UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

reply to post by Frater210


It is a kind of compression where the camera makers know what you look at and know what you do not look at.
So this is mental compression. If you know where people do not look at and you are in a data constraint, then you can make a decision and not save it or doublestamp or whatever.
After that step it is jpeg or mpeg compressed where huffman buffers are used (zip) or jpeg also blurs here and there to reduce data amounts.

Here it is summed up nicely:

Well. it appears as though this has been debunked, in its entirety... Sorry I've not been involved in this thread, I had the unfortunate requirement of travel this week (during the worst winter storm in 100+ years here in the U.S.) for ATS business and was not able to spend the time to do this justice.

Fortunately Mr Mask (once again) handled the job perfectly.

giftOfprOphecy, laymenskeptic and several others were incredible too. ;up:

Assuming there is nothing to refute the findings herein, I will move this thread and it's "video" to the dread ATS[HOAX] Forum.

I'll edit in a brief explanation in the OP and link to giftOfprOphecy's post that shows the mirrored buildings.

EXCELLENT WORK by the ATS Community!

Another HOAX bites the DUST, IGNORANCE DENIED!

Springer...

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by Jdawg9909

 

now you are grasping at straws here. The utah case was filmed above a military base possibly. People could have got the idea from the Utah case etc.

This Jerusalem one is a Hoax. Utah case looks military related imo.

Grasping at straws? So you then deny the uncanny resemblances?

Out of the multitude of possibilities of what a craft could look like, in
both cases they display the same flight characteristics as well as action.

I would venture to say that these are undoubtedly the same phenomenon.

Perhaps they are ET, manmade, or something else , but they are the
same. Mathematics and statistics are on my side. Out of all variations,
they match up 100%.

You are truly unable to accept any possibility that these could be authentic?

We have the same phenomenon appears just days apart. People believe that the
Utah case is authentic, yet so fast to disprove the second. We have multiple eyewitnesses
and angles. Why do quick to disprove the Jerusalem case yet no one dares to touch the
Utah?

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
Here it is summed up nicely:

That is completely false!

Motion tile does not work like that. You cant orientate the axises the effect operates on, let alone track them to the movement of the scene.

Check this NEW HD VIDEO out on the event, I think you'll enjoy it!

Originally posted by Quartza
reply to post by laymanskeptic

 

Hi Quartza, good effort on the graphics! You're off to a good start. Now if you could just orient that green line in another direction, it would make it a little bit cooler and would have a little bit more sense. Can you figure out which orientation that would be? I know you can :-)

What orientation should it be at? The green line is true horizontal line. The mirror image should match up along the green line when mirrored along the vertical axis. How does that not make sense?

edit on 5-2-2011 by Quartza because: (no reason given)

Ask yourself "what are the other possible orientations?" There's more than 1 :-) What line should you draw to cut that specific figure into 2 symmetric halves? You can find the answer inside you Quartza. Feel the image and internalize its form. You don't have to rush this to find the answer. It will come to you in it's proper time, could be a few minutes, hours, even days, it doesn't matter - let it come to you. Have patience. And most importantly, believe in yourself.

You must exercise inner silence, then the picture will talk to you.

Let me know what you find when you finally find it :-)

I hope that advice will help you find the answer your own questions for a long time to come! Happy exploring :-)

reply to post by Quartza


Would you like me to fire up After Effects and prove you wrong? Or would you rather come to the realization that you don't know what you are talking about on your own?

reply to post by laymanskeptic

Ask yourself "what are the other possible orientations?" There's more than 1 :-) What line should you draw to cut that specific figure into 2 symmetric halves? You can find the answer inside you Quartza. Feel the image and internalize its form. You don't have to rush this to find the answer. It will come to you in it's proper time, could be a few minutes, hours, even days, it doesn't matter - let it come to you. Have patience. And most importantly, believe in yourself. You must exercise inner silence, then the picture will talk to you. Let me know what you find when you finally find it :-) I hope that advice will help you find the answer your own questions for a long time to come! Happy exploring :-)

Sir, that shows you are clueless of how effect works and the limitations of the effect. Look it up. There is no way to rotate the true vertical and horizontal it operates on. Do you not get this?

reply to post by WhiteHat


Yay! Thank you. Maybe you'll be able to get some answers. I just want to hear from at least ONE of the people that actually filmed this. Then I can decide what I actually think about the whole mess.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by Quartza

 

Would you like me to fire up After Effects and prove you wrong? Or would you rather come to the realization that you don't know what you are talking about on your own?

