Some fins up! 100,000 sharks mass off Florida's beaches

reply to post by Adamanteus


First off bull s. It is a known fact they discard shark. Why do commercial fisherman who troll giant nets throw away the fish they are not fishing for? All that protein gone to waste.

Secondly, if your boat only holds x amount and it's either fins that bring more money that's what they will fish.

Third do you remember what happened in new England whenthere were no rules for commercial fisherman? Near extinction.

The conservation methods have worked wonderfully. I am a proud member of the CCA even when it was the GCCA. Thanks to commercial overfishing anglers like me are severly restricted on what I can bring home. Fine with me. But companies like Tyson sub out to giant factory boats that process on the water and throw out plenty of protein.

The conservation acts have all been pretty well Studied and the rates of fishing are directly correlated to spawning.

If left to commercial fisherman it is a well established fact overfishing is done. Even in the us. Look at Atlantic COD.

Originally posted by Movescamp
reply to post by Adamanteus

 

First off bull s. It is a known fact they discard shark. Why do commercial fisherman who troll giant nets throw away the fish they are not fishing for? All that protein gone to waste.

Secondly, if your boat only holds x amount and it's either fins that bring more money that's what they will fish.

Third do you remember what happened in new England whenthere were no rules for commercial fisherman? Near extinction.

The conservation methods have worked wonderfully. I am a proud member of the CCA even when it was the GCCA. Thanks to commercial overfishing anglers like me are severly restricted on what I can bring home. Fine with me. But companies like Tyson sub out to giant factory boats that process on the water and throw out plenty of protein.

The conservation acts have all been pretty well Studied and the rates of fishing are directly correlated to spawning.

If left to commercial fisherman it is a well established fact overfishing is done. Even in the us. Look at Atlantic COD.

Your admittance of being a member of CCA proves that your agenda is biased. The CCA and all sportfishing organizations think They have more right to fish than people who live in say the Midwestern states. You Don't. Those fish are in Federal waters and those landlocked states have just as much right to the fish in those waters as you do.The only way to get those fish to them are by "Commercial" fisherman.

You obviously have no clue about what you're talking about on finning. How small of a boat do you think people use for shark fishing and how much space do you think fins take up?

I never said Commercial fishermen shouldn't be regulated. Did I? I just stated that the practice of finning is propaganda.

We were regulated for years with a 4000 lb trip limit on sharks with a 5% total weight to fin ration which =200lbs of fins.

The average vessel that was permitted for sharks had a hold capacity of 6,000 lbs (the one I worked on had a hold capacity of 20k lbs)

At the time the average price of fins was 28 USD per lb. 200x28=$5600
At the time the meat price was .50 per lb 4000x.50=$2000
The fine for bringing in 10% over weight was $10,000
The fine for finning was loss of fins plus fines and possible imprisonment.
so why would someone throw away a product that they had plenty of room for with space to spare,and risk imprisonment also?

the practice of finning makes no economical sense whatsoever as a business plan.

Do you know how many "sport fisherman" approached myself or the owner of the boat trying to sell us fins that they had removed from sharks? No you don't and neither do I because there were so many I lost count.

Caspian Beach off Venice, Florida is one of the rare few places on Earth where you can find hand fulls of sharks teeth in an hour. I went there in 1973, my grandparents retired to Venice, and as a small child I picked up two dozen teeth in a half hour. I took my children back this past month and the teeth were still there. My son found a larger one that was two inches. Obviously the sharks have been there in large numbers for millions of years.
Maybe they migrate there in the winter and have babies?

reply to post by Adamanteus


B.s. Yes i admit I am an angler. The CCA has made huge differences in the revitalization of the gulf coast fisheries. Lack of regulation by commercial fisherman actually decimated fisheries especially on the east coast

Finning happens. You are the ignorant one here.

vimeo.com...#/13416490

m.youtube.com...#/watch?v=bfxvfBONcWQ

I know there is plenty of propaganda but that doesnt make it not true.

Over fishing happens too and it is these regulations which correspond directly to spawning that makes healthy fisheries.

