UN human rights official claims 9/11 was US plot

reply to post by GoodOlDave


What about menetta's testimony?

Originally posted by budaruskie
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

Christ Dave your still pushing that "damned fooled conspiracy sites" drivel (second favorite word of yours) falling over yourself to discredit the facts surrounding 9/11. I see you have reached a new level of ridiculousness by now claiming that "there is no official story"

. That is seriously the most outrageous claim ever made in this forum. What then have you been defending all this time? What then constitutes a "damned fooled conspiracy"? What then do you call the version of events that the officials have regurgitated time and time again into their media mouthpieces for mass consumption. Its honestly not my intent to attack you personally but when you refuse to ever acknowledge proof that is constantly provided while continuously pushing a known lie, what choice do you leave any of us.

You can laugh as much as you want but the joke is stil on you, since I know full well there is no "official story" in the context you're portraying it. You know as well as I do you're trying to make it look like a bunch of people went off into a closed room and pulled all the details covered in the 9/11 commission report out of a hat by magic, but the problem for you is that I read it so I know you're full of it. I know full well they asked many, many, MANY people many questions, and a good quarter of the report is a bibliography documenting where they got all their information from. When the report says that Mohammed Atta was a religious nut, it's not "an official story". They're getting it from his coworkers in Germany testifying that the guy would break off from work several times in the middle of the day and pray toward Mecca. In several cases the report attempted to place blame without mentioning names, but when you go to the bibliography you can see right away who it is they're raking over the coals (I.E. the head of the FAA in being too afraid of ordering the grounding of air traffic on his own)

The point you truthers consistantly evade is that you're not calling the 9/11 commission report a pack of lies. You're accusing all the witnesses the commission asked for information of being a pack of liars. You know full well you're going to look arrogant as hell for making unsubstanciated accusations against real live people so you purposely ignore the report is really a collection of eyewitness testimonies and you pretend it's "an official story". Not surprising, actually, since only perhaps 1% of you truthers ever actually read the thing and you don't even know what the supposed lies in the "official story" even are.

The report specificlly documents that Bush gave an order to shoot down flight 93 so tell me, why are you conspiracy people wasting our time bickering over whether or not Bush issued a shoot down order?

I wonder if one will eventually end up comparing this debate to the ecuminicals "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"
My answer is "Does it matter? The OS is shot through with holes a mile wide.
We all saw what happened a thousand times by now.Those building could NEVER have come down without the use of outside influences beyond the impact of the planes and the fires.
The poster is dead on who proclaims that it doesnt take any opinion of yet another so called expert to convince most people that the whole thing stinks.
Truth is, we all know it was an inside job.
Just like the shootings of the Kennedys or Oklahoma city,
These events are goverment sponsored terrorism, and we all unerstand that unless a majority takes to the streets,(just like the tunis and egypt demos.)We will continue to be ruled by these secret cabals.
We are mostly afraid of the hardship and disruption to our lives, the repression of the forces who rule,
the loss of prestige or income.
But WE DO KNOW IT REALLY WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
We are just scared #less of them.

reply to post by mayabong


Exactly...anyone that has half a brain and has a curious personality can see there are huge holes in the so called "official story," I'm not going to go into details but i guarantee pretty much anyone that believes it is someone who watches the mainstream media taking everything as truth and these same people believe that governments have our best interest in mind. Until we all(or at least most of us) get on the same page we will never see change.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

What about menetta's testimony?

What testimony of Norm Mineta are you referring to? That he issued an order grounding all civilian air traffic or that he confirmed there was a shoot down order issued by Bush? Both of those were covered in the report.

reply to post by budaruskie


It's unbelievable how anyone who has actually studied the events of 911 cannot see that there are more holes in the story than a roted piece of wood. I too would like to see evidence of any building falling in similar pattern but we won;t because there is none

Originally posted by Mr Objectivity

Originally posted by jameshawkings
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

Very true GoodOlDave! There's a lot of money behind the conspiracy theorists and their alternative agenda. The 'Truth Movement' is getting out of hand, someone is obviously financing it, I suspect George Soros. At least the media are still loyal to the US and don't even consider such ridiculous possibilities.

