UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

Here is the shopping list for a more sober, objective and scientific oversight.

All conclusions previous to this will fail to address a determination , you will see for obvious reasons.

Data Base:

1. Names, identities, occupations of witnesses, camera or videographer person.
a. Statements, drawings, recitations of event by said individual with necessary details.
b. Confirmation of their location by other witnesses, if possible.
c. Special medical conditions, eyes (Glasses. Contacts) or other related problems, anxiety or prescribed drugs for any conditions that might explain camera movement extremes, heart rates etc.

2. Make, model and type of camera/s used, including any augmentations (special lens, firmware vers. etc.)

3. Original file/s made by camera. No conversions to other formats. Must be native codec.
a. Exif Data must be intact on the video file and un-tampered with.
b.Video processing software, version#. (features, output file conversions and effects available to standard user.) Platform Mac/PC /other versions of software used.

4. Locations (GPS/ LON/LAT, ALT).
a. Why was the person there?
b. How long?
c. Duration and placement of event, i.e. how long at that location before claimed event transpired?
d. Timeline for all events and individuals.

All ORIGINAL videos need be scrutinized initially or no determinations can be actually be made.


Logical Registers:

All videos must exhibit similar errors, or this indicates either two things:

1. Anomalies in particular video cameras, software and processing account for seeming CGI or other accidental or incidental effects.

2. Isolated fabrications. Or, if each video was faked. (not likely for the exact timings and event sync’s unless copied, adding generational errors and anomalies from software relationships and compounding.)

Other Possible Factors.

1. Faked versions do not negate other videos unless unique instances of CGI of tampering from original file are noted. Lack of Exif data, questionable or false identity and/or statements from camera person/witness are negative factors in authentication of video file candidate.

2. Counter intelligence methods of clouding incident with fabricated versions that can be proven false, effectively souring opinions and casting doubts on all data. (Mass opinions are very easily controlled in this way.)

3. Field operatives who’s job it is to interact in public forums, influential chat and discussions to inject doubts and cause dysfunctional discourse through divisive methods of angering and insulting, while avoiding factual discussions, and adding bogus or fabricated information, dubious logic and driving people to links by other field operatives creating fabricated media, so plausible deniability can be maintained by original posting operative.

4. Official or unofficial confiscation of original documents/files through coercion, threats or monetary contracts.

5. News agencies and public information compromised by editorial or standing management policy, as dictated by higher managements associated with parent corporations and “owner/s” who also share interest in military contractors, manufacturing, media and news corporations, lobbyists or even acting officers and officials for many large governments.

Here is an analogy for this counter intelligence method.

A basket of ripe, perfect apples. Place a few “bad” apples, with bruises, worms, mold directly on top, or mix into the basket towards the top where the shopping person views and decides whether the apple is of good or of a safe enough quality. Place this basket next to other fruit of good quality, easily seen then as a choice to consume as alternates to the apples.

Observe behavior.

Most, if not all the people will avoid the “infected” basket, otherwise not willing to take the time to go through it to see what good fruit could be isolated and consumed. Other baskets are easier to shop from, avoiding the work. These people who saw and rejected the apples in fact might be inclined to have an opinion for their cursory decision to not take from the basket, and pass that opinion on to others, satisfied they “saw” the bad apples and made the easy assumption the remainder of the basket had bad fruit.

This is a very easy method to control information and has been used for many years in many ways by intelligence communities. Remember, the tabloid paper The Inquirer” was funded by CIA, also Ms. Magazine in order to control movements in culture and media and cast either doubt or false empowerment. Whole news corporations are now controlled. Cable, print, web…. (BTW) Huffington is now owned by AOL, who is owned by..../ GO SEE


There are many things we cannot find evidence or “proof” of. But millions of lives and their direct experiences have told us otherwise.

Here is an interesting article in (of all places) Huffington post.
Why Death Is Not The End Of Existence


Life after death is a biggie.

