The South Atlantic Anomaly

There are/were testing programs that could be done in simple middeck experiments within the Anomaly that would taken tens of millions of dollars to re-create on Earth. Just like with the study of osteoporosis, scientific studies on orbit can show us in days what would take years of study on the surface, under normal circumstances.

For those intersted in the tether/elevator theory, it is sadly not feasible, and even if it were, the Anomaly would be one of the LAST places you would ever want to place it, because of the varieties of ionizing radiation present. It was an interesting concept, back in its day.

reply to post by Truth1000

are you suggesting that it is feasible to harvest/collect positrons in abundence? i am aware of the difficulties down here on terra firma with regards to the embodied energy requirements for such a task. the ability to simply collect them in this zone would be very cost effective. uses i suppose could range from energy production to radioactive hazard negation. so in essence gravity is a hinderance when it comes to the more exotic experiments and developments.
regards f

reply to post by fakedirt


fakedirt,

Thank you, fakedirt! You are the first to recognize this! Hooray!

Gravitational forces must be overcome on a continuous basis while performing certain sections of these key experiments while on Earth. In microgravity, with up to 11 minutes of "free ionization," ionization fragments can be exploited in the Anomaly that would be so expensive as to be nearly prohibitive. However, even unmanned low-Earth satellites can perform these functions in silence and with relative ease. Naturally, what the experiments are remain extremely classified, but the environment is highly unique.

For more specific Q&A, feel free to U2U me, fakedirt. I will be pleased to discuss aspect that would be inappropriate on this forum. Also, please go back and read my thread about HED physics, because there could be some real "nuggets" that you might perceive, that have not yet been recognized.

reply to post by Truth1000


hi truth1000
i will indeed clue up on your hed thread. it may be at the speed of a slug! the potential of the saa is fantastic to say the least. i am now at the point of seeing certain avenues of thought converging with regards to the embodied potential. it was literally in our faces all this time. thank you for your patience with this monkey. i think i'll treat myself to a banana!
i'll take you up on the u2u offer.
regards f

i have just thought of a possible appropriate aperture for the collection of said particles. with an 11 minute window, i feel the design must be the most functional and efficient for the purpose.

reply to post by Truth1000


I read your HED thread. Interesting.

From what I understand Positron harvesting on Earth is extremely costly. Also, you need reliable containment. As an aside I read somewhere about a new containment system recently:

Anti Matter Containment System

So from what I gather from this thread, and the HED thread, positrons could be harvested and used to create a new breed of nuclear weapon, as well as a potential energy source?

ETA:

I wonder if gravity affects the storage of positrons as well.......

reply to post by sixswornsermon


You guys are really starting to catch on. However, anti-matter is not a player here, but there are other high-energy particles that we humans still have trouble replicating that are just sitting there in the Anomaly doing nothing useful on a normal day. Thus, we canmange to utilize excited-state particles without providing ANY energy source to create them!

The HED physics is not strictly related to the topic in the Anomaly thread, but we are trying to create materials with the lasers that we have no other means to create at this time. The energy created, however, is sort of a two-headed monster - it is capable of amazing benefits when used for peaceful purposes, but could be so disastrous if used improperly that it is as if we are again at the start of the 20th Century and just starting to understand nuclear physics, with the possibilities of nuclear power plants, or 20-megaton bombs, depending on who is using it and for what purpose!

Still, you guys are restoring my faith in the power of the minds of the people on this site!

I did want to add an addendum that you also should be misled by the mentioned positrons. To specifically mention those does not strictly identify them as the only particles involved, or even the primary particles involved. After I finished the last post, I realized that could cause misconceptions about what was available to be "harvested."

reply to post by Truth1000


In subject to "free energy" what specific details of a machine could pull useful particles out of "thin air" Would it need to be made of a specific material or be built in a specific way? Do we need to do anything to these high energy particles to use them? If air is moving at it's fastest speed, it is at it's lowest pressure... If we pull air through something fast enough and bottleneck it into a small enough space?

reply to post by Truth1000


The gears are certainly turning thanks to your threads. So thank you, Truth, for your efforts. I appreciate your leading the proverbial horse to water.

I find it very beneficial to to come across somebody of actual knowledge on this site. Cuts the doldrums from the normal tripe presented here.

I have more questions on this topic, but I'm not entirely sure what they are yet, so I'm off to read some more of your threads.

reply to post by 9Cib27


There is no air at the altitudes at which the Anomaly exists. The actual mechanisms are quite complex, classified, and while I have an idea of what they do, I never had access to the information of what was going on inside the "black box" experiments. In the discussions I had with the scientists about these events, my limited knowledge of sub-atomic particle mechanics made my questions to them more annoying than enlightening.

reply to post by Truth1000


hello truth1000
could you possibly shed light on the alpha magnetic spectrometer? is it to be utilised initially to determine the ingredients of the saa soup? i suppose after 15+ years in the construction of, it would be fitting for this payload to be used to identify the exotic particles initially and then possibly formulate a game plan in the manner and approach to collection. i am sure this is connected with the saa, however i could be mistaken. another consideration would be the fact mission specialist 3, drew feustel is on the team and with his expertise in geological sciences, could part of this mission be to observe any possible saa/tectonic interactions?
regards fakedirt

Bumped.

