ever job a persone is in a position of power such as them as done. Even in small towns I hear stuff that make the hair in the back of your neck stand on end. Then they wonder why we want to take the law in our own hands. We can't trust the cop anymore.

reply to post by PsykoOps


good cops are WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.. nothing more..

"cops pin on their courage and strap on their balls"

reply to post by The_Zomar


cops fear a war on cops the same way a bully fears a war on bullies, or at least a bully fears when noone allows anyone to be bullied..

we need an A-TEAM to go around policing the police!!! an a-team of all Mr. T's/Ba Baracus

If this happened in some rich area it would be all over the news, and probably this would have recieved over 100 posts by now I think.

Police are the LARGEST street GANG IN AMERICA, I guess NWA spoke words of wisdom in their hit "____ the police" words I most certainly agree with.

reply to post by Naptown317


The problem with police in America?

Everyone gives them license to do as they please because they believe in the ridiculous ideal of the wholly benevolent police-officer. If more people complained instead of saying 'well then, the [unconvicted] criminal got what they deserve' then perhaps police would be a bit more in their place like back here in the UK.

reply to post by Naptown317


watch this video and at the end it shows tupac backing up what you just said .

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reply to post by duality90


It's not that simple imho. Just to list few that come to mind:

1) Police dont know the people and the people dont know them. There is that us vs. them separation.
2) System doesn't punish crimes committed by police equally.
3a) There is no honor in being a good cop and making sure your fellow officers dont commit crimes.
3b) The thin blue line. Even good cops allow bad cops to do their thing. They dont want to be 'rats'.
4) Stupid laws and alot of them.
5) Media fearmongering by dwelling on the most horrible events police have to face.

This just a few I can think of from the top of my head

reply to post by PsykoOps


Absolutely disgusting from start to finish. I would like to know how the PA only sees a misdameanor charge of opression and not assault, let alone felonious assault against the officers who punched and kicked a person in their custody. As far as the attempts to not release the video, normally I would argue that its evidence of a crime, however in this case I get the impression that was not the thought process of the people responsible for the refusal.

The FBI had better be investigating the civil rights violations in this video.

Regardless of the fact the kid is accused of criminal violations, including a pursuit, nothing can justify the actions of the officers the moment the kid gave up and went to the ground. At that moment the Officers ignored their oath and crossed over from Police Officers to that of vigilante thugs. I hope these guys get their day in court and when its all said and done, enjoy a lengthy stay in a one room efficency cell.

They are a disgrace to the badge and uniform and make the rest of us look bad.

Not all Officers are like this so please do not sterotype or attribute the actions of these cowards as the norm as I can assure you its not. Bad acts make the news and good deads go unreported because its not news worthy.

The reason that our elected officials and court system does not prosecute the police is that it is the Police that keep them in Power.

Like it or not, We the People ARE at WAR with our Governmental System. The RIGHTS of the Citizen have been removed and replaced by the POLICE STATE. This was not our choice, but this is where we find ourselves today.

Almost everyday we have a incident like this Houston Police Beating. It is so widespread that we are becoming desensitized to them.

We cannot allow ourselves the luxury of apathy.

A line has been drawn in the sand, Not by WE the People, but by those who seek to oppress us. It is our Duty to resist those who by their own choice became the Enemy of the Union.

The Police have crossed that line by their actions and their inaction to fulfill their sworn promise to the People of the United States.

God be with us in our struggle against the Enemy and his minions, who choose to do harm to this Nation and its people.

“WE ARE AS MAD AS HELL AND WE WON”T STAND FOR THIS ANY MORE”

not justifying the actions of police in any way, but the lad was a criminal who also more than knowingly ran from an arrest being made towards him.
just wondering how most homeowners would have dealt with this person if caught stealing in their home beforehand.

when police give warning to stop or they will shoot, there is always consequences to be had if the assailent keeps on running. he got off lightly in this case.

Let me add an additional thought on this issue directed at our ATS Police Officer brothers.

You can read for yourself the sentiment of the ATS community, when we have a discussion on subjects like this one.

The ATS Community is a fair sampling of the general population.

The sentiment that the police have overstep their duty and have become THUGS is a widespread belief in this Nation.

Recognize This !

So, as a police officer it is obvious that Choices Must Be made.

Choose to remain in the system and work HARD each day to remedy this perception, or choose to remove yourself from a failed system. This Choice is yours and yours alone.

It would be my hope that you remained a police officer and tried to effect change from within. This will require a personal strength few are able to muster.

The Constitution is written in a form that everyone can understand. FOLLOW IT !

No matter what your orders are. FOLLOW the Constitution. You know right from wrong, you feel it in your soul.

When You are ordered to Stop & search citizens without a proper warrant - REFUSE

When You are ordered to LIMIT the Citizen’s right of Assembly - REFUSE

When your fellow officer breaks the law - ARREST

Your loyalty to the WE the PEOPLE is required.

Originally posted by redgy
not justifying the actions of police in any way, but the lad was a criminal who also more than knowingly ran from an arrest being made towards him.
just wondering how most homeowners would have dealt with this person if caught stealing in their home beforehand.

when police give warning to stop or they will shoot, there is always consequences to be had if the assailent keeps on running. he got off lightly in this case.

I can tell you its irrelevant the the kid is accused of committing a crime. At the end of the encounter, he went to the ground and surrendered. No active resitance was present, meaning their is absolutely no justification for the actions of these officers. If you are the type of person who loses self control, then you should not be in Police work period.

Even fleeing from the Police does not allow these officers to do what they did. The courts are very clear that we are to use the least amount of force neccisary, and to de-escalate as quickly and safely as possible.

