UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

reply to post by NeCedeMalis



It was posted on a website called "unexplained mysteries" as mentioned in the original thread now in the hoax section. Turns out one of the users that trolls frequently on that site allegedly posed as "eligael" but was caught when they logged his ip. The thread was deleted so maybe if you ask the moderators they can explain better then i can.

www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

Time for bed. I have just watched the 4th video again several times. There all all sorts of permutations on Youtube right now. The one I was watching had several closeups. I'm sure you can all see as well as I can that the light which is seemingly reflected on to the dome irises down in what appears to be seamless response to the movement of the 'craft'. I know it has been suggested that the dome remains too dark after the thing leaves. Not so for me. I call real for the time being. I hope to catch up with you all tomorrow. Thank you for an educational and most of all entertaining few days so far..
J.

reply to post by NeCedeMalis

that is the one on YT, him and 3 others, there are others that posted the same time but it all comes back to the 4 that posted on the 29-30 the rest of the videos are from the feb1 till now, it is not that hard to trace back to the first video poster. the 3 other videos are on YT as well. by the original poster not some 2nd 20th redone rescanned , or edited version.

Joined to make this post about the piss party video. I hope I'll lose interest soon because it's eating up my work hours.

Anyway, I grew up in Jerusalem and I know the city and culture very well. The accent, body language, slang and general joking around are typical of the stuff I had to put up with in high school. I'd say they probably go to high school in the north of the city, around French Hill, Pisgat Ze'ev or Ramot (which is where I lived). It also makes sense they went to a birthday party in Mount Scopus which is right near French Hill.

I can confirm what the other Jerusalemite said on the other thread, that the angles of videos 1,2 (from Haas Promenade in Armon HaNatsiv) and this one in Mt. Scopus make sense. I recognize both locations.

If they are actors, they're doing a very good impression of the north J-lem accent, and that's not an accent you get much in acting schools, which are mostly in Tel Aviv. I also don't see how a specific accent would be relevant to UFO hoaxters. But this is just speculation which could be influenced by my class/race bias on what types I think go to acting school.

Anyway here's a transcript of the dialog in the sighting video. I might've gotten their names wrong but that doesn't really matter.

Yuli [the girl]
are you filming?

Dor [driver]
what's that--

Yuli
do you see?

Dor
I can see, what's that?

guy4
say, did we drink too much?

Dor
no no--

Yuli
no no we're all seeing this!

Dor
--what's that?

guy4
[unintelligible, something with 'eyes']

Yuli
shyo!

everyone
yo!!!!

Michael [drunk russian pee guy]
[russian cussing] rod, blat!

Dor
what's that!

Yuli
what's that! mommy! [childish slang for "I'm scared"]

Dor
[breathes heavily] what's that, did you see that?!

Michael
[more russian] yo banivrot.

guy4
did you see that?

Yuli
look there's more there.

Dor
look-look-look over there! what's that!

Girl
mommy, Dor…mommy…

Michael
[drunken nonsense] Judaism, what's this…. it's symbols!…it's…

[silent pause]

Dor
yo, this is not real…

[silence]

Michael
[russian cussing] - Piz dietz..

Dor
[echoing himself] what's that, did you see that…

Girl
mommy…

Dor
what's that….

Originally posted by NeCedeMalis
Hello i am eliyahu, the person who originally uploaded the jerusalem ufo video
Myself and my friend filmed in the early hours of saturday morning (between 1 and 5 past 1am to be exact) a shining huge orb like object which hovered for about 10 minutes, when we filmed it, it seemed to only about 30 seconds later descend above the temple mount where the western wall is on one side, the dome of the rock the other -

both amongst the most sacred places in the world for islam and judaism, it hovered there for less than ten seconds before emitting a flash on the ground underneath,

and shooting up directly at the speed of light. after this, there was a load of spinning red lights in the sky, flickering ferociously at each other, this lasted about 30 seconds.

While many are looking at the action above ground, what is actually happening UNDERGROUND, where the emission of a flash occurred?

Many had claimed there are caverns underneath the mounds. Was that beam of light to vaporise records/evidences left there or to cause the caverns to collapse altogether?

A coordinated search into the caverns may yield better proof and evidences of the happenings above ground.

Originally posted by Frater210
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

OK. I just watched it again. I am listening to it finish. I have been in the military. The paratroops (82nd) incidentally. I can't believe the things that people see and register as flares. I believe the young man in the video when he says that it was not a flare. He could be mistaken about the aircraft and of course I have no way of knowing for sure from the video. But it sure looks an awful lot like the thing in Jerusalem. So do you think that what we are seeing is lights out, afterburners on?

