Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising

reply to post by stephinrazin


This Mohammed El Baradei?

Both the IAEA and its former Director General, Mr. ElBaradei, were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005. In ElBaradei's acceptance speech in Stockholm, he stated that only one percent of the money spent on developing new weapons would be enough to feed the entire world, and that, if we hope to escape self-destruction, then nuclear weapons should have no place in our collective conscience, and no role in our security.[4]

Text of H. Res. 1303 [110th]: Calling on the Egyptian Government to respect human rights and freedoms of religion and...

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RESOLUTION

Calling on the Egyptian Government to respect human rights and freedoms of religion and expression in Egypt.

Whereas the promotion of respect for democracy, human rights, and civil liberties are fundamental principles and aims of the United States;

Whereas the United States attaches great importance to relations with Egypt and considers fair and transparent elections as the only way to make progress towards a more democratic society;

Whereas Egypt plays a significant role in the Middle East peace process and in the fight against international terrorism and fundamentalism;

Whereas the Egyptian authorities have promised to put an end to the imprisonment of journalists and bloggers, but this promise has so far gone unfulfilled;

Whereas Shiites, Koranists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and other religious minorities are harassed, arrested, and imprisoned by security services;

Whereas all Baha’i institutions and community activities have been banned in Egypt since 1960, and members of the Baha’i faith are denied government required identification cards solely due to their religious affiliation;

Whereas material vilifying Jews appears regularly in the state controlled and semi official media;

Whereas the Copts, Egypt’s largest religious minority group and the largest Christian population in the Middle East, suffer from many forms of discrimination, including--

(1) a lack of employment in higher positions of the public sector, universities, army, and the security service;

(2) disproportional representation in Parliament and Shura Council;

(3) difficulty in building and repairing churches;

(4) lack of protection and lack of prosecution of perpetrators in cases of sectarian violence;

(5) government harassment of converts to Christianity while the government encourages conversion to Islam; and

(6) the inability to obtain government issued identification cards which reflect conversion to Christianity;

Whereas the opposition presidential candidate Ayman Nour is still serving a five-year prison sentence following an unfair trial in 2005 on politically motivated charges;

Whereas his health is deteriorating as a consequence of this imprisonment;

Whereas his numerous appeals for release on the grounds of his medical conditions and his request for a presidential pardon in March of 2008 have all been rejected;

Whereas Egyptian authorities closed the Centre for Trade Union and Workers’ Services and its branches, this being the first closure of a nongovernmental advocacy organization by an executive decision;

Whereas the Ibn Khaldun Center for Development Studies and its founder, Dr. Saad Eddin Ibrahim, have been threatened for their work to promote democratic reforms;

Whereas other civil society development organizations, including the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute, have also been restricted in their work; and

Whereas the recent arrests and action against nongovernmental organizations and human rights defenders undermines the commitments entered into by the Egyptian Government concerning fundamental rights and freedoms and the democratic process in the country: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) recognizes that respect for human rights is a fundamental value, and the bilateral relationship between the United States and Egypt should be a platform for promoting the rule of law and fundamental freedoms;

(2) calls on the Egyptian Government to end all forms of harassment, including judicial measures, the detention of media professionals and, more generally, human rights defenders and activists calling for reforms and to fully respect freedom of expression, in conformity with article 19 of the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights;

(3) encourages the Egyptian Government to honor its commitment to repeal the state of emergency in order to allow for the full consolidation of the rule of law in Egypt;

(4) encourages the Egyptian Government to take the steps necessary to fully implement and protect the rights of religious minorities as full citizens;

(5) strongly supports measures to guarantee academic freedom, freedom of the media, and freedom of religion or belief in Egypt, including by ending arbitrary administrative measures, such as those taken against the Centre for Trade Union and Workers’ Services and the Association for Human Rights Legal Aid;

(6) urges the Egyptian Government not to impose arbitrary restrictions on the peaceful activities of civil society organizations;

(7) calls on the Egyptian Government for--

(A) the immediate release of Ayman Nour, in light of reports of his deteriorating state of health, and calls for an immediate welfare visit, including a visit by qualified medical personnel;

(B) the release of all political prisoners and other activists; and

(C) an end to the harassment of the Koranists;

(8) stresses the need to fully implement the principles of the 1969 Organization of African Unity Convention Governing the Specific Aspects of Refugee Problems in Africa and the 1993 International Convention concerning the rights and the protection of migrant workers and their families;

(9) supports the concluding observations of the United Nations Committee on Migrant Workers of May 2007, which called for the re-opening of the investigations into the killing of 27 Sudanese asylum-seekers in December 2005;

(10) calls for an end to all forms of torture and ill treatment and calls for investigations when there is reasonable suspicion that acts of torture have occurred;

(11) calls on the Egyptian Government to allow--

(A) a visit by the United Nations Special Rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment; and

(B) a visit by the the United Nations Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief;

(12) emphasizes the importance of ensuring and strengthening the independence of the judiciary by amending or repealing all legal provisions that infringe or do not sufficiently guarantee its independence;

(13) stresses the need for respect and protection of the freedoms of thought, conscience, and religion as ensured in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 18 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the 1981 United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination based on Religion and Belief;

(14) welcomes the efforts made by Egypt to secure the border with Gaza and encourages all parties concerned to redouble efforts to fight smuggling through tunnels into the Gaza strip; and

(15) urges the President and the Secretary of State to put human rights and religious freedom developments in Egypt very high on the United States Government’s agenda during meetings with Egyptian officials.

Don't you think the timing is interesting after the Coptic christian issue?

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Holy cow, that gave me chills

Originally posted by Chakotay
reply to post by stephinrazin

 

This Mohammed El Baradei?