There is a very fine line in an officer shooting a fleeing suspect. In Tennesse Vs Garner the Supreme Court ruled Law Enforcement cannot shoot a fleeing individual who committed a felony unless the person is armed and an immediate danger to other people. The stop or I will shoot view is a tv product, just as with every cop show you watch you see them mirandizing everyone.

Even if this guy just got done killing a family and gave up, it would not justify the actions in the video. We are to protect and serve, not catch and punish. Thats why we have an independant judicial system.

If this person ws caught inside the house, then the home owner under Texas law would have been justified in shooting the him. It becomes problematic if the homeowner chases the individual off his property and continues to engage him. I am not versed in Texas State Law but I am failry certain the law would not protect the homeowner once off the property.

Law Enforcement is held to a different standard than civilians. We must know the law (all elements of a crime) and must follow a standard. Absent restraint, training, higher standards and professionalism, our presence would be no better than the KGB.

We are to respond and investigate crimes. We are not empowered to dole out street justice.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Hey.. we agree on something. Whatdaya know.
Star.

The cops in this video are crazy out of hand.
Question.. if the kids is getting beat like crazy by a bunch of cops and he knows he should have just been cuffed by now and then gets frantic, afraid they aren't going to stop, begins to fear for his life and then jumps up takes a gun and starts shooting in self defense. Is the kid wrong?

I mean, even though the odds are very low a person could get out of that situation, isn't that what the cops are chasing here. What do you do when you have complied and are being stomped. Lay there and be killed?

reply to post by Xcathdra


thank you for your reply,
In no way is there any justification to any kind of blatent police brutality performed and do agree that what these law officers did in this case goes way over and beyond all standards in reguards to professionalism or justification of duty for those involved.

The stop or I will shoot view is a tv product, just as with every cop show you watch you see them mirandizing everyone.

sorry to disagree, but when an officer of the law repeats the same line over and over more than just one time in a row, a person wonders how long before they find a bullet flying through their back to stop them from fleeing.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


While I normally take the position of trying to explain the world of law enforcement to people who might not understand it, the actions of these officers is just beyond words and defense. I think we agree more than either of us think, we just have different ways of arriving at the answers.

To answer your question about the kid defending himself. I am going to go with no with the reason being most states do not allow a person to resist even an unlawful arrest. Now, before people try to burn me in effigy the thought process involved in that answer is this.

What is an unlawful arrest? Who determines what an unlawful arrest is?

I have had situations where I have arrested people and submitted charges, and the charges were declined. Does that mean my arrest was unlawful since technically in the end their was no criminal violation? If a cop goes to arrest a person, and that person truely believes he did not break the law, when in reality he did, does that person have a right to defend himself

Going down the hypothetical road you suggested leads us into an area where any person could make an argument of an unlawful arrest and resist in the process. As we have seen from people all over the place, civilians are not as well versed on the law, or even their own rights. If in the hypothetical the kid did manage to do that, then he would most likely be charged with a capital offense of murder.

There is a term called acting in good faith. When an officer does an investigation, and the information / evidence leads us to believe a person comitted a crime, and we arrest that person and in the end we find out we were wrong, our intent was not sinister. We were acting in good faith on the information present. Its the same when an officer in one agency alls up another aency anmd requests they detain / arrest a person. The assisting agency is acting on good faith that the info they received is accurate and supported under law.

The intententions of laws that protect law enforcement and our actions are done with the mindset that we are held to a higher standard. When we fail to meet that standard, and behave in a manner that shocks the conscious while at the same time having those laws to cover our actions, I can certainly see the other side of the argument. The system appears to be unfair, giving the illusion that law enforcement is above the law, and based on the video and actions of the op I would be hard pressed to argue that point because its exactly what it appears to be.

Making an argument of an unlawful arrest to an officer is the wrong venue to do that. We are not judicial, and as such we do not decide guilt or innocence. If we are making an arrest, then there is evidence to suggest the person we are arresting violated the law. The argument to the contrary is done in court.

Not sure if I am making sense here. If not let me know and I will try to explain it a different way.

Originally posted by redgy
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

thank you for your reply,
In no way is there any justification to any kind of blatent police brutality performed and do agree that what these law officers did in this case goes way over and beyond all standards in reguards to professionalism or justification of duty for those involved.

The stop or I will shoot view is a tv product, just as with every cop show you watch you see them mirandizing everyone.

sorry to disagree, but when an officer of the law repeats the same line over and over more than just one time in a row, a person wonders how long before they find a bullet flying through their back to stop them from fleeing.

I can tell you the stop or I will shoot bit is a tv line. Even if we do use that term, the chances the actions of the offender actually meet the requirement might not exist, making the line nothing more than a verbal bluff in an effort to get the person to comply.

Tennesse Vs. Garner is what governs our use of deadly force on a fleeing suspect an was ruled on in 1985 by the US Supreme Court.

The general rule of thumb for law enforcement is not to make a threat that you cannot back up, IE stop or I will shoot, if I get called back out here again your going to jail, make a wrong mvoe and you will get tased etc etc etc.

Sometimes verbal judo is all thats needed to descalate a situation.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Yeah but there is a huge difference between getting arrested, and getting beaten and kicked and stomped. Bogus charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer for trying to block yourself during a beaten are handed out. With that in mind, I am probably more likely to actively defend myself against an attack by an cop, rather than laying there and trying to block myself, then getting charged as if I did knock the cop out.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Actually I wanted to add that with a pursuit, and the area it occured in, there is going to be a supervisor present. A supervisor, Senior Officer or other officers present should have stopped the actions of the officers using force.

As many problems as its most likely going to cause, it should have been done. Its not what we are suppose to be. If an an officer takes actions that are blantantly beyond the line, and then gets pissed that another officer has called him out in an effort to stop those actions, then he has absolutely no business being in this profession at all.

The actions thmeselves, in addition to the reaction to other officers should be a red flag.