Can science prove this???....

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
To answer the thread topic, I think that science may be able to disprove God in the future, It will be far in the future..... Here is the thing, If they do,(who ever they are) do you think the people of power will let it out that people have been living a lie for atleast 2000 years. No, there would be mass Chaos.........

I really beleive that if god was disproven through science then the world as a whole would be a much better place. Think about all of the barriers we would break down. By all means I dont mean to insult or offend any of you that are religiuos, but i think the world would be a much better place without religion. Or maybe somehow prove that there is only one god, that way everyone beleives in the same thing so there is no conflict in terms of religion.

The day you PROVE God does not exist, I will believe you. Until then, I stand by my Lord God.

Originally posted by Tassadar
The day you PROVE God does not exist, I will believe you. Until then, I stand by my Lord God.

Thats totally cool with me. Your totally supporting wat i am trying to say. That at one point the egyptians would have probably said the exact same thing, yet now we completely dismiss their gods because of our scientific knowledge. Thats all i was trying to say. I jsut think that the way its going with the current evolution theory, we might be heading in the same direction. NOw, whether you beleive that evolution is real or not, thats up to you. But it seems to me that a lot of ppl are beginning to accept it and its one step closer to disproving God.

I won't argue with anyone about their religious beliefs , we all have a choice and reasons behind our scientific or religious sway of the big picture .

One of the things that helped accomodate the advent of science in religion was the idea of a priest/astronomer by the name of Georges LeMatrie who suggested to Einstein the primordial egg . A moment of creation that both sides agree upon .

www.catholiceducation.org...

Whether it be the hand of god , or a scientific anomaly that has brought mankind to our current state can not be argued "convincingly" at this point by either side . (so don't bother me with your faith at the moment please, as I believe in ghosts .... wait a minute you do too !! maybe we are on the same track except for the imposing of rules written by men....)

Until the nature of " The big bang " is understood , science and religion will be at odds , and it is this and ONLY THIS event that will be able to proove or disprove god IMO . We will not see it in our lifetime .

evolution, lol...I fogot about that.
Too bad Lucy turned out being a pig!
...and there have never been any full Neanderthal skeletons found
...and there is no link between whales and dogs
...and carbon dating is inaccurate...

...of course you could say the same about Christianity (I would rebut and slap you in the face with truth, but that's not the issue here).

So do you believe evolution is truly a step closer to disproving God?

Interested,
- Tass

In my opinion, no god ever existed. They are simply a mind thing that people need to explain what is sof far unexplainable. Read my post in this thread about it. I don't believe in any kind of god other that just an idea. I think that LuDaCrIs is quite right when he says that science will disprove all gods one day. And maybe not evolution as such, but just with everything that we don't know yet...

Originally posted by Tassadar
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...and there have never been any full Neanderthal skeletons found
...and there is no link between whales and dogs
(...)

Obviously... Neanderthal are not ancestors to Homo Sapiens... They're on a dead end branch, and we're even not sure where they come from really. And the whale and the dog are not that different: they are mammals. They're just not on the same branch of the tree, that's it. Sorry, but I don't get your points here.

Perhaps they will find the 'God' lobe of the brain. It might be interesting to do brain scans on people when they feel close to their God.

Even if there is a God and he does nothing that i can see or feel, what's it to me. As far as i can see God seems pretty useless, except for giving some people self-righteous joyrides and making them act inhumane. I think a value system that looks out for future generations would make for a much more moral and just society.

I think Virtue, Beauty and Truth are the ideal values to have. And the beauty i speak of is both surface/visual and deeper beauty of design of a splendid machines, mechanisms and methods.

Originally posted by Tassadar
evolution, lol...I fogot about that.
Too bad Lucy turned out being a pig!
...and there have never been any full Neanderthal skeletons found
...and there is no link between whales and dogs
...and carbon dating is inaccurate...

...of course you could say the same about Christianity (I would rebut and slap you in the face with truth, but that's not the issue here).

So do you believe evolution is truly a step closer to disproving God?