I personally don't see what happened in Jerusalem happening in Utah. But of course I can see why people would have to include the two at least in looking for suspects in the line up.

Similarities Both have red lights (multiple), both have a white light (single), in both caes white light drops from sky. In both cases it is night time. And in both cases we see the words "UFO" attached.

Differences White light falls differently IMHO and seems to flicker. Witnesses are very clear to describe a burning "firework type of object" falling. The Juraususalem object in all videos seems solid and not burning/sparking/fizzling like a firework would or like I seem to see in the Utah Vid. The red lights do not flash after the light rises, they instead come on first and then (by witnesses words) "drop" something. The light also dosnt jump back up, nor do the red lights start doing the disco. The woman at the end is clear to say they were steady nonblinking lights.

My thoughts on that? The Utah one looks creditable and the Jerusalem one- as you already know- is a thing I believe has already been proven to be a hoax. I am one of the posters that agrees with Hoaxkiller's parallax reasoning and a firm believer that the laws of perspective are broken in the first two clips of this case (if so, proven hoax due to the fact that all viewable objects must obey these laws).

I say I think its military in Utah because it looks terrestrial. Looks almost like all the flare drops I've seen on other films about UFOs except with less smoke being highlighted by the burning of the flare. I see no smoke in the Utah light that drops in fact.

If not military...I suspect some manmade thing created to either hoax people or to hurt people.

But I "can" speculate that if it was military, and it was captured on film- it may be worth a few extra bucks to pay some young kids to whip up some UFO clips to confuse the public.

Or "more likely" the UFO clips are hoaxer material or 4chan at it again. Since I am convinced with the standing evidence that the first clip is fake- I can only guess it was to get Luz, money or attention. Or all three.

Utah? Dunno. Not enough evidence.

MM

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


If that guy was posing as the original uploader, I'm impressed. It definitely rang true to me. Trolls will be trolls, I guess. I'd like to see the IP evidence that called him out.

Originally posted by Jaylemite

Thanks for the translation and for the background on their accents and which areas they are likely to frequent in Jerusalem - very useful information.

Now why are there two competing threads on this subject?

1 here and one under review within [HOAX]?

Is this the closest we'll get to a sorry about moving the other one and understanding that the case is indeed still open?

Only asking in the name of understanding and denying ignorance.

-m0r

reply to post by NeCedeMalis



Allegedly the troll's name is Elliot. I suppose you could go to the forum and ask a moderator or some members. The thread was deleted however he referred to himself as an alien embryo? He after making that post he began making odd statement like "are you familiar with the Paledians" and things like that. The thread was deleted so im sure for good reason

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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so has any of the supposed camramen to this event submitted the original raw footage to prove it hasn't been tampered with?

reply to post by m0r1arty


Welcome to the thread m0rry!

The yellow gem works.


MM

I'm glad this topic returned back from the HOAX setion.

Though a skeptic I have to admit that I'm impressed with the footage and tend to believe it's real. As I saw the discussion about this event went into the hoax section I was kind of upset because in my opinion at this time nobody can for sure say it's real or a hoax.

I didn't catch why the video seems to be connected with a proven hoaxer in the first place, maybe someone can clear that up for me. Does the hoaxer have any connections to the filming guys in the videos ?

As for another fact I don't think (if real) that any man made (black op) machine/technology and materials is/are capable of such speed. just my 2 cents....

It's funny that the video I posted wasnt included in the first post. It clearly shows that the audio from video 2 was doctored. I don't see why people are choosing to ignore this FACT. To quote

Mr Mask in thread opening post

Both clip one and clip two are submitted as connected pieces of evidence and without them there can be no real discussion of this event. These are the first clips to be released of this UFO.

Yet Video 2 is FAKE. Why is this thread even started again? Theres nothing TO BE SKEPTICAL ABOUT. There isn't a "small chance" "must be a logical explanation" "teenage mutant ninja turtles", nothing. There no chance in hell the inconsistency are caused by ANYTHING ELSE other than INTENTIONAL edits. This is a undeniable FACT, not quantum mechanics, not something you really need a IQ higher than 60 to understand the information I have given.

I don't understand the blatant refusal of this information. Do ya'll WANT to believe that these event's are real, regardless of facts that prove otherwise?

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


Hmm. Just because he went all nutty doesn't mean he's a fraud. I would probably start questioning my belief in Plaeadians and alien embryos and the like, too, if I had just filmed what he allegedly had. I guess it comes down to the IP address. The guy would have to be posting from a unique address, either from Israel or UK (where he says he currently resides).

