Jordan's powerful Muslim [Brotherhood] opposition warns that Arabs will topple US-allied Mideast le

reply to post by FlyersFan


Sounds like you have alot of fears to me. Even if the government isn't Sharia law, the west media will still spin it to be. Why do you care so much? Because Israel is there?

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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Can you squeeze in anymore of your fears and biases? Again, these are their countries, it's their region. Let's reserve judgment and not muddy an already confusing situation with spam.

Amen to that , well said !

Originally posted by mayabong
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Sounds like you have alot of fears to me. Even if the government isn't Sharia law, the west media will still spin it to be. Why do you care so much? Because Israel is there?

7 years on ats will do that to you . lol

Many of these countries will have a harder time adapting without the Western world sending them aid money. They also fail to see that tourism to their countries will go down and what little money they were making will dwindle into nothing.

I think out of all the nations Saudi Arabia will come out on top because of their oil export. But what does every other nation have that many others don't?

reply to post by FlyersFan

And again, this is our business why?

reply to post by Equinox99

They're big boys and girls. I'm sure they'd welcome the chance to try on their own. It's not as if every business deal and all tourism will stop if they were to install a government more humane and equitable and not in bed with powers they don't agree with?

Saudi Arabia might have more reason than most for concern. The two big powers there are Saudi Arabia and iran. This is almost a war between them by proxy. .

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why do you think syria is safe..?

kx

this is my first post here on ATS, i live in Jordan and when i read "Powerful" muslim brotherhood opposition in Jordan i say powerful who?! Muslim brotherhood are not powerful here in Jordan, and i don't think that they are accepted by the public as they were lets say 20 years ago, or as they are accepted in egypt, we had the new parlement elections few months ago and they got no seats in the parlement, Jordan is not Egypt, we have a very small population here ( 6 Million) in comparison to Egypt (80 Million), there is no real protesting here unless you would consider less than 50 people standing before Egyptian embassy as "Protesting", they were kind of supporting the Egyptian people, Muslim Brotherhood my a$$ people here i think are aware of the brotherhood as a political party carrying a political agenda under the cover of islam.

the situation is really tough in Egypt, things are not calming down and i see the US administration not supporting Mubark and his government, he will be gone, what will happen next, i think islamists are capable of making a whole mess in the country, the majority of muslims in egypt strongly (and naively) believe that islam is the solution to the political corruption, poverty, unemployment, the high prices of oil and food, what a pity, once islamists get to rule the country (unlikely but that's a possibility) people would realize how good Mubark was, we are living in a very interesting times, and i am waiting to see some more protesting and riots (Yemen, Saudi Arabia) in the middle east before i become a firm believer that this is not normal and something has been planned for the whole region and we are just watching a play scene.

reply to post by h_jordan

Well, welcome to posting on ATS.

A very interesting perspective. Haha...powerful in their own minds? Powerful because someone wants them to be? Powerful because no one else appears to be speaking out on the issues and they are taking the opportunity to speak out given the current political climate? Anyone's guess. Huge political strides have been made throughout history by seizing the moment and momentum. Someone's mistake is usually somebody else's gain. We have to wait to see?

We have to take the headlines with a grain of salt, and also consider their source. Both actually tell us a lot about the bias of the news outlet. The actual headline of this article was even worse. I took the liberty and may still get dinged for it) of adding the word Brotherhood. Could be there was no space and someone made a poorly chosen word cut. Or it could be they wanted the headline to be more inflammatory. Just a guess.

From all I've heard, Mubarak has not been all that good to his people. They are not happy with the poverty and economy and many view him as a dictator as he has been in power for 30 years. And, as with any leader, has formed alliances that some of the people in his country do not agree with. Some don't like his policies regarding Israel. Others don't like his seeming support of Iran.

Egypt is a U.S.ally. However, there are many who feel the U.S has supported this government for strictly financial reasons and have ignored some of the blatant disregard of the peoples' complaints about political repression, low wages, corruption and nepotism. The same is true of Saudi Arabia, where the situation of the people is even more dire.

