Turkey UFO UPDATE Dr Roger Leir speaks about ET FOOTAGE

reply to post by zorgon


While I understand your skepticism, I feel that you're reaching a bit with the ship comparison. I don't see any similarity at all. However, it does strike me as pretty strange that, as you've pointed out, there doesn't seem to be much interest from ufologists and the locals in the area.

I'm quite impressed by the videos but the lack of additional reports from the area leaves me on the fence with this one. Having said that, these objects would appear as stationary points of light in the night sky, not the detailed objects we see in the videos because those are zoomed in, so perhaps this is legit and the locals simply didn't notice. Most people don't look up anyway, they're too busy focusing on what's going on in front of them, not above them.

Originally posted by Chadwickus

The burden of proof isn't on me to prove this isn't an alien ship, all I'm asking for is for someone to show these aliens without any manipulation.

I asked you to PROVE YOUR CLAIMS.

But instead you use deflection tactics, and try to shift the burden of proof onto something unrelated to YOUR COMMENTS.

You CLAIMED it was something. Prove That Claim!

There are no aliens sitting atop some alien spaceship, you've been fooled by image manipulation and crappy night time footage.

Show me how it's "image manipulation".
You Can't just say the burden of proof is on everyone else who claims anything, and then skirt your own responsibility to prove the claims you make.

Just prove it's manipulated. That's all you gotta do.
You claimed it, now you prove it?

Originally posted by hawaii50th
Come on now think about it, if they could travel light years to get to this planet, what would they come here for? It could only be one of three reasons, to either help us to progress to a better level of existence, or to come and take over, or to rape the planet of all it's resources mineral and or the physical animal, or human.
But that's not the case at all, because they are not who everyone thinks they are.

Sorry? You say it has to be one of three reasons, then say it's not the case at all, you've lost me.

Originally posted by DomCheetham
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Its definitely the Predator.

Ive been laughing for 5min straight !

Originally posted by hawaii50th
Come on now think about it, if they could travel light years to get to this planet, what would they come here for? It could only be one of three reasons, to either help us to progress to a better level of existence, or to come and take over, or to rape the planet of all it's resources mineral and or the physical animal, or human.

We're supposed to be monkeys compared to aliens who could be able to visit us, but I don't think if we found animals in Mars we'd kill them. Thing is, people seem to think of alines as intelligent animals. We should try to think of them as like we're one step up from animals, they'd be one step up from us. Cruelty is a primitive property in a living being. Would aliens NEED our flesh or our trees to survive?? I think with that technology they'd only need water for a way to develop endless quantities of energy. For fuel purposes, our planet doesn't have enough fuel to reach even the nearest star outside our solar system.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Ahh don't get all pissy, I'm not deflecting ANYTHING.

The evidence is in the video from the OP.

Exhibit A:

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Exhibit B:

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Exhibit C:

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The last one is my zoom of 300% of the 2009 video that was uploaded in 2009.

www.youtube.com...

So what do you think is going on mate?

3 pics of the same craft, with 3 distinct amounts of manipulation.

I find it a bit of a coincidence that ths video was shot by a ufo foundation, who runs a website.What are the chances?and three times .
Where was Joe public and the rest of us?
No other footage , no other reports.

Nothing to see here .

Doesnt look real to me in any way. Thats just my opinion looks like some crappy CGI

reply to post by rigel4


I think that to the naked eye, its just a few distant lights, so people on the shoreline arent seeing what we are on the video. Also, this has been covered in national newspapers in Turkey and there are multiple witnesses other than the camera men.

Whose to say that this object isnt there regularly as well as the dates it has been filmed on?

Sorry, it must be jupiter- what was I thinking?

reply to post by Chadwickus


Im sorry, but how does taking some screen grabs and post exibit a/b and c by them prove image manipulation?

I might add I have a Masters degree in Electronic Imaging, so will be interested in your response.

reply to post by Thunda


They're different.

A simple zoom like in C doesn't produce the same results as A and B.

Which means manipulation, it doesn't take a masters degree in electronic imaging to see that.

The other option is that the aliens are visible on the original higher resolution version.

So why don't they release it??

reply to post by Chadwickus


I dont understand what you mean by 'the same results'- you claim that it is zoomed in by 300 percent, so what results would you expect to see?

Think you could answer, but hold the atitude?