Yes please do, put together the effect showing how you can chose any orientation you want to mirror along, along with tracking the orientation to movement of the video source.

Originally posted by Jdawg9909

Unalike?
Both are triangle craft with red dots on the end releasing white hot orbs.

How much more alike can they be?

Let's just face the facts. If we cannot prove the Utah UFOs a hoax, then by default the
Jerusalem craft stand to be much more credible.

The Jerusalem event is proven as a hoax.

But anyways...Utah.

Yes, there are many things different. In fact, there are few things alike in the situation...though I understand how anyone can connect the two. I even suspect that the Utah event was what sent these hoaxers off to build the Jerusalem hoax.

But things to make sure are not confused or lumped into false similarity-

Utah does not look fake: We must all admit, those who really went after the Jerusalem footage, we knew it was fake. It looked horrible, screamed hoax and really just crapped the bed. We just needed proof. Utah doesn't look or feel fake...not saying its legit...but I am willing to bet many who actively dismantled the Jerusalem hoax knew it was fake, and those same people probably (guessing here) can see the Utah footage and feel it is real.

Utah's lights are not triangle or flashing: These lights are solid, as both witnesses made very clear. They flew in and dropped something, and they move as if they are flying in a typical flight formation. Unlike the red lights in this Jerusalem hoax where the lights appeared in random flashes after the hoaxed UFO CGI effect left the area. Utah's lights behave very much like terrestrial craft.

Utah has no white orb: Witnesses have been very clear in saying it looked like a firework burning and appearing to be flickering and on fire. Seeing the clip it looks very similar to military flares burning (with less smoke). The red lights dropped this burning object. It did not hover nor behave in an alien manner. It simply fell from red lights.

Utah has real witnesses who came forward: This is not conclusive proof of a real event happening...but it is stronger then "no witnesses come forward and play youtube games".

Utah's event seems very much like reports of jets flying without lights where the burners are only visible, something well known too many UFO buff who have seen this thing mistaken in the past for UFOs.

Weirdly enough, one would expect sound from these jets...none reported.

But point being, to be honest and complete, we must note the many differences verses the similarities.

The only similarities are- white and red light is involved (but act/look completely different), both at night, bth filmed, both called UFOs.

But let us also not forget the biggest difference in both cases...Utah hasn't be utterly proven to be a hoax like Jerusalem's event has.


Anyways...as I said, the event looks very real to me- but I am willing to see any evidence anyone has to prove that wrong. I just feel we are not being handed an easy win here due to it not looking totally fake like bad CGI.

But...like I said, I'm down for investigating all things unknown. Just don't be shocked to learn it is not crappy low-grade amateur CGI by a couple stoners making youtube hits.

MM

Originally posted by Quartza
reply to post by laymanskeptic

 

Ask yourself "what are the other possible orientations?" There's more than 1 :-) What line should you draw to cut that specific figure into 2 symmetric halves? You can find the answer inside you Quartza. Feel the image and internalize its form. You don't have to rush this to find the answer. It will come to you in it's proper time, could be a few minutes, hours, even days, it doesn't matter - let it come to you. Have patience. And most importantly, believe in yourself. You must exercise inner silence, then the picture will talk to you. Let me know what you find when you finally find it :-) I hope that advice will help you find the answer your own questions for a long time to come! Happy exploring :-)

Sir, that shows you are clueless of how effect works and the limitations of the effect. Look it up. There is no way to rotate the true vertical and horizontal it operates on. Do you not get this?

Sure, don't forget my advice.

