Jesus Christ Master Mason

This is a horrible and chaotic thread. I haven't read the whole thing, because it doesn't make sense most of the time. From what I have read it's just a bunch of people saying what they think about jesus, the bible, or freemasonry. I dn't trust masons. I don't believe in the bible. This thread has only strengthened my opinions. (That's including every last form of christianity. There was no jesus, that's a fact, not an opinion like most of what I believe about religion. And another fact, if you think there is only god and no jesus then you're jewish of muslim. And really, the muslims seem to have gotten the closest to being right about who is god and what jesus was, even though, again, jesus did not exist. He is a story, a representation, but never was an actual person.) My opinions on masons has changed. Mainly I think I need to do more research now, but I assume any mason trying to portray himself in a good light does so as a politician, if you catch my drift.

What i'd like is for someone to make a statement that is clear and concise, because ya'll sound like a bunch of retards. Not meaning to be offensive, even though I know that's how that comes off. But I feel like I'm playing a game of cherades(sp) and madlibs put together.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
I'd have to disagree. A Master Mason is privileged to all there is to do or know in Freemasonry.

And how, exactly, would one know that for sure in an organization built on secrets? Even those who think they are at the very top of the organization might not even know if there are other levels above them. There could be hints, though. Most Masonic degrees apparently stop at 33(.333). But the strongest of construction angles is the 45 degrees incorporated in a right isosceles triangle. And the Great Pyramids incorporate an angle of 52 degrees.

It wouldn't be completely ridiculous to equate levels of accomplishment or secrecy with physical degrees associated directly with construction and architecture.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

And how, exactly, would one know that for sure in an organization built on secrets?

The organization is not built upon "secrets". It is built upon knowledge.

Even those who think they are at the very top of the organization might not even know if there are other levels above them.

Levels of every Masonic body are clearly defined in that body's constitution and by-laws.

Most Masonic degrees apparently stop at 33(.333).

Most do not. Actually only two do: the Scottish Rite of Masonry and the Order of Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests, both of which have 33 degrees.

It wouldn't be completely ridiculous to equate levels of accomplishment or secrecy with physical degrees associated directly with construction and architecture.

Such was the case with Free Masonry in olden times, but it has long since evolved into a non-operative fraternity.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by AtticusNoble

 

Thank you, you are correct, I was only trying to be proactive that nobody jumped on the first part of my statement about there being "one" in a thread about Jesus, and start making derailing assumptions.

You are correct that the name has importance individually to many or most members, but Freemasonry as a fraternity does not discriminate based on religion. We have Christian, Jewish, and Muslim members all over the world.

Would the "name" of that one "God" be Lucifer/Baphomet and so on by any chance. I already know the answer, just sayin' . Nothing ever stays "secret".

Some day after the Apocalypse a book will be written and in it will claim that bob marley was infact jesus reborn.

Because they seemed alike or something convenient to write a new truth.

Jesus probably was a real person like bob marley but like bob marley and che and guy Fawkes as time goes on people who wish to profit from interpreting there message through t shirt sales will build a new legend for each.

And it's sad because I think there is a real story of jesus to build a religion on without the resurrection and water into wine flair added. Just a simple message.

As far as being a mason, lol he was supposedly a carpenter at one point but in a time when there only secrets where how to use geometry and other sometimes forbidden arts of math and science.

As far as the masons go every group has it's inner cirlce and certainly one with 4 million members is going to have a few.

Originally posted by daddio

Would the "name" of that one "God" be Lucifer/Baphomet and so on by any chance.

No.

Second line.

BULLCRAP! Nothing but dragging Jesus through the mud! Baseless accusations and blaspheme. I would be more inclined to believe satan was a master mason. Just another Jesus basher, dime a dozen.This is contrary to everything taught about Jesus by many, many great men up until these end times of evil where it seems everyone is an anti-christ. I know there are a few real Christians left, but for the most part, dragging jesus through thorns of evil seems to be an ongoing fad. Trying to make a man, who did nothing but good and holy things....into an evil Freemason/Baphomet worshipper. Jesus was taken to the top of a high mountain during one of his weakest moments while fasting and turned down all of the riches of the world to worship the king of evil, Satan, yet he is a Freemason and chooses to worship a man-made god Baphomet? This is the stupidest thing i have ever heard and is nothing but the counter presentation of what God's word says......the counter of God's word is Satanism. Jesus is not a Freemason or a Satanist or anything of the dark.

(Mark 3:25) ..."And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."

(Luke 11:17) ..."Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall."

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(Mark 3:25) ..."And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."

Who better to repair that house than a bricklayer, sorry, ahem, a freemason!

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I agree. To place Freemasonry any earlier than maybe 900 AD is a serious reach.

That said, we don't worship Lucifer, Baphomet or any other fundamentalist boogeymen.

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woa, there big thunder! lower the fundie flag and take off the bible blinders. Nobody is here to say anything bad about Jesus Christ. We are discussing history. Now run off and symbolically eat flesh and drink blood and let the adults talk.

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by benedict9

 

We charge our members to be a good citizen. I wouldn't consider an oppressive "law" to be one that is followed. Also note, you are misusing "Lucifer" as it was a mistranslation and in fact Christ was referred to as Lucifer (morning star).

What is this "stage" you speak of that I have not yet attained? Can you provide evidence to your accusations?

I thought Lucifer was the angel that got cast down and lost his title so to speak and from then on became known as Satan. I by no means am not a theologian and am not particulary religous as I dont believe in organized religions and that is what I beleieve churches to be is a organization. I do believe in the teachings of christ tho... he was a friend of sinners and "undesireables"... and that is what I am. I think he was the ultimate rebal... a rebal ungianst the unjust and evil. So with that being said that statement confused me lol.