It looks similar to the one i caught on my blackberry on january 9th last year. Infact my one looked as though there was two saucers, side by side, but it was hard to tell because of the flashing lights. It was so close, hovering above a tree. I still have the picture and it has been enlarged as far as it can go. I suspect it could be enlarged even more. I have'nt got a clue how to put it in the hands of an expert on the internet or i would have by now.

reply to post by Thunda


I would expect to see the results to be the same, since the claim is that the aliens are clearly visible...

But it seems to not be the case.

but I'm no expert, can you shed some light on all this for us mere humans?

reply to post by Chadwickus


Well, a casual glance shows that the pixel ratio from your '300%' (you do mean you zoomed a still or screen grab by 300%?) is different to your exhibit a & b- what makes you think they should be 'the same'? If the people who filmed this zoomed it by 300% either on the camera (optical and digital zoom have different characteristics, as Im sure you are aware, but its easy to tell the difference between them) or from the original footage in an edit program, that is obviously going to have a great deal more information in it TO zoom. You cannot compare taking a 72dpi screen grab and then 'zooming' it by 300%, to the original camera work or capture.

It can be argued that anything you do to the original footage is 'manipulation', but for the purposes of debunking this video, I see no evidence of serious image manipulation to the point that it is either showing us something that isnt there, or distorting it to the point that an ordinary everyday object is seeming to be something all together different and quite out of the ordinary.

I thought you were going to loose the attitude, or is it that you feel that you share your personality with your avatar, and youre a big, scary man-beast with knives in your fists!!

Sorry mate- only pulling your leg!

reply to post by Thunda


As I said, I took a screen grab of the youtube video that I linked to, I zoomed the page in 300%.

I think we're saying the same thing here, you can't do an analysis on a compressed youtube quality video, I said this back on page 10.

What I originally asked is if anyone could replicate the zoomed in image of the aliens without image manipulation.

Since no one had bothered to I decided to do it and the above is the results I got.

It's no professional analysis but I find it odd that there is clear differences in the result...again this could be due to video quality.

So, excuse my hostility, it seemed as if you were having a go stating your masters degree, you could have done more than have a dig at my amateur attempt and use your knowledge instead, is all.

This thread shows how silly the debunkers can be with their suggestions.

'Its a yacht, no its a cruise ship with most of its lights out, no its a jet ski in the shape of a UFO!!'

The fact is, no-one knows but the object is flying/hovering above the sea and it looks more like a UFO than any of the silly suggestions made here.

The footage has been analysed and its not been tampered with. So the object seen in the footage is very real.

If its not an alien space craft then the only thing I can suggest is that some guys built a stealth aircraft to look like a UFO with engines that make little or no sound and sit in their aircraft wearing costumes to make themselves look like aliens! And yes it would cost a lot of money to do this.

But then you have to ask yourself if these rich guys did some how construct an aircraft, why would they go through all this trouble and fly their 'UFO' over a small coastal Turkish town, in the middle of the night.

It could be a 'black project' but I think the occupants with the technology would spot the people filming them and fly off. And not return a year later!

And bear in mind, the occupants (if human) would have to consider their aircraft being seen and mistaken as a threat and shot down.

There are a lot of questions that need answered with regards to this footage and the yacht/boat suggestions is not helping.

reply to post by Chadwickus


No worries- thanks for the explanation. I dont think we are saying the same thing here though. I was under the impression that exhibit a & b were done by the video authors using their original footage, where as you are using a screen grab from Youtube. If exhibit a & b arent from the video authors, then they have definitely done the same zoom on one of the films they have presented. We can agree that it is virtually impossible to do any valid qualification of an image at that type of resolution, quality or zoom.

Originally posted by VtaUFO
Here's a video update to the Turkey UFO case. Dr. Leir begins speaking at about a minute and a half into the video, but for those of you that are unfamiliar with the case, I suggest watching it from the beginning...

The raw footage of Dr. Leir's presentation will be available soon.

i honestly believe that we as humans went underground just before the last ice age and we took our technology and knowledge,ive seen/read evidence to support this.The only thing that baffles me is the fact that ufo sightings only exploded right after the bombing of japan.Maybe they are showing themselves now because the damage we are causing the earth is affecting them,maybe they will pollute us

Am I the only one wondering why the hell would any alien fly in a craft with no roof? Or is it a sunroof and they just wanted some air? But still, I just think it's extremely odd for some aliens to be flying in a craft with no roof, or a glass roof, and why there would be a body on the dashboard. How will they know when there is no gas left? What if they're past the speed limit?