Bachmann: Founding fathers ‘worked tirelessly’ to end slavery

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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And those cultures have issues with your culture too. What gives you the right to say you're better? You really have to come down from your high horse, because everyone has blood on their fingers!

You paid for child prostitution in Afghanistan...how is that better than a lot of the things you posted?

I was pointing out that all cultures were not equal. Of course, I would always consider my culture, "better", or else I would move to a better one.
I never paid for child prostitution in Afghanistan. Honest. I have receipts. But their culture allows it? Pity.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by beezzer

 

And those cultures have issues with your culture too. What gives you the right to say you're better? You really have to come down from your high horse, because everyone has blood on their fingers!

You paid for child prostitution in Afghanistan...how is that better than a lot of the things you posted?

I was pointing out that all cultures were not equal. Of course, I would always consider my culture, "better", or else I would move to a better one.
I never paid for child prostitution in Afghanistan. Honest. I have receipts. But their culture allows it? Pity.

Well, did you pay taxes? Cause if you did, you funded child prostitution

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by beezzer

 

And those cultures have issues with your culture too. What gives you the right to say you're better? You really have to come down from your high horse, because everyone has blood on their fingers!

You paid for child prostitution in Afghanistan...how is that better than a lot of the things you posted?

I was pointing out that all cultures were not equal. Of course, I would always consider my culture, "better", or else I would move to a better one.
I never paid for child prostitution in Afghanistan. Honest. I have receipts. But their culture allows it? Pity.

Well, did you pay taxes? Cause if you did, you funded child prostitution

Wow. Really? We should do something about that. I mean, tax-payer money to fund child prostitution is not good. Why would any culture allow that? Ours doesn't. We have laws. But apparently, other cultures do allow it. And that isn't good.

Then again, all cultures are not equal.

The idea that all cultures are equal has to do, ironically, with the concept of freedom.

Some may mock some other cultures’ activity and scorn it, fine, that’s all right, and one is entitled to their cultural preferences, but that’s really not the issue.

The issue is that any culture that wants to still indulge in pre-modern activities for instance, has the right to do that. Though I might view it as pre-modern and distasteful that doesn’t give me the right to feel superior; though we are different.

But it boils down to not what is right or wrong or superior or inferior but what is ones prospective on life.

Remember this modern Western civilization use to indulge in some awful things, such a beheadings in Europe, slavery, genocide, the inquisition. Perhaps we have grown out of these things but maybe we haven’t.

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Sorry to burst your bubble

Dynacorp is funded by the US government and they actively tried to hid this fact!!

As for prostitution not being allowed...ever been to Vegas?

It's easy to look in faults of other cultures, but you look silly if you completely chose to overlook your country's faults!

There's plenty of countries that could be considered better than the US...countries with more freedom, higher education levels, higher per capita income, and the list goes on. Of course it's not easy to accept this if you're a blind patriot

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I agree. To make all cultures "equal" would raise some (based on personal interpretation) and lower others (again, personal).
And all cultures would lose something. What makes a culture identifiable is their unique-ness in the world. Some are better, some worse. I just try to focus on mine and try to make it better.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by beezzer

 

Sorry to burst your bubble

Dynacorp is funded by the US government and they actively tried to hid this fact!!

As for prostitution not being allowed...ever been to Vegas?

It's easy to look in faults of other cultures, but you look silly if you completely chose to overlook your country's faults!

There's plenty of countries that could be considered better than the US...countries with more freedom, higher education levels, higher per capita income, and the list goes on. Of course it's not easy to accept this if you're a blind patriot

I'm not blind. And while you claim to have better vision than me, perhaps you just have a different prescription.
Never said anything about prostitution, just child prostitution.
My basis for stating the differences was in argument over YOUR claim that Michele Bachmann stating that cultures were unequal was false.
Just as you are now claiming that there are better cultures than the US. But didn't you say that when she said it, she was wrong?

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I said "could be considered" better...but by who's standards? Yours? Mine?