Bumped again for sure as well as flag!

Truth1000, thanks you for providing one of the most interesting threads in a long time. While i have very little knowledge about the physics of the things beeing laid out i can certainly appreciate trying to learn as well as picking up the small trickles of perifer information about other topics.

So much info to digest, i have carefully read the entire thread twice now.

Here´s a NASA link i found through google saying that the anomaly is caused by the magnetic center of the planet beeing offset relativ to the physical center of the planet..

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov...

..causing radiation to dip lower to earths surface. Is this true and if so, wouldn´t it just be a matter of putting a device in higher orbit to access this all around the planet?

Also, do you know if this anomaly has been detected around other planets or even the moon?

You got me interested in the subject.I have to ask if this has anything to do with what Nikola Tesla was supposedly researching about wireless transmitted energy?

not too sure whether t1000 is coming back to furnish you guys and gals with answers. he may be off-world as i type!
as i stated in a previous reply, i speculated that the magnetic detector recently installed on the iss may indeed be utilised to identify the various exotic particles prior to the feasability study to collect them. big bucks if they get it right.
f

reply to post by fakedirt


Aah, too bad his gone but then again, most good posters have a fairly short stay here. Guess that´s what you get for stirring the pot.

fakedirt, you suspect he is an astronaut?

reply to post by tomra

it was tongue in cheek but you just never know!
i know t1000 has been and may well still be involved in the field of space medicine. if you look at his profile, you will see information on the guy and his connection with nasa. if i remember correctly, i think he was working in trauma er not too long ago after his tenureship at the space agency.
it would be nice to hear from him again.
f.

Hi,

I imagine our mag. field cycles, currents flow.

Now if I could see this current, I might imagine the way a commode flushes/vortex. Like was mentioned, at the weakest point (wide-area) could be the "collection plate" where it becomes said anomaly?

So, if it is a collection of residue collected from our atmosphere, somehow, it seems kinda cool. And, if it is our field that causes this collection to effect such- then we know it can be collected for use?

Hi,
so are we at the point where I might be catching up?

Because it requires mag. energy to collect; how to collect it is the big question?

Is this feasible in an inorganic version?
Maybe get a few fleets?

Just build 'em out of pig-iron with an opposite polarity than the anomaly is and feed it to the fishes?

Vacuum and pressurized hulls? Well, dang it.

Shameful bump for a cool thread.

reply to post by loveguy


my initial feasability went something like this.. all assumptions btw.

collection aperture

transition corridor

containment vessel


a testing medium would need to be positioned in front of the aperture to determine
flow pattern and scatter. as the anti-protons strike the medium, they would
leave indentations that would be used to identify the best sizing for the aperture.
the medium could be boron impregnated polythene approx one inch thick. i think this
procedure would be impotant due to the unknowns of collecting such a volatile
resource. it would also show any cascade or concentrations of particles that could
potentially engulf and damage external unshielded components of the vehicle.

the aperture would need to be at a determined distance from the containment
vessel with multiple redundancies along it's transition corridor length, for safety and
consistency of flow. in the event of a cluster or too high a concentration of inbound
particles, the system could repel and detatch the flow. the assumption i imagined
regarding the transition corridor was that it would need to be calibrated to accept
a single stream of particles rather than a wider volume that could potentially
destroy the vehicle should the containment system along the length of the
corridor fail.

the containment vessel, again i imagined a setup similar to the plasma torus vessel
used in various experiments circa 80's onwards and an enhancement of the zeta
(zero energy thermonuclear assembly) setup from the fifties.
once the particles are injected into the torus, as long as the field held, they would
be in constant torus flow and ready for draw or available for transfer to another more
manageable vessel.

a number of redundant systems would need to be incorporated into the vehicle
to ensure there is no failure of the electro/magnetic containment or else the lightshow
would be visible from the ground but thats dependent on the size of the vehicle
and the amount of anti-protons collected. i would say a minimum of four redundant
systems taking account of cme's, circuit board failures etc...

transit back to earth is another matter where serious feasability studies would be
required. due to it's volatility, i suspect any inbound delivery system would
need to be well away from population centres.

the revenue from such a system would far outweigh any initial costings,r and d and
operational outlay. uses are obvious and controlled annihilation of anti-protons
could generate electricity through pwr (pressure water reactor) right through to
nuclear remediation where a stream of anti-protons could by focused on a quantity
of nuclear waste and would cancel out the matter to produce heat and light and
again these by-products of annihilation could be utilised to produce electricity.


so there you have it loveguy, a slice of mine minus tangible drawings. wonder if there
are any burt rutans (sp!) out there with the scope for investing in such a system or
will the dod/mod/etc simply hijack any patent and dis-allow development?

best wishes fakedirt.