Did you know that even Ramond Moody Ph.D, M.D, M.A. B.A. Wikipedia Link
who coined the term NDE, has formally researched the death and dying of thousands, has written several papers, books and articles on this and related subjects for over 30 years still to this day says he is not sure there is life after death?

Reality can only be experienced. The act of trying to prove anything is essentially useless at certain levels.

Many of us know for a fact that we are in contact with other off-world species,. We have seen their persons or their craft and technology first hand. Corroborated in many cases by others present or in large groups also.

The propensity of evidence also clearly shows this is true, if one takes the time to study and discuss with other intelligent people, experiencers or not. Some very smart people believe, and have never experienced any UFO/Alien event.

Documents exists from multiple governments files (See Clifford Stones and John Greenwald Jr. FOIA libraries) that show clearly this is a true and proven fact. Alien civilizations, their species and technologies are here. Now.

So, it is not hard to believe such an event as this Jerusalem sighting and resulting videos could have actually happened. Especially in these times when world political, environmental, astronomical events are building to a critical mass.

This is why we owe it to ourselves to go carefully through the apple basket, account for the “infections” of counter intelligence, bad science and emotionally driven opinions to more clearly see and understand the messages these very possible events afford us.

Because, if this was some kind of message to our world, or even a segment of the local middle eastern population, we could have missed an important opportunity to appropriately respond or take the information to an important conclusion we would benefit from. But we may have unfortunately thrown out the good apples with the bad.

Here’s a test to see how much you actually trust ATS community.

If your life was dependant on the people here deciding whether to convict you of a crime that would put you to death immediately, but having no evidence either for or against, just what they can ferret out of the web, Google, YouTube, Vimeo and blogosphere. Would you accept their judgment? Well, would you?

I bet you might want better standards of evidence. Right?

After all this I say I am still on the fence. Do you see why?

Have a nice Planetary Rotational Unit.

ZG

Originally posted by Abductee001
Has anyone got a timeline of the event?

The first post of this thread states "On Jan 28th This first clip appeared on Youtube"

Then on page 4 we see from unexplaind mysteries.com
"Hello i am eliyahu, the person who originally uploaded the jerusalem ufo video
youtube.com/user/eligael
Myself and my friend filmed in the early hours of saturday morning (between 1 and 5 past 1am to be exact)"

This would be 01:05 on the 29th

So now time travel is also involved

Can anyone explain this???

Looking at the guy's youtube channel it looks like it was the 29th when it was uploaded, so i assume there was a mistake in the first post of this thread.
Therefore the video from the weather station we are all looking at is wrong! we need video from the 29th not the 28th.
CAN ANYONE GET THE WEATHER CAM VIDEO FOR THE 29th???? PLEASE!!!
i've tried myself but it won't work for me
02ws.com

reply to post by Springer


Quote by Springer,

"Personally, I think this thread has been pretty good with regards to civility over a hot topic, compared to the rest of the internet at least (go read YouTube comments for an example), but still we have had "true believers" slagging the very people who are trying to help them avoid believing in something false. It's understandable that the skeptics get frustrated when they have explained the same thing several times but, because of a lack of knowledge, deep seated beliefs it's not accepted or, worse yet, they get accused of some ulterior motive."

That simply is not true, there is persistant slagging, and a lot from those who you might put in the debunk camp, not necessarily from those who have done sterling work, but from people who pounce on every word or nuance from someone who has other ideas. That has been allowed to the extent that every line is quoted and replied to with a put down...without real substance. There are also details re the video that people have mentioned, that have not been addressed, and those people who asked about that were looking to the "experts" for possible answers, do you not get that? I know any forum is not a democracy, but then what is? I KNOW you are not singling out Hoop' but by god, he has got some tenacity in what he believes, and somehow I think, he like me, find there is less to do with the merit or otherwise of the story, but more of an anxiety to put it to bed, regardless of anything that some posters have earnestly asked about. BTW, from a personal view, do you realise I had to trim your post in reply, otherwise it would have been to large a quote.

reply to post by ZeroGhost


Hi Zero,
Have to agree with most of it, (can't quote all that) maybe impossible all under one roof though. The court of law, you mentioned that elsewhere, could be a bit more lax in circumstance.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by hootlj
Cripes how did we miss this hoax addition - www.youtube.com...