Both the IAEA and its former Director General, Mr. ElBaradei, were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005. In ElBaradei's acceptance speech in Stockholm, he stated that only one percent of the money spent on developing new weapons would be enough to feed the entire world, and that, if we hope to escape self-destruction, then nuclear weapons should have no place in our collective conscience, and no role in our security.[4]

Wonder what else we can dig up on this guy.

¶6. (C) XXXXXXXXXXXX claimed that several opposition forces --
including the Wafd, Nasserite, Karama and Tagammu parties,
and the Muslim Brotherhood, Kifaya, and Revolutionary
Socialist movements -- have agreed to support an unwritten
plan for a transition to a parliamentary democracy, involving
a weakened presidency and an empowered prime minister and
parliament, before the scheduled 2011 presidential elections
(ref C). According to XXXXXXXXXXXX, the opposition is interested in
receiving support from the army and the police for a
transitional government prior to the 2011 elections. XXXXXXXXXXXX
asserted that this plan is so sensitive it cannot be written
down. (Comment: We have no information to corroborate that
these parties and movements have agreed to the unrealistic
plan XXXXXXXXXXXX has outlined. Per ref C, XXXXXXXXXXXX previously told us that this plan was publicly available on the internet. End comment.)

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Looks like exactly what is happening

Originally posted by majestic3
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

no one is free these days we are all but slaves to our governments

Yeah I know.

I was making a bit of a joke though.
Look on the bright side buddy.

Better for Hosni Mubarak to defacto "abdicate" lest he suffer the fate of Anwar Sadat. The people thirst for freedom and the last straw may have been that he planned to appoint his son as his successor (we dont need any more governments in the model of North Korea;s succession process....it is not a dictatorial monarchy).

reply to post by Stormdancer777


The dream was vivid and horrific - one of those where you can feel, smell and taste everything as though it were real life. I felt the heat of the blood as it landed on me - truly awful. I was flooded with pure hate and a desire to kill those responsible, after a man was hacked to death in front of me; a very potent emotion - retrospectively frightening, to know you have felt/ thought about killing someone for vengeance, with such conviction.

The bit about the tunnels fell into place when I saw the main thread about the Egyptian uprising, and remembered that Palestine had a tunnel between them and Egypt - it was dug to get around the Israeli blockades, and they would regularly receive supplies that their Egyptian allies were sending.

Really made me shudder - I'd even forgotten that detail of the dream until partway through writing the post.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


I know what those dreams are like, it is like you are living them.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I apologize on behalf of the USA for spreading freedom.

Not!

Haha. We are damn proud of it.

Can we spread a little bit more of it back home?

I'm tired of seeing about US police brutality, limits on the Bill of Rights for "national security," lying bankers and politicians and all the other crap we just sit here and take like it's normal.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I apologize on behalf of the USA for spreading freedom.

Not!

Haha. We are damn proud of it.

Is that what we call it now? I know the US was spreading something, I just wasn't sure what to call it on a public forum.

I spent my career life working for the US war machine. It had a malfunction and got stuck in the "on" position,

If Lindsey wasn't so busy giving himself accolades every other minute and Alex stirring up 'excitement' this is a pretty interesting discussion.

In light of this story, anyone else find it odd that Egypt's top brass is/just left DC.

english.aljazeera.net...

in.reuters.com...

People wake up this is the end of the world. The revolution will bring peace but also destruction.

reply to post by TheLastMessenger


That's probably just a little over dramatic . It seems that perhaps these riots and government take downs are being orchestrated.

Behind the uprising aren't a group of rebels but terrorists they are The Muslim Brotherhood and on there english website they have there twitter where they can update there followers either in English or Arabic.


Here are there updates

19:11 MB leaders brace for massive arrests among its ranks tonight
19:50 US in denial! Clinton still betting on Mubarak to reform instead of stepping down

21:37 Egyptian opposition figures urge MB to form units to gaurd public properties
02:26 MB rejects dictator's speech, vows to continue supporing demonstrations till regime change New

It seems The Muslim Brotherhood really wants Egypt to have an Islamic state.


What do you think of my findings?

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


It's interesting, no doubt.

My issue with it is that the movement is completely non religious.

I know that the Muslim Brotherhood is in the area, and most likely will try to seize the opportunity of upheaval to achieve their own desires. They would need the support of the military and the support of people. As to the demands of the people, they say they want a parliamentary democracy, very clearly that is their ultimate goal. They know they will not get this with a religious government. Also, I see the military going whichever way the people go, unless they decide to seize power themselves.

Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

It's interesting, no doubt.

My issue with it is that the movement is completely non religious.

I know that the Muslim Brotherhood is in the area, and most likely will try to seize the opportunity of upheaval to achieve their own desires. They would need the support of the military and the support of people. As to the demands of the people, they say they want a parliamentary democracy, very clearly that is their ultimate goal. They know they will not get this with a religious government. Also, I see the military going whichever way the people go, unless they decide to seize power themselves.

Your wrong on one point

My issue with it is that the movement is completely non religious

The group is very religious and in fact they are even calling for an Islamic State of Egypt
The MB Group is also known as the largest Islamic political group and the oldest.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


I was talking about the protesters being non religious, or not wanting a theocracy rather. Not the MB, yes they would love to get in there and make it a religious Egypt.

I just don't see them being successful. I could see a military dictatorship before I see the MB taking the reign.

Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

I find it interesting that this is coming from the UK, and not say Iran. An ally busting out our covert activity is very interesting.

its the old trick to blame somebody else for what you are guilty of.

the UK, US, and Israel are involved in ALL the recent middle east protesting!