AP Fact Check: Obama's Math Just Doesn't Add up!: (No Kidding)

WASHINGTON – The ledger did not appear to be adding up Tuesday night when President Barack Obama urged more spending on one hand and a spending freeze on the other.

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Obama spoke ambitiously of putting money into roads, research, education, efficient cars, high-speed rail and other initiatives in his State of the Union speech. He pointed to the transportation and construction projects of the last two years and proposed "we redouble these efforts." He coupled this with a call to "freeze annual domestic spending for the next five years."

But Obama offered far more examples of where he would spend than where he would cut, and some of the areas he identified for savings are not certain to yield much if anything. For example, he said he wants to eliminate "billions in taxpayer dollars we currently give to oil companies." Yet he made a similar proposal last year that went nowhere. He sought $36.5 billion in tax increases on oil and gas companies over the next decade, but Congress largely ignored the request, even though Democrats were then in charge of both houses of Congress.

A look at some of Obama's statements Tuesday night and how they compare with the facts:

Obama: Vowed to veto any bills sent to him that include "earmarks," pet spending provisions pushed by individual lawmakers. "Both parties in Congress should know this: If a bill comes to my desk with earmarks inside, I will veto it."

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The Facts: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has promised that no bill with earmarks will be sent to Obama in the first place. Republicans have taken the lead in battling earmarks while Obama signed plenty of earmark-laden spending bills when Democrats controlled both houses. As recently as last month, Obama was prepared to sign a catchall spending measure stuffed with earmarks, before it collapsed in the Senate after an outcry from conservatives over the bill's $8 billion-plus in home-state pet projects.

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As I said yesterday in a post about the SOTU address. Once Obama's lips started moving... the lying began.

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One thing I can assure you of...

If McCain/Palin has won... we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. IMO.

Thank you for your thread. S+F (100 if I could)
As for McCain/Palin, speculation is nice, but I never trusted McCain.
You betcha!

I listened to his speech last night. The usual 'more jobs for Americans' and 'education for the youth''.

He also praised 'Google' and 'facebook' .

It all sounded quite insincere.



Peace

I find Obama's comment regarding a "discretionary 5 year spending freeze" to be most amusing. If such a freeze were successful it would mean no new funding for the CHOSEN programs that already have allocated funds but, most importantly it would mean NO DE-FUNDING of these same programs. A move like this is sure to lock the hand of the GOP who are eager to start cutting and defunding. Especially with Obamacare. It can't fly without the money.

SMOKE and MIRRORS!! and a little 3 card monty

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Man, I am with you.

I met both of them in Media PA back during the election run. I have to tell you that Palin stood Head & Shoulders above them all. And they knew it.

Hardly a peep when the host Repubs and McCain were there. When Palin arrived.... the place went nuts and even more so after the folks heard them all speak. Only Palin was worth it.

I even got my polilitical sign that reflected what I thought.

Palin/McCain that expressed how the wife & I felt about it all.

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You'll be seeing the actual sign w/ me in it probably.... in 2012 (less Mr. McCain....)

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One thing I can assure you of...

If McCain/Palin has won... we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. IMO.

Yeah, instead of trillions of dollars in a few years spent on stimulus, bailouts and nanny state welfare, we would have spent trillions of dollars fighting a losing war against Iran and eventually china.

I can't believe I'm gunna say this, but we're better off with The Bama. By a fractional amount.

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A friend, once stationed in Alaska, received the NCO of the year award. Sarah Palin gave it to him. She spent time talking to him as well. From what HE said, she was smart, savy about the military, and knew her stuff. Plus he said, she was as hot as !
About the only smart thing McCain did was bring her into the political spotlight.

And just to keep on topic, I thought Obama was all about transparency.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

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This speech every year is just rubbish, no offence. Its for people like chris matthews and hannity to drool over, but its all bull every year. I would ignore it if i was you.

Originally posted by anon72


One thing I can assure you of...

If McCain/Palin has won... we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. IMO.

The mess that Bush presided over

You mean the 6,500 DOW

or

the million jobs we were losing each month?


I must admit I am a little bummed, we could be in the Greatest Depression, riding donkeys or shooting them for fun, nuking Iran every other day -

It is real easy to forget where we were 2 years ago - the DOW is back, the housing market is stabilizing and people are spending like crazy in my neck of the woods, I have not seen it this busy in years. Not crediting Obama persay

Find me a DC politician NOT associated with a lobbying firm, I'll show you an honest politician. These are the true serpents in the garden.

Originally posted by beezzer
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About the only smart thing McCain did was bring her into the political spotlight.

Ya he killed his chance to be president because of this decision by golly.

Palin is happy because she has gotten to fulfill her dreams of media stardumb and get filthy rich in the process.
All in an attempt to attract bitter Hilary supporters and women, she was an awful choice, look who is president

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If we are comparing, how about the 4.5% unemployment (Bush) vs the 10% that Obama now owns after TWO YEARS!

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Perceptions.

Seeming smart is not being smart.

I have many smart seeming people that were of no use when it came to actually using the higher functions of their brain.

Originally posted by Miraj
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Perceptions.

Seeming smart is not being smart.

I have many smart seeming people that were of no use when it came to actually using the higher functions of their brain.

Talk to Palin face to face. Getting info second hand may not be the best way to assertain a persons intelligence, but if you've never talked to her, can you claim the same?

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Yes.

Because their set of circumstances are entirely the same and have the ability to be fairly compared.

Originally posted by Miraj
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Yes.

Because their set of circumstances are entirely the same and have the ability to be fairly compared.

Please elaborate. How people can assertain someones intelligence by MM or Kos vids yet dismiss someone who's actually spoken to her?

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Believe half of what you see.

None of what you hear.

Politicians are actors.

Have you never met anyone that was very good at manipulating others? I have.

I guess they aren't that good if I noticed it.

Originally posted by Miraj
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Believe half of what you see.

None of what you hear.

Politicians are actors.

Have you never met anyone that was very good at manipulating others? I have.

I guess they aren't that good if I noticed it.

You didn't answer the question.
Please.
How can you (or anyone) judge a persons intelligence through the media vs a person that has actually sat down and talked with "said" person?

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I can't.

I don't put any stock in any politician.

I stop saying "X will save our country."

I try to vote on what they claim their policies are but I realize this will likely be betrayed.

Originally posted by beezzer
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If we are comparing, how about the 4.5% unemployment (Bush) vs the 10% that Obama now owns after TWO YEARS!

Oh thats right, in Republican land 2008 did not happen, everyone was busy hiding like Bush was busy hiding from the cameras Hey lets compare my Grandpas track time today with his time thirty years ago

Or How bout Bush's 7.8% rate in Dec 08 right after his gross mismanagement started the bleed out. But of course being in Bush's pocket might have shielded you from the real world, plus daycare is noisy.