Can you give us an overview of what you are seeing in your country, from a Jordanian's perspective? Regarding the prime minister.

Also, here is another, recent thread about Jordan if you have not found it yet. And now Jordan

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Many of these countries will have a harder time adapting without the Western world sending them aid money. They also fail to see that tourism to their countries will go down and what little money they were making will dwindle into nothing.

Excellent point. Over the past thirty or so years, the United States people have given the egyptians between 28 and 38 billion dollars, depending on who you believe.

Again, it makes me wonder how much they (the arabs/muslims) over there would want to poke at the "great satan" that so readily and generously gives out the treasure owned by the american people.

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It called Jihad. It is not that confusing. It the the method by which Islam is spread.

reply to post by h_jordan


Just a question to you since you do come from Jordan when will the people in the middle east finally denounce Islam? and reailze that religion isn't bringing anything good in there life.


Well its a just question i hope to hear a answer from you.

Yes we need to stop that money stop flowing to feed the political machines in other countries. All of them, including Israel.

Like Rand Paul says... www.abovetopsecret.com...
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Saeed said Arabs have grown disgruntled with U.S. domination of their oil wealth, military occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and its support for "totalitarian" leaders in the region.

"The Americans and (President Barack) Obama must be losing sleep over the popular revolt in Egypt," he said. "Now, Obama must understand that the people have woken up and are ready to unseat the tyrant leaders who remained in power because of U.S. backing."

These people have kept the dialog on a local political and geopolitical level and not a religious one. Can we please do the same and not derail the thread? There are other threads already in progress for your particular discussion.

Again, it is their region, these are their countries, and they have every right to determine their own fate and government.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Equinox99
Many of these countries will have a harder time adapting without the Western world sending them aid money. They also fail to see that tourism to their countries will go down and what little money they were making will dwindle into nothing.

I think out of all the nations Saudi Arabia will come out on top because of their oil export. But what does every other nation have that many others don't?

Hmmm.. on top of that, British scientists just created synthetic oil, is that a huge power move or what!?
What happens to the middle east if they can't export oil?

I'd be wary of making my mind up too quick on this issue. We'll see what happens.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I definitely agree that Saudi Arabia needs to be overthrown because of their support of Islamic cause, especially Wahabism don't you agree? They deserve to be overthrown because of that.

reply to post by deltaboy

I will neither agree nor disagree. Instead I have some questions for you with my comments.

Overthrown by whom? At what level? To what degree? Overthrown for what reason? Because the majority of the people practice a religion? No.

reply to post by MMPI2


Most of the money never makes it to the people obviously. It goes to the Military and more importantly the Egyptian police that holds the population down through fear. Is this the generosity you are speaking?

Originally posted by mayabong
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Most of the money never makes it to the people obviously. It goes to the Military and more importantly the Egyptian police that holds the population down through fear. Is this the generosity you are speaking?

well, i have to admit that I didn't realize that there was someone on this thread with a direct view on the internal monetary policy of and distribution of foreign aid within the egyptian government.

i'm assuming that perhaps you are a finance minister, or maybe part of the egyptian diplomatic corp?

Of course....I'm being facetious. My guess is that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and you pulled those statements right out of your rectum.

By the way, how about getting us some citations and references for your contentions that all of the 38 or so billion dollars given to egypt goes directly to the military and police to "hold the people down through fear."

reply to post by MMPI2


If you've been following anything, the Egypt Police force are the most hated by the people, because of their brutality. They also have plain clothes cops all around that they call thugs.

Its widely known that Egypt gets 1.3 billion a year in MILITARY aid.

The people are rioting because they are poor. You have to be pretty desperate to go out with the possibility of getting killed every day.

reply to post by mayabong

uh...yeah. thank you for the update, captain obvious.

We're still waiting on the solid references that indicate the money the egyptians receive through USAID go to the police and the military.