That's the "original" full length footage of "video four," which was apparently removed from the original hoaxer's YouTube account a couple days ago. Thanks for posting that, it represents the "nail in the coffin" of this hoax, and clearly shows the temple mount footage was not shot by the same camera used within the vehicle.

(removed interlacing comparisons for a more detailed analysis... more coming soon)

edit on 10-2-2011 by SkepticOverlord because: (no reason given)

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That's a bit naughty!
You show a shot out of the back window of a car that 4 people have been travelling in at 1o'Clock in the morning?
You might call that light pollution, i'd say the back window is more than likely misted! see this pic of the side window... Clearly misted. Sorry but that final nail is working loose
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a428cedb215a.png[/atsimg]

GUYS ! I've been talking to you about the web cam footage this whole time.

The original poster uploaded the WRONG DATE. When I went to look at the original footage, I could watch it. Didn't know at time it was WRONG DATE. Someone who analyzed other web cam videos at time said he saw same orb pop up randomly at night for a few days but no days before late Jan.

Later on, I realized it was wrong date. I went to look at old web cam videos. Wouldn't load.

Originally posted by hootlj
GUYS ! I've been talking to you about the web cam footage this whole time.

The original poster uploaded the WRONG DATE. When I went to look at the original footage, I could watch it. Didn't know at time it was WRONG DATE. Someone who analyzed other web cam videos at time said he saw same orb pop up randomly at night for a few days but no days before late Jan.

Later on, I realized it was wrong date. I went to look at old web cam videos. Wouldn't load.

We need the video from the 29th! strange that a few frames are missing from the 28th eh!

ZeroGhost

and thank you for that breath of fresh air

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by ZeroGhost

 

Hi Zero,
Have to agree with most of it, (can't quote all that) maybe impossible all under one roof though. The court of law, you mentioned that elsewhere, could be a bit more lax in circumstance.

Agreed. And, thanks.

How many wrongly accused people have been executed due to "lax" standards of process?

Certainty, is not certain.

You can't bring back a life that was destroyed by an error of the system. We did however see this thread resurrected from the acid bath of the dreaded HOAX thread of SHAME.

Justice is alive at ATS.


ZG

And let's add this to the list of funky coincidences

www.planet-flipside.com...

reply to post by hootlj


Please let's not bring the baby into this
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d64426098ee9.jpg[/atsimg]

And yeah right the media hasn't gotten its slanted point across:

"The videos of the UFO descending directly above the Dome made international headlines with most observers agreeing that they were in fact viral advertising for the forthcoming 'Battle of LA' feature film"

reply to post by hootlj


OT the Agency have promised to show themselves over the Whitehouse 12th/13th

New thread idea! haha pindz.blogspot.com... %28UFO+Alien+Conspiracy+and+Other+Top+Secret+Videos%29&utm_content=Twitter

Originally posted by hootlj
And let's add this to the list of funky coincidences

www.planet-flipside.com...

That blog points out the image used for the fake,"still"

upload.wikimedia.org...

Good old Wiki!

Originally posted by Abductee001
reply to post by hootlj

 

OT the Agency have promised to show themselves over the Whitehouse 12th/13th

I saw that. 12th or 13th. Here's the message;

Please forgive us for the recent gap between communication. We must establish a credible non-governmental communication channel with you. We will appear over the White House of the United States of America between the 12th and 13th of February, 2011. There will be no retraction. We have prepared all that we need to prepare, diligently. You will know that we are "The Agency".

This site has had several problems, and the guy running it I think is not happy. Why he continues is a note of curiosity to me.

Always looking behind the curtain if I can. Motives, are always interesting variables.

Such events would corroborate some efforts like Jeruselum by these visitors, if in fact anything transpires. Look for dubious posts of falsified video or photos, as this gives some notice that can be taken advantage of in defusing any recognition of a real event.