It's subjective and you can't therefore say one culture is better than the other. Saying otherwise resembles a lot what Hitler said as he was also sure one culture (aka his) was above others...we all know where that leads

Saying one culture is "better" is in no way linked to terminating the other culture.

The Green Bay Packers are "better" than the Chicago Bears. How do you turn that into killing/terminating/whacking the Bears?

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Saying one culture is "better" is in no way linked to terminating the other culture.

The Green Bay Packers are "better" than the Chicago Bears. How do you turn that into killing/terminating/whacking the Bears?

First off, the packers stink like 4 day old fish. But other than that, we may agree.

Worthy of note.

While I DO NOT DENY that the unemployment rate is presently at unacceptable levels, I would like to merely point out that this troubling trend began under the Bush Administration. As we all know economic factors tend to follow gradual trends with the exception of extreme circumstances. The Unemployment rate DID NOT SPIKE as Ms Bachmann would like you believe. They "cherry picked" the visual data to make it appear that way. This slow motion train wreck began in prior administration. It carried so much negative momentum due to the ineptitude of the Bush era that there simply was no quick fix. It is my firm belief things are starting to turn around. (Stock Market @ 12K points) Everyone knows jobs lag behind all other indicators.

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Yet ANOTHER example of tactics used by those whose intent is to deceive. :shk:

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by beezzer

 

I said "could be considered" better...but by who's standards? Yours? Mine?

It's subjective and you can't therefore say one culture is better than the other. Saying otherwise resembles a lot what Hitler said as he was also sure one culture (aka his) was above others...we all know where that leads

If it is subjective, then anyone can have an opinion. But here we go again. . . sigh. . . . . I subjectively think that my culture is better than those cultures that still stone women, multiple marry, mutilate genitals, pay higher taxes.
Dance all you want, play all the word games you want. MY culture allows me to have my own opinion. And I'm still free to have it.

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Her followers don't care about facts, or even want to do their own research...they rather get fancy buzzwords, no matter how ridiculous.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas."

WRONG

That was my favorite one of those quotes.

I went to the link you provided, so I could get my daily dose of "scared crapless", and was horribly let down by it.

CDC website, CO2 analysis, and even THEY had to go to concentrations in the range of 70,000 ppm to 100,000 ppm before they cold find a problem.

are you aware of current CO2 concentrations?

Are you aware of HISTORIC CO2 concentrations?

70,000 to 100,000 ppm my dyin' ass.

She might as well have said oxygen isn't harmful, and been about as right. Would you have pounced on a statement like that, too? You know that O2 is a dangerously corrosive poison in high concentrations, right?

Bet we never see concentrations THAT high in nature, either.

Reaching is reaching....

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Thanks for the post, starred and flagged.

This is just political correctness idiocy. The founding fathers had zero to do with slavery's end and neither did the civil war. It's rewriting history to make it more PC for today's standards.

It mirrors how many Germans have it today, people teaching through schools that they were all guilty for the crimes Hitler committed, subjugated to various holocaust memorials etc.

It's good to remember the past as it happened and not PC it up or claim everyone living today is responsible for it or claim the majority was for it.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

I don't believe CO2 is harmful, I KNOW it is...don't believe me? Read the link I posted as backup, it scientifically proves it.

And before you come along with some retarded "but it's natural" argument...so is Strychnine, and it's far from good. Don't believe me? Eat it!! LINK

See above. So is O2. Try living without it, though.

As long as the TP caters to bigots, racists, and uneducated bible thumpers, it's really hard to take them serious. Which is sad given that a 3rd party would do the country good.

Pity we don't all get to shape a new party in OUR OWN image, to our own wishes, isn't it? Neither the Neocons nor you get to do that, as much as you'd all like to, ad try though you might.

Personally, I'd like to see the Tea Party get a name change, and forge onward. "Progressives" got way too much mileage out of the name alone, while at the same time successfully avoiding ALL of the real world issues brought up.

Bachmann has a opinion? Whod've thunk it? Since when are politicians human enough to be allowed to have opinions? Or is it only "government approved", "progressive approved", or "neocon approved" opinions they are allowed to have?