This is an amazing thread sequence. When looking at one of the original threads a day or more ago I assumed they would immediately have an explanation and not have so many varying opinions. It is great to see ATS allowing it's members to continue discussing this.

After reading this thread it seems that the Utah event is holding much more water as a 'real' event and the Jerusalem event is much easier to speculate on.

The events occured relatively close to each other, in time. I usually don't speculate about 'Project BlueBem' or what technology might be used to perpetrate such an idea. However, is it possible that the Utah incident was real and a type of technology was used to try and simulate what was seen in Utah?

Could they be doing such a thing in a different part of the world to guage different culture's response to this?

It may seem far out to think something like this could be done, but maybe it has been.

Maybe those who believe this event was real and those who believe it was not are both correct. Real, in that you could physically witness the event, but unreal, as it was simulated by some type of technolgy?

Originally posted by DeboWilliams
It's funny that the video I posted wasnt included in the first post. It clearly shows that the audio from video 2 was doctored. I don't see why people are choosing to ignore this FACT.

Can you post the video again please?

I have a gut feeling that all of this is going to a viral advert for one of the at least 11, yes 11! alien/UFO filmes out this year....

Heres a few of them coming out I found

skyline: (out just last year)
www.youtube.com...

battle LA:
www.youtube.com...

area51:
www.youtube.com...

unaware:
www.youtube.com...

super8:
www.youtube.com...

apollo18:
www.apollo18movie.net...

paul:
www.youtube.com...

mars needs moms:
www.youtube.com...

cow boys and aliens:
www.youtube.com...

UFO the movie:
ufo-themovie.com...

reply to post by roughycannon


Possibly, do you know any of the upcoming movies that have possible religious undertones to them. Possibly any of them based in Jerusalem or another similar area?

I took my post from the other thread and put it here, since I don't want this information to get lost or ignored because it was just a link.



The audio in 1 and 2 are the exact same audio, except the audio in the 2nd has had the volumes tampered with to make it seem like it's from HIS camera (make the main guy sound like he's far away and the other guy sound closer to the mic).

Don't believe me? listen yourself

what your listening for is after they both go "woah, woah". Actor A (guy filming video 1) makes a sound like hes saying sh!$ & laughing at the same time, so it comes out kinda like "chh"

I will show you visually how it will sound, and how the sounds overlap eachother, I'll also use caps to show you the volume aswell



in video 1 it goes like this (this is the bottom mp3 file shown in MY video)

CHHH....CHH (actor A)
.............dae dae dAE! (actor B)

since actor A is closer to his mic than actor B is to actors A mic, the words (dae dae dae) will sound distant, and his "chhh" sound will sound loud and close.

in video 2 it goes like this (this is the top mp3 file shown in my video)

CHH (actor A)
dae dae dAE! (actor B)

the 2 "CHH" sounds was basically at the same volume in video 1, in video 2 you can faintly hear "chh" very softly, but when you hear "dae dae dAE" you hear CHH louder than the words that actor B is saying. Only way this would be possible in video 2 is if actor A was standing right infront of actor B and was closer to the mic than actor B, which clearly we know hes a good 8 feet or so BEHIND him, so why is his little sound FX louder in actor B's camera, than actor B himself? because adjusted the audio levels of the track ignorantly.

You can also tell they messed with it by listening to the second video, when they both go woah, woah. It looks like this

Video 1

WOAH (actor A)
woah! (actor B)

Video 2
woah (actor A)
WOAH! (actor B)

they adjusted to volumes to make it sound like one was far away from the mic and 1 was close. In video 2 this mistake is evident because when the second woah (remember actor B is filming video 2) that's coming from actor B, you can also hear the background noise increase as well, because you cant increase his woah without also increasing the background noise (hiss) also.

Video 1 56 secs
Video 2 40 secs

you can see the unnecessary audio spike here, where they increased the volume.


Bottom line, they're amateurs and they didn't think it through completely. I hope they don't go to school for these trades (audio engineering, VFX) because if they do, they just made my day better, knowing that without formal training, I was able to catch them.


What pisses me off is that they clearly went extremely out of their way to hoax this. It's crap like that's the reason why whenever there is a UFO story on CNN or your local news, the newscasters always got some spiffy jokes to say when they present the footages.

Originally posted by yeti101
so has any of the supposed camramen to this event submitted the original raw footage to prove it hasn't been tampered with?

No nor have they talked to press or anyone associated with UFO research either. This is the same thing that happened with the Moscow Pyramid CGI hoax featured on the same site. This is my biggest problem they are acting very suspect.