Sharks are so prevalent in the ocean you probably should never swim in it. At Isle of Palms, South Carolina my husband was fishing at five p.m. and a shark swam horizontally in from of us in the 1 1/2 foot tide! The shark was
five to six feet long! We were standing above the water line and I started jumping up and down yelling shark!
I was only eight or so feet away! It was a startling experience! I guess they have no problems launching themselves onto the beach.

Some smart rules to go by are: Don't swim after 4:00 p.m., don't wear yumm yumm yellow swim suits, don't wear metal sparkly jewlery (fishing lure), don't swim while menstrating, don't swim near where they are fishing
(sharks love squid and other bait they can smell it in the water), don't swim after dark ( they hunt at night and can see high contrasts)... I am sure I probably missed a rule or two. But these are a few good ones to go by.

Originally posted by Movescamp
reply to post by Adamanteus

 

B.s. Yes i admit I am an angler. The CCA has made huge differences in the revitalization of the gulf coast fisheries. Lack of regulation by commercial fisherman actually decimated fisheries especially on the east coast

Finning happens. You are the ignorant one here.

vimeo.com...#/13416490

m.youtube.com...#/watch?v=bfxvfBONcWQ

I know there is plenty of propaganda but that doesnt make it not true.

Over fishing happens too and it is these regulations which correspond directly to spawning that makes healthy fisheries.

It does happen I agree but usually in 3rd world countries and the propaganda used is making people think that it happens here in the U.S.(the most heavily regulated fishermen in the world)

We have Vessel monitoring Systems on almost all vessels now. They know in real time where we are fishing an when we come into port so they can be waiting dockside to inspect us if they so choose. We are NOT the Poachers/criminals/pirates that they make us out to be. Breaking Fishing Laws is too risky and too restricted for it to be profitable

It's all a Govt/Big Business Consipracy in my mind.

Put the small farmer out of business- Check
Put theCommercial Fisherman out of business- We're getting close Boss

When You control the food then You control the people!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


hmmmm..... so i see the 'daily mail' is good for something then and not just some 'racist' parer everyone keeps saying it is....

'cough' 'cough'

As for the sharks, i feel they are trying to tell us/you something.... something which is possibly going to happen soon like an Earthquake or Volcanic eruption.... don't forget animals have some kind of sixth sense when it comes to disasters!!!

Flagged!

reply to post by Adamanteus


I understand your frustration. I agree with you mostly. I think Japan in particular likes to look the other way on illegal fishing. Look at their whaling industry.

I never said it happened in the us. We have huge restrictions I know. Sharks being migratory however need to be protected here since we can't in say brazil.

Yes the food production control mechanism is ridiculous. Smaller fisherman and farmers can't compete with massive companies like Tyson foods. Nor do you have the bribe power.

Originally posted by Adamanteus

I never said Commercial fishermen shouldn't be regulated. Did I? I just stated that the practice of finning is propaganda.

Again I refer you to Rob Stewart's documentary Sharkwater. www.sharkwater.com...
There is plenty of video evidence in that movie to make a powerful case that 'finning' is very real, not propoganda as you wish us to believe.

The film won 31 international awards.

Directly from his website:

What is Shark Finning?

* Shark finning refers to the removal and retention of shark fins and the discard at sea of the carcass. The shark is most often still alive when it is tossed back into the water. Unable to swim, the shark slowly sinks toward the bottom where it is eaten alive by other fish.
* Shark finning takes place at sea so the fishers have only the fins to transport. Shark meat is considered low value and therefore not worth the cost of transporting the bulky shark bodies to market.
* Any shark is taken-regardless of age, size, or species.
* Longlines, used in shark finning operations, are the most significant cause of losses in shark populations worldwide.
* Shark finning is widespread, and largely unmanaged and unmonitored.
* Shark finning has increased over the past decade due to the increasing demand for shark fins (for shark fin soup and traditional cures), improved fishing technology, and improved market economics.
* Shark specialists estimate that 100 million sharks are killed for their fins, annually.
* One pound of dried shark fin can retail for $300 or more. It's a multi-billion dollar industry.

There is plenty more info there:
www.sharkwater.com...

Am I the only one who has spotted the pilots name? Steve Irwin? What a coincidence....

good day for sara palin and obama to take a dip hmmm??

Originally posted by frugal
Maybe they migrate there in the winter and have babies?