See you soon! Need a bit of sleep :-)

reply to post by Quartza


Ok, coming right up...

By the way, you do realize that the video position and rotation is changing on the screen, and all areas outside are being mirrored right?

Removed my post after considering myself out of line and wrong.

Thanks for making me reconsider my behavior and you have my apologies.

For what they are worth.

Human flaws are hard to escape.

MM

reply to post by pharaohmoan


I'm more interested in watching your little presentation again.

The one that says the event shows signs of being real, where you stand behind the piece and support it with no evidence as you talk about nothing for like ten minutes but act like you are sharing evidence and factual insight.

Can you link me to that again?

It was...um...fun.

Bet you enjoyed getting some hits.

MM

Bye guys,
Time for plan B.
I am in a hurry to light up mount Zion with mount Hermon....
The plan is to repeat put 1 knot in mount Hermon. Mount Hermon will then start shining as bright as about the orb that you witnessed here. Mount Zion will receive the light of Hermon and then there will be seven (7) knots in mount Zion.
Then I modulate mount Hermon in such a way with flashing it on and off that mount Zion will ignite.
Problem is there are some moving boundary conditions and need to tune.
I did that last month and now I go and see if I can repeat.
Then its highlight has come.
Who can hear this can hear this and who can't can't.
And really!
The nice part of it is that I am not even joking.
Have fun.
And remember.
Secondary agendas like hoaxkilling for the killing kills "complete induction"
And do you deny that people kill for the killing?
Have fun.

reply to post by Mr Mask


Wow. You know, MM, I refrained from jumping into either thread with a whole bunch of vitriol and biased opinion. I have never stated either way what I believe. I have NEVER ONCE called anyone on these thread any names, accused anyone of having an agenda, or otherwise added to the stupidity going on. I have never accused you or anyone else here of being arrogant or petty or condescending.

I think you just changed my mind.

You attack me just because I want to see the original footage? I'm an object of your ridicule because I want to hear from the people who brought this footage to attention. I think you are a sad, angry person. I cannot imagine what the purpose of your attack on me is. Guess you've managed to lose all objectivity in your triumph, huh.

The words "sore winner" familiar to you?

Originally posted by Jdawg9909


Out of the multitude of possibilities of what a craft could look like, in
both cases they display the same flight characteristics as well as action.

Absolutely not true, and the video shows this clearly as well as the testimonies of the witnesses interviewed on MSM news.

Do not fall victim to the fact that both cases had a single falling white light and multiple red lights at night, cus other then that all similarities between events end.

It is important to be very careful in what you let your mind fill in for you.

Evidence shows many differences.

But I see why people may think the two related. In fact, the Jerusalem hoax may have been inspired by Utah.

MM

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Wow. You know, MM, I refrained from jumping into either thread with a whole bunch of vitriol and biased opinion. I have never stated either way what I believe. I have NEVER ONCE called anyone on these thread any names, accused anyone of having an agenda, or otherwise added to the stupidity going on. I have never accused you or anyone else here of being arrogant or petty or condescending.

I think you just changed my mind.

You attack me just because I want to see the original footage?

I'm an object of your ridicule because I want to hear from the people who brought this footage to attention. I think you are a sad, angry person. I cannot imagine what the purpose of your attack on me is. Guess you've managed to lose all objectivity in your triumph, huh.

The words "sore winner" familiar to you?

Sore winner?

No...just really not happy to see some want to still give attention and advertising to a guy getting "paid" foor each click we send him.

But sure...go get the real footage...click the guy's work a little.

PS- I'm sorry if my feelings for these hoaxers has driven me to be a bit snippy....your right. But, really, these bastards are ruining UFO study and getting paid t make people look stupid. I just can't stand it.

So I'm sorry. I really am...I don't know you nor should I assume you work for them. But I did notice you spreading David's name around more then once and it kinda rubbed me wrong and made me suspect you.

PSS- David Biedny...same story...I don't see why anyone helps that man get paid off tricking folks.

But that is no excuse...and you are right...I apologize sincerely, even if that is not enough

MM