I dunno, man. Looks from here like this hammering on a single statement about events 150 years gone is a mask for abject avoidance of current issues. When that's all folks have to hammer on, it says a lot - and they don't even know what they're saying to the rest of us.

Sort of like Bachmann. Y'all are more alike than you'd care to admit.

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Worthy of note.


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Yet ANOTHER example of tactics used by those whose intent is to deceive. :shk:

edit on 27-1-2011 by kinda kurious because: (no reason given)

Yes. I remember watching her on CNN and when she started about the unemployment spike under Pres. Obama...I squinted and thought...does her chart not have an 08' on it?? Where is 08? What? It wasn't until I was able to pull up transcripts and compared them to an actual unemployment chart that I understood how severly the facts were tortured to make her chart.

BTW - I am still trying to make sense of the Iwo Jima visual and what the point of that bizzare segway/imagery was? Any light there?

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by MrXYZ

I don't believe CO2 is harmful, I KNOW it is...don't believe me? Read the link I posted as backup, it scientifically proves it.

And before you come along with some retarded "but it's natural" argument...so is Strychnine, and it's far from good. Don't believe me? Eat it!! LINK

See above. So is O2. Try living without it, though.

As long as the TP caters to bigots, racists, and uneducated bible thumpers, it's really hard to take them serious. Which is sad given that a 3rd party would do the country good.

Pity we don't all get to shape a new party in OUR OWN image, to our own wishes, isn't it? Neither the Neocons nor you get to do that, as much as you'd all like to, ad try though you might.

Personally, I'd like to see the Tea Party get a name change, and forge onward. "Progressives" got way too much mileage out of the name alone, while at the same time successfully avoiding ALL of the real world issues brought up.

Bachmann has a opinion? Whod've thunk it? Since when are politicians human enough to be allowed to have opinions? Or is it only "government approved", "progressive approved", or "neocon approved" opinions they are allowed to have?

I dunno, man. Looks from here like this hammering on a single statement about events 150 years gone is a mask for abject avoidance of current issues. When that's all folks have to hammer on, it says a lot - and they don't even know what they're saying to the rest of us.

Sort of like Bachmann. Y'all are more alike than you'd care to admit.

Who is avoiding???

Progressives have been forced to look at fiscal concerns, even the Maoist Obama is outwardly addressing valid conservative complaints. I know as an individual and a progressive this is certainly the case for myself.
Clearly you did not read the valid complaints in this thread and the made the choice to ignore a great deal of fact and opinion presented in this thread. Low and Behold, you just embodied the exact method you just tarted on about.

Originally posted by beezzer
If it is subjective, then anyone can have an opinion. But here we go again. . . sigh. . . . . I subjectively think that my culture is better than those cultures that still stone women, multiple marry, mutilate genitals, pay higher taxes.
Dance all you want, play all the word games you want. MY culture allows me to have my own opinion. And I'm still free to have it.

Yes, here we go again:

eth·no·cen·trism – noun
1. Sociology . the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.
2 .a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.

dictionary.reference.com...

“Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.”
- George Bernard Shaw (No secret he was a Socialist I added that just to stoke you!)

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Worthy of note.


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Yet ANOTHER example of tactics used by those whose intent is to deceive. :shk:

edit on 27-1-2011 by kinda kurious because: (no reason given)

Yes. I remember watching her on CNN and when she started about the unemployment spike under Pres. Obama...I squinted and thought...does her chart not have an 08' on it?? Where is 08? What? It wasn't until I was able to pull up transcripts and compared them to an actual unemployment chart that I understood how severly the facts were tortured to make her chart.

From the photo, it appears that the labels on the chart are only under every odd year, but the bars for the even ones are there, not "missing". '08 is the last red bar on her chart. Odd, is in not, that her chart shows a pretty severe dip in '05, which dip disappears in the "new and improved" chart that starts in Jan '08, which was generated specifically to "blame Bush", is it not?

Meanwhile, while folks are arguing around, trying to assign blame to "the other guy", folks are still going hungry. NOW, not '05, 08, or '09.

NOW.