ZG

reply to post by ZeroGhost


Let's hope people are out with their camcorders! im a member there as i am on many site's, as all i want is any information i can get from any website/forum/facebook/ect. I think im still banned from gl? for posting the CL02 pdf. I've even been a member here on/off since 2002

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by Springer

 

Quote by Springer,

"Personally, I think this thread has been pretty good with regards to civility over a hot topic, compared to the rest of the internet at least (go read YouTube comments for an example), but still we have had "true believers" slagging the very people who are trying to help them avoid believing in something false. It's understandable that the skeptics get frustrated when they have explained the same thing several times but, because of a lack of knowledge, deep seated beliefs it's not accepted or, worse yet, they get accused of some ulterior motive."

That simply is not true, there is persistant slagging, and a lot from those who you might put in the debunk camp, not necessarily from those who have done sterling work, but from people who pounce on every word or nuance from someone who has other ideas. That has been allowed to the extent that every line is quoted and replied to with a put down...without real substance. There are also details re the video that people have mentioned, that have not been addressed, and those people who asked about that were looking to the "experts" for possible answers, do you not get that? I know any forum is not a democracy, but then what is? I KNOW you are not singling out Hoop' but by god, he has got some tenacity in what he believes, and somehow I think, he like me, find there is less to do with the merit or otherwise of the story, but more of an anxiety to put it to bed, regardless of anything that some posters have earnestly asked about. BTW, from a personal view, do you realise I had to trim your post in reply, otherwise it would have been to large a quote.

Agreed. This thread has become a joke. Members who ask for evidence to prove the videos are hoax are attacked with rude, ignorant and arrogant comments which go against the forum rules and nothing is done about it.

The debunkers, along with the mods and site owners claim there are tonnes of evidence to prove all the Jerusalem UFO videos are a hoax. All that has been provided on this forum and elsewhere are opinions and assumptions. As others have pointed out, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE to prove all the videos are hoax.

What is evidence? Well in this case evidence would be a video/CGI expert (there are no experts on ATS) who proves the videos are hoax through proper and thorough investigation of the videos. This would obviously take time. Or the person(s) who took the video(s) admit they created a hoax. To date, none of this has happened so to say the videos are a definite hoax is wrong and misleading. What the debunkers should be saying is 'in my opinion, the videos are hoax'. Fine, I can all live with that. And if and when the videos are proven to be hoax, I can live with that as well.

The debunkers claimed they could 'easily' recreate the hoax video because it is simple and cheap to do. Bear in mind they claimed the video has shaking background and mirror tile effect. So a thread was recently created for the debunkers and the challenge was set. But no-one took up the challenge and the mods evetually closed the thread because it was getting embarrassing for the debunkers!

Instead the debunkers said they couldnt be bothered!

The debunkers were then asked about their qualifications and credentials in the field of video/CGI and guess what, not one of them provided anything!

The debunkers were asked about the second craft in the video with flashing red lights. For some reason, they choose to ignore this. And the debunkers who claimed to have debunked the videos do not allow people to make comment on their youtube videos! Are they afraid someone might prove them wrong?

And finally we have the small problem with this thread being 'accidentally' deleted. This is suspicious as no announcement was made until some members had to seek answers regarding this.

So yes this thread is a joke and has become easy hunting ground for the debunkers and their followers to attack a handful of members! I get the impression the mods and site owners are doing nothing because they agree with the debunkers!

reply to post by planetzog


The owners and mods have to tread carefully, we don't want to look bad in the mainstream. that said if it wasn't for the involvement of mc+anw, ATS could have stepped up a rung or two of the ladder given the chance.
This still may be a big hoax and if investigated correctly we could still advance!

By the way, where is a link to the very first original video that was uploaded, that eye balls could have seen?

I am seriously having trouble finding it, I don't want the translated version, or the supposed original version even if it was linked from original youtube account.

Where is it?

Man, if this is a cover up...it's working.