...could be... the mississippi sound (where the river dumps into the gulf) is a natural shark nursery (bulls, hammerheads and spinners mostly) and thats not so far away from venice, if you're a shark, lol...

I stated that it does happen in a previous post. I also stated that it predominately happens in 3rd world countries!
Rape,murder,mutilation and torture of Humans also happen in 3rd world countries which has no effect on the people of developed nations other than emotional.

the equipment used by the people in 3rd world countries hampers their effectiveness to really do damage on the shark populations. I mean how much damage can one do with a hand hewn boat and a 30 year old motor on it's last legs?

The Japanese are another story with their factory ships but good luck if you think you can stop the Japanese from doing anything when it comes to fishing if they don't want to. they still whale and tell the International Whaling Commision that not only are they not going to reduce their whale take but increase it.

My Beef is that the media shows these videos to people who rally behind the cause and make un needed laws (in developed countries) on fish stocks that're not depleted and where the practice of finning is non existent.

If people wanted to really stop these practices they would petition to have trade embargoes enacted on seafood originating from any country that still allows this practice but guess what? it's not going to happen because the NMFS receives a kickback on every lb of fish that is imported into this country and I know that one of the council members on the South Atlantic Fisheries Council is a partner in the biggest fish import business in the south east. Our Government is profiting from them so they allow them to continue.

So I maintain it is Emotional Propganda to encite the masses to restrict our production which will call for more imports to line the bankers pockets. Am I off my rocker and paranoid? Maybe, but it is plausible.

Originally posted by RogerT

Originally posted by Adamanteus

I never said Commercial fishermen shouldn't be regulated. Did I? I just stated that the practice of finning is propaganda.

Again I refer you to Rob Stewart's documentary Sharkwater. www.sharkwater.com...
There is plenty of video evidence in that movie to make a powerful case that 'finning' is very real, not propoganda as you wish us to believe.

The film won 31 international awards.

Directly from his website:

What is Shark Finning?

* Shark finning refers to the removal and retention of shark fins and the discard at sea of the carcass. The shark is most often still alive when it is tossed back into the water. Unable to swim, the shark slowly sinks toward the bottom where it is eaten alive by other fish.
* Shark finning takes place at sea so the fishers have only the fins to transport. Shark meat is considered low value and therefore not worth the cost of transporting the bulky shark bodies to market.
* Any shark is taken-regardless of age, size, or species.
* Longlines, used in shark finning operations, are the most significant cause of losses in shark populations worldwide.
* Shark finning is widespread, and largely unmanaged and unmonitored.
* Shark finning has increased over the past decade due to the increasing demand for shark fins (for shark fin soup and traditional cures), improved fishing technology, and improved market economics.
* Shark specialists estimate that 100 million sharks are killed for their fins, annually.
* One pound of dried shark fin can retail for $300 or more. It's a multi-billion dollar industry.

There is plenty more info there:
www.sharkwater.com...

This has got to do with something about earth's magnetics again. They just redid the lines at the one Florida airport and now 100k sharks are gathered in Florida.

Wow, I never really believed the whole pole shift thing, but we're starting to see some events that support this theory.

Good luck to all of you.

Originally posted by works4dhs

Originally posted by Adamanteus

Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Don't tell the Japs, It will make an awefull lot of Sharks Fin Soup. And they'll leave the Ocean floor full of live shark bodies.

Another case of misinformation by the mass media to get the people to back their cause.

The Japanese are an island nation that lives mainly on fish ,why would they discard an edible source of protein? When I was Shark Fishing the meat accounted for 1/3 of our profits. Why on Earth would someone discard a perfectly marketable product?

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I have no problem wi harvesting marine life for human food, but the thought of killing a shark just for a fin and discarding the rest, esp if it's an endangered species, is a bit much. some poachers will kill a rhino just for it's horn and leave the carcass to rot. are these shark fins and rhino horns that valuable?

They only take the Fins, the cost of the Fins out weights the cost of the remaining fish. Worthless by comparison. The cost of High Quality bowl of shark Fin soup is in the 3 figures

However it's not just the Japs, also Chins and Indo's

Believe it or Not

Originally posted by TechVampyre
reply to post by jaynkeel

 

it is north to south. Why would they go south to north if it is cold north?

Corexit, perhaps??