There really should be penalties for posting this kind of theories online. Some form of punishment is needed

Facepalm to the lol.

And Dave, you missed the whole point of "I don't need a scientist to tell me what a piece of horse crap smells like."

No I didn't. I simply mentioned cases like Dr Judy Wood and her "Lasers from outer space" claims to show you that relying on what a scientists says entirely because they're a scientist is bad logic.

The towers were standing perfectly fine for 30 odd years until two planes came along and hit them. You can imagine any far fetched alternative scenario involving nukes in the basement or holograms that you want, but as for me, I don't need a scientist to tell me there's a connection between the two events.

reply to post by jameshawkings


lmao I just spit my coffee all over the keyboard...punishment for questioning the government eh? Holy cow thank god you have no power. ever hear of freedom of speach buddy? geezz either your working for the government or are a totally messed up individual IMO....it's people like you that keep this crazy world going

reply to post by Shadow Herder


LOL, did you just state that the official story of 9/11 is 100% correct? Sorry I don't have my glasses with me, but it looks as though you did, which leads me to my next question, are you serious? And if so, than you are on the wrong website buddy.

Originally posted by Canadianpride420
reply to post by jameshawkings

 

lmao I just spit my coffee all over the keyboard...punishment for questioning the government eh? Holy cow thank god you have no power. ever hear of freedom of speach buddy? geezz either your working for the government or are a totally messed up individual IMO....it's people like you that keep this crazy world going

Unfortunately this is the reality of the world we're heading into. We're little people and they want to encourage us to do and believe as we are told

Originally posted by Canadianpride420
reply to post by budaruskie

 

It's unbelievable how anyone who has actually studied the events of 911 cannot see that there are more holes in the story than a roted piece of wood.

Yes it is true and your view is shared by architects, engineers, doctors, scientists, Professors, Victims families, police and firemen and many millions more people and groups around the world.

There are about 5 guys here at abovetopsecret who have blinding hatred towards evidence and ATS users that show the official story is fabricated. These guys are called 'debunkers'. They are almost robot like, without human intelligent thought, autonomously replying and parroting the official narrative ( is there such a thing?).

Originally posted by Otamad
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

LOL, did you just state that the official story of 9/11 is 100% correct? Sorry I don't have my glasses with me, but it looks as though you did, which leads me to my next question, are you serious? And if so, than you are on the wrong website buddy.

RE-read my post.... lol
I just decided to get some typical 'debunker' responses out of the way....lol complete sarcasm.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


I would like to know what your fetish is for 9/11 discussion and why you subscribe to any of the governments dam fool conspiracy theories.

Not a one of them can be proved yet here you are defending them , and even pretend with "Aw Jeez not this again" mantra... I bet you even look like that guy in the pic lol.

We all know you have nothing to offer in proof of any kind just some kind of sociological response designed to make people go... hmm maybe that dave guy is right,, YA HE MUST BE !

You get offered no proof of anything, but picked a side, BIG DEAL... 10% of college graduates are total mind numbing clowns, so what.

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
Well, he is certainly pissing off the right people and the usual apologists that WOULD be "offended". He has been slandered and verbally attacked in the past for criticizing Israel....hmmmmm.

That is the case alright, just like John McClane. Then there are the experts who were never there when they were wanted, "I knew the towers were doomed" "They did the job, and withstood the jet impact" (architectural 'telly quotes) ?? The only expert on the ground it seems was Harley Davidson man ?? In the aftermath, people were allowed to reconnoitre ground zero, (a made ecological disaster zone) and in no time at all with the minimum of protection, some with none?? The dancing troupe who were only there to film the event?? The actual scenario was known nearly a decade before, and used by Hollywood at least once??