First of all, just becasue those three things don't add up doesnt mean evolution shoiuld be debunked. you say that there is no connection between dogs and whales, but isnt it true that we have found fossils that connect some types of reptiles to birds. If we can see a reptile turn into a bird then its a safe bet that other species have turned into others. I know i am assuming this will happen, but isnt that proof enough.
And secondly, how exactly is carbon dating innaccurate. Wat about digging up the ground and seeing different levels of sediment. How can u possibly refute that. So i definetely see evolution as one step closer. There are others things too.
Does anyone else here actually agree with wat i have to say??...if so...wat are someother things that will lead the way to disporving?, other than evolution?....

Originally posted by slank
Additionally let's not lean on math, science and technology too much, limiting our thoughts, the way some people do on God. Reach out for the wierd, spooky, different, unusual, the strange. The Universe should spark your imagination and make you curious. It is full of strange facts and anomalies. I believe there are realms and probably Universes beyond this one.

Learn the best of the 'facts' about this Universe and use it as your starting point and safe harbor to explore the realms of your imagination and dreams.

I believe that science and math require great imagination to explore. Scientific and mathmatical discoveries are made by being creative and thinking outside of the box. These studies do not preclude creativity and imagination, they require it in order to advance.

Originally posted by SpittinCobra

How can you say this? How can science disprove there GODs? Let me ask you this, does that mean all the others in todays world can be disproved also? If people from the past where wrong, Why cant people of today?



To answer the thread topic, I think that science may be able to disprove God in the future, It will be far in the future..... Here is the thing, If they do,(who ever they are) do you think the people of power will let it out that people have been living a lie for atleast 2000 years. No, there would be mass Chaos.........

Well rivers overflow beause snow melts on mountains. The sun rises because the Earth turns... You cant disproove the Christian God because there is no exact explanation as to where everything even YOU came from.

Originally posted by AD5673
You cant disproove the Christian God because there is no exact explanation as to where everything even YOU came from.

Doesn't that make u think and question Christianity???....there is no exact explanation as to where you came from....

I think if u can disprove the bible, you can disprove the Christian God because isnt it the "word of God".

The bible says that Humans came from adam and eve. If you can prove evolution exists or is at work then that disproves the bible which in turn disproves God. Am i right???....all thoughts are welcome..i could be wrong.

Originally posted by LuDaCrIs
[I think if u can disprove the bible, you can disprove the Christian God because isnt it the "word of God".

The bible says that Humans came from adam and eve. If you can prove evolution exists or is at work then that disproves the bible which in turn disproves God. Am i right???....all thoughts are welcome..i could be wrong.

I think you are right in that Christianity can be disproven with the right evidence. If someone can find the body of Jesus and prove it is his then the whole premise is shot. And we may even be able to prove that many of the biblical stories are wrong or innacurate. But I think there is a difference between proving/disproving A RELIGION and its claimed history and proving/disproving there is A GOD of any sort.

Search and you should find the truth.

The probability of a God as a creator of everything is very-narrow.

Things are very different, it is matter of time until our concepts and our understanding of the universe will change. As you know the whole of our exestence is a continuous process, therefore the current religions had a day of ISSUE, and this is a fact, eventhough you don't like to admit it, and of course a day of EXPIRY!!!!!!

You must see the world and the universe objectively!!!!!

Religions come and go, so do human beings, so does the solar system in a few billions years, so does the universe in some indefinite time.

EVERYTHING HAS A DATE OF ISSUE AND EXPIRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How simple the world have been if everyone could understand that!!!

Regards, a weak physicist.......

Originally posted by AD5673

Do you have any proof that God really does exist? I mean are we suppose to swallow the Bible as true just because some priest says we should? There are strong arguments for both sides. There is no real proof that he exists and there isn't any proof that he doesn't. In terms of religion we are in a quandra. Society tells us he exist. Science points to the real possibility that we are a mathermatical probability in the great ecosystem of the Universe.