Originally posted by sterlingmoon
I thought Lucifer was the angel that got cast down and lost his title so to speak and from then on became known as Satan.

Nope. The Bible never says that. Popular fictions like Paradise Lost or Dante's Inferno say that was the case, but nowhere in the Bible does it say Lucifer was the name of an angel, or that Lucifer was the angel who fell and became Satan. Total myth.

The only time the word Lucifer appears in the King James bible (and it doesn't appear at all in almost all other translations) is in Isaiah where it's used once to describe the fall of a Babylonian king.

The rest is just a perverted mythology taken as gospel. It would be like 200 years from now people believing that Jesus was a kung fu master because people might mistakenly equate him with Neo/The One in The Matrix.

You Must find answers about Lucifer in this below thread.

who-is-lucifer-what-are-they-doing

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by IAMIAM
There is no power greater than unconditional love my friend. It conquers all. That is what Jesus was explaining.

Not if you look at it in context. He said this while explaining to an accusing crowd why he was using the demon Beelzebub to cast other demons out of people. The whole "divide and conquer" thing.

The original knowledge of the Freemasons included the expert use of sorcery. The "Masons" of today only picked up some of the symbolism, but lost essentially all the actual esoteric knowledge of the Freemasons. Jesus himself probably learned his skills when he was studying in Egypt. A huge amount of the New Testament is devoted to Jesus and his Apostles traveling around, using sorcery to heal people and fund their cult, although it's not fashionable these days to focus on that.

Your way out there when you say Jesus used sorcery, you have no understanding of who and what Jesus is and did and still does to this very day.

Luke 11:14-20 (Amplified Bible)

14Now Jesus was driving out a demon that was dumb; and it occurred that when the demon had gone out, the dumb man spoke. And the crowds marveled.

15But some of them said, He drives out demons [because He is in league with and] by Beelzebub, the prince of demons,

16While others, to try and test and tempt Him, demanded a sign of Him from heaven.

17But He, [well] aware of their intent and purpose, said to them, Every kingdom split up against itself is doomed and brought to desolation, and so house falls upon house. [The disunited household will collapse.]

18And if Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom last? For you say that I expel demons with the help of and by Beelzebub.

19Now if I expel demons with the help of and by Beelzebub, with whose help and by whom do your sons drive them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.

20But if I drive out the demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has [already] come upon you.

Here is what Jesus was doing, it was by the hand of God that He did these things.

And as for the Freemason's there is a lower and higher hierarchy, the lower not knowing what the higher one does, until you reach the higher degree you are only at a need to know level.
The highest degree still holds there full knowledge.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by sterlingmoon
I thought Lucifer was the angel that got cast down and lost his title so to speak and from then on became known as Satan.

Nope. The Bible never says that. Popular fictions like Paradise Lost or Dante's Inferno say that was the case, but nowhere in the Bible does it say Lucifer was the name of an angel, or that Lucifer was the angel who fell and became Satan. Total myth.

The only time the word Lucifer appears in the King James bible (and it doesn't appear at all in almost all other translations) is in Isaiah where it's used once to describe the fall of a Babylonian king.

The rest is just a perverted mythology taken as gospel. It would be like 200 years from now people believing that Jesus was a kung fu master because people might mistakenly equate him with Neo/The One in The Matrix.

Well i suppose anything is possible as i do have "wonderings" of what may have been added or taken from the bible over the years due to peoples own agends.. I've heard many stories such as the vatican burning books that never seen the light of day. All I know is I agree with the teachings of Jesus and think he was amazing and wonderous and I only wish I could be half as he was but I always fall short.

Originally posted by sterlingmoon
All I know is I agree with the teachings of Jesus and think he was amazing and wonderous and I only wish I could be half as he was but I always fall short.

for what it's worth, all anyone needs to do is try their best to be as he was. No man will of course, but to try is the best way to honor him. (IMHO)

Why do people get so excited about the bible!? Whens all said and done it is just a book! I wonder if in 2,000 years time whether ordinary people will gather in places of worship to pray to Harry Potter!?

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If thats what gets you there, and no one is hurt by it...rock on friend.

While there IS great wisdom still in the bible, I believe that a great deal is early church propaganda for power.

Give me the history, the psalms, song of songs (and similiar material) and DEFINATELY the "red letters". The better part of the rest (paul and peter stuff), keep it.

The church picked and chose what the "plebes" were "allowed to know". Entire books were discarded.
Post Jesus, the church stopped being about empowerment and edification of the soul. It became money and control. They beat the people with fear and guilt.

Jesus never did that. Why did they?

My $.02

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This was illustrated to me when my wife had to take a trip to California with a couple of our lady friends. As she is my wife, I had given her the "Hailing sign of distress"....and good thing she remembered.

The car had two flats, on a highway in Arizona. They had tried to flag people down complete with the hood up and all.

Then she remembered.

1 Winwbago, 2 cars, and a state trooper were on her in about 3 minutes. She was asked if she would like to sit in the wini with the elder brother and his wife whle two others went and fetched her two tires from the next town (she gave them the money). The brothers asked about her family and what lodge I attended and general stuff. Very nice to her.

2 hours later, the trip continued.

Thats what we are taught to do for each other. I also do my best to help when I am given the opportunity. I've met some reallly cool people that way. Also had a strange (metaphysically) experience as well.

Angels unaware.

This accusation is all speculation.

I have learned from my experiences and research, Jesus Christ did not learn from the Masons. He was educated by the Angels after the Temptation. A lot of the information Christ was given has been delivered to humans throughout history by Angelic beings, for good and bad. Jesus Christ did not need to be a Mason to be Christ. The Human Race knows a lot, but we do not know what Jesus Christ knows. He was the Son of God, we are only God's creation.