To speculate, apart from the towers falling, where was the terrorist double blind enacted?? (it's a terrorist MO) was it WT7, WT5, the subterranes?? Most importantly how would those actions of the day possibly enforce the pusuit of power for a non-state terrorist grouping?? because that's what terrorism is all about.

reply to post by kevinunknown


a bit harsh maybe to include castro with stalin and hitler, the man has put forward around 80 per cent of international human rights laws around today, he has also sent doctors all around the world to people in need and helped to educate millions who could not read or write.
i would say that castro was one of the only heads of state in recent years that was actually interested in ethics and not in getting rich. the man used the same car since the seventies and gave almost all of the gifts he received from other nations to museums.

the suprising thing is that your scottish so have been excluded from the almost constant barrage from the american media's persucution of castro.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

autonomously replying and parroting the official narrative ( is there such a thing?).

No, the facts about 9/11 are commonly bunched together and misrepresented and labeled the "official story" as to make it seem like they aren't really valid facts, but 'government facts', so to speak, in an effort to draw in people who have a strong biased personal belief about government and such.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Also if you look at the "debunkers' post histories, such as hooper they do nothing but stay in the 911 section of this site and try to derail any thread. There's so much more on this site guys. lol

How did the terrorists passport survive the flames yet steel was burnt and brought the towers down ?

why do numerous eyewitnesses report they heard several explosions like bombs going off?

why did the building drop at freefall speed ?

why did it come down when other buildings that have burnt for longer did not.

where is the wreckage of the plane hit the pentagon ?
where is the footage of the plane that hit the pentagon ?

At what point of wargames do you realise a freakin plane is headed directly towards the world most protected building ?
How many more millions will they spend to find tim osman cough I mean Bin Laden . ?

reply to post by lewman

Hear hear , there are not many people on ats that like south american leaders, like you say the media has seen to that . I however have respect for people like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez , put it this way they wouldn't lock you up for saying 911 was an inside job because they believe it themselves

reply to post by okbmd


I don't really want to debate the "meteorite" because as I said before, I was not claiming it as proof. I did say that it would be offerred as proof, but I honestly didn't and still don't know enough about it to offer it myself. Again, as I said before I was more interested in pointing out that you dismissed it without giving any reason. The fact of the matter is that it is in fact proof of molten concrete and does in fact show some indications that it may actually contain molten metal, but I know you will not acknowledge that because that is what you are here for. I'm interested to know what the melting point of steel vs the melting point of concrete is, maybe you can tell me. No doubt you will also deny or ignore the testimony at the beginning of this video, but I digress.

As for the firemen , not one single one of them obtained a sample of the alleged "molten steel" , to have it analyzed by a lab to confirm that it was indeed steel

That may very well be true, and certainly the alleged lack of a confirmed sample is problematic when trying to prove it was there, but the lack of publicized confirmed samples is not proof that it wasn't there. Its only proof that there is not a confirmed sample (as far as we know). Furthermore, firefighters aren't there to take samples so that's like saying the electrician didn't show me proof of a plumbing leak, so there is no leak. Beyond that, I think its reasonable to assume that the firefighters themselves never imagined that the gov't would not only disregard their testimony in regards to the molten metal, but would actually say they were wrong; and none of them should have been thinking about disregarding his job so he could find the materials necessary to take a valid sample instead. To put it mildly, your argument here is idiotic.

Your first image does nothing in the way of proving that the material coming from the tower is molten steel . Could be molten xxxxxxx

First off, my first image doesn't show a tower, it shows a rubble pile. Second, I predicted that you would say as much, even though I showed you the picture you were asking for. Who, is deflecting now? There is no way either of us can prove from this picture that it is 100% without a doubt molten steel, but you aren't proving otherwise either. You are dismissing out of hand without any logical reasoning, as you OS supporters always do. Deny Deny Deny!

You say my second image isn't legit, so prove it! Looks legit to me, looks very similar if not exactly like the videos that show molten something pouring out of the side of the building. The third image, to be fair, looks pretty suspect to me as well. In all honesty, it popped up on my google search and I threw it in there for s&g's, but that doesn't have anything at all to do with the rest of the post.

Oh yeah, and where is the proof I asked you for, hmmm? I did my part, now do yours!