You dont have any proof that he doesnt. Look through out history. There is evidnce that prooves that Jesus existed. If Jesus exists...so does God. This should be moved to the religous forum anyway.

[edit on 12-7-2004 by AD5673]

You know, there were alot of Jesus'. Infact, it apparently was a popular name to have, I mean, even the guy supposedly put up next to Jesus during trial was named Jesus. But besides that, Just because someone may have existed doesn't really make him God. That guy at Waco existed, and he said he was Jesus, is he Jesus?

As far as I am concerned i dont think you can believe in something that hasnt been proven to exsist. If someone proved that there actually is a god i will believe it, but until that god is just a figment of religous people's mind that tells them that someone is always there to help you through things like a crutch. When ever someone gets scared they say help me god or prey for stuff from him. One more thing i dont get if you worship lord your savior why do you prey and ask him for stuff?

caseyak15

I do not believe in god for the simple reason there is no proof that god exists. The egyptians had their gods, as did the ancient greeks and many other societies. Can you PROVE there is no god of war (mars) or god of love (venus)? Can you PROVE that Osiris wasn't a god? If not then you must accept these beliefs to be equal to your own.

If a scientist tells you material X has certain properties, you tell him to prove it. The deluded religious people are trying to turn this on it's head so that the burden of proof lies upon the atheist. This site explains it quite well:

atheism.about.com...

If the believer is unable to provide good reason to accept the existence of this god, it is unreasonable to expect the atheist to try and construct a proof that it does not exist - or even care very much about the claim in the first place. Such an expectation is only reasonable when the atheist in question has specifically claimed that this or that god does not or cannot exist.

Give me ONE shred of credible evidence and I will convert here and now.

Moved to "conspiracies in religion"

Let me explain it this way: we have three types of belief systems -- science (things that can be measured and proven), myth, and folklore.

Depending on how you construct it, religion is either mythic (about the supernatural) or folkloric. However, it's not science.

You can't recite a formula in a particular way and have a deity show up 100% of the time to do a particular thing. Hence, it's not science.

Its amazing this topic keeps growing and growing and all I tend to see are excerpts posted which are from my original thoughts..

I'll give you all the basics, then let me know if you would like to learn more.

read the thread, Im sure it will help you understand who :God" really is, That is if you can be that open with your true self..

read here www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by LuDaCrIs

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
To answer the thread topic, I think that science may be able to disprove God in the future, It will be far in the future..... Here is the thing, If they do,(who ever they are) do you think the people of power will let it out that people have been living a lie for atleast 2000 years. No, there would be mass Chaos.........

I really beleive that if god was disproven through science then the world as a whole would be a much better place. Think about all of the barriers we would break down. By all means I dont mean to insult or offend any of you that are religiuos, but i think the world would be a much better place without religion. Or maybe somehow prove that there is only one god, that way everyone beleives in the same thing so there is no conflict in terms of religion.

You may believe what you wish although I would think that many would be very upset (putting lightly) if they found out that they were living a lie for thousands of years. Heck, I get angry when I find out that what I have been ranting on about to my family, friends or co-workers turns out to be wrong and they were right. I feel totally confused, angry, and completely humiliated.

If God were to suddenly be disproved by science, there would be no need for peace. There would be no need for sin. There would be no sins, there would be no barriers. But these barriers that would be let down would be ones that you would quickly wish back. No longer would people believe in a Heaven after death; a haven for which you must behave to gain access. No one would care... There would be no more need to care.

I myself have not spent enough time on religion, but it seems to be a very valuable part of society. Laws do keep me from murder, but ultimately I do not think about a life time in jail but an eternity in hell. Without that to think about what is holding me back? Do not be so quick to judge the powers of religion. Whether real or whether fake, in the end it can be an important wall protecting the pure and the guilty.

With all the time spent on religion to this day, the only way religion could be deemed incorrect, would be if it had not existed at all. Not because of the reality of religion but because of the mark it has left on the human race.

(Final note: Murder has tainted my mind several times during my life. But the only soul I wish to quench is my own)