The teachings of Christ are logically, intelligently, undeniably the Truth. Test it!

reply to post by IAMIAM


No you dont get it or dont want to.
IF YOU DONT GET IT: What i meant is that many that did nothing wrong die FASTER than other that did something they shouldn't have dont like killing etc.
Of course everyone dies but it does matter when. Oh by the way where does the first born baby go if it dies, heaven? Then why didnt i die when i was born so i could go heaven, whats the difference betwen the baby that died and me? Why the difference?

Okay I usually take a pass on these clearly agenda driver threads but Ill wade in.

Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
Matthew 21:21-22

(Bold mine) Anything you ask for in prayer will be received.......

Your witness

Originally posted by DanUKphd
1. Why do the genealogies of Jesus not match? That is a relevant question and on topic because it establishes who the teacher is.

The teacher is irrelevant. It is the lesson which is under scrutiny.

Originally posted by DanUKphd
2. Walking on water, what's the teaching about there?

This was not a lesson of Christ. This was a vision by one of his followers.

Originally posted by DanUKphd
3. Driving out the money exchangers by using force. What's the teaching here? That we should use force?

They were driven out of the temple. They were there so that people could convert money from the realm and purchase the sacrifices needed for the temple services.

1. God owns everything for he is everything. The only sacrifice he asks for is your love.
2. Money is a system of iniquity and does not belong any place that is for God. He looks at all his children as equals.

With Love,

Your Brother

P.S. Please provide the actual scripture that you question. This way I know exactly what it is you are questioning and how deep to go with an explanation.

Originally posted by StarBoy
No you dont get it or dont want to.
IF YOU DONT GET IT: What i meant is that many that did nothing wrong die FASTER than other that did something they shouldn't have dont like killing etc.
Of course everyone dies but it does matter when. Oh by the way where does the first born baby go if it dies, heaven? Then why didnt i die when i was born so i could go heaven, whats the difference betwen the baby that died and me? Why the difference?

You do not seem to understand the premise of this thread my friend.

You provide the scripture you feel is untrue, and I will explain it logically.

This is not a free for all, bring your life questions here and have them answered thread. Look at Christs teachings, if you feel he taught an untruth, lets discuss it.

With Love,

Your Brother

You say Jesus died for our sins.

I say GOD is powerful enough not to sacrifice anyone for sins. Why would you even consider a perfect living creature like GOD to sacrifice a living creature like Jesus?

Oh and if Jesus died for our sins then does that mean if we dont sin then his death was useless?
Yes i know we were born with sins, even though you cant name me one sin when i was born.

reply to post by IAMIAM


So than it's a good idea for us to pluck out our eyes or remove our limbs if we sin? Because that's what Jesus suggests just after his famous sermon on the mount:

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Jesus may have been wise for his time and certainly some of his teachings are good but there are plenty of questionable things. What about the verse suggesting that we love Jesus more than our own families or else we are not worthy:

37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Is this undeniably the truth?

What of the verses that say ask and ye shall receive? There's an awful lot of prayer going on in the world and an awful lot of it goes unanswered. Clearly Jesus isn't telling the truth there because there are plenty of people who are ill or dying and pray and don't get what they asked for.

reply to post by IAMIAM


Oh comon! It isnt off topic it still relates to Christ and Christianity.

reply to post by IAMIAM


I'm sorry, but could you please provide some sort of proof that these teachings are logically, intelligently, undeniably the truth? I think that's a fairer place to start.

reply to post by IAMIAM


Hello again, IAMIAM. Perhaps you wold like a look at my latest post: HERE

True, the teaching may be good, but the big question is, who wrote them in the first place?
WHO WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT? Seems the Romans did. did the Romans have the best interests in mind for us? Maybe so, maybe no.

reply to post by IAMIAM


I doubt there is any teaching a person can find in the KJV to be untrue. Christ is who He said He is. "I AM." Atheists don't believe the bible not because of 'contradictions' or false teachings but because they don't want to believe. I'm afraid most people in this forum would rather poke fun at your faith than actually debate it. But remember brother- every time we are assaulted in Christs name, whether physically or by words we receive blessings in Heaven.

11`Happy are ye whenever they may reproach you, and may persecute, and may say any evil thing against you falsely for my sake --

12rejoice ye and be glad, because your reward [is] great in the heavens, for thus did they persecute the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5)

Originally posted by FredT
Okay I usually take a pass on these clearly agenda drive threads but Ill wade in.

Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
Matthew 21:21-22

(Bold mine) Anything you ask for in prayer will be received.......

Your witness

Thank you for providing the scripture you question my friend. This particular passage is about trusting in Christs teachings. His teachings were of love for one another and equality. He demonstrated what he could do alone with his faith on the fig tree, which was a small miracle meant to cement in the mind of his followers what they could do working together in love and equality. Thus, if they loved God and one another, there is nothing they would not accomplish. They could even move a mountain into the sea if that was their desire. If you ask for it, believe it, and it shall be done. Haven't we seen this proved in our life times? How many mountains has man parted to make way for roads and rail roads? First someone wanted it done. Then he asked it to be done, believing it would be done. Then others made it happen. We work together to accomplish Gods will.

Can you convince others to help you on a project without believing it to be successful yourself?

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM
You provide the scripture you feel is untrue, and I will explain it logically.

I will repeat

Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
Matthew 21:21-22

(Bold mine) Anything you ask for in prayer will be received....... Clearly NOT true

Your witness

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
I'm sorry, but could you please provide some sort of proof that these teachings are logically, intelligently, undeniably the truth? I think that's a fairer place to start.

I'd have to write a book my friend. If I were to right a book I'd be misunderstood as far as motive goes. It is far easier for one to provide what they feel is false and take it from there than it is for me to list all of his parables and my interpretations.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
So than it's a good idea for us to pluck out our eyes or remove our limbs if we sin? Because that's what Jesus suggests just after his famous sermon on the mount:

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

My friend, it is our judgements of this existence that brings us such hell. If you cast aside your judgements you will see quite clearly that this existence is heaven. Everything we need is provided for right here on earth in this very physical body. We even have a mind capable of unraveling it's mysteries and using that knowledge to heal one another and even stop death. We do not do so because we are distracted judging instead of learning. We are too busy condemning instead of loving. So YES, if your right eye offends thee pluck it out. (if you see something as evil get rid of that judgement)

Originally posted by Titen-SxullJesus may have been wise for his time and certainly some of his teachings are good but there are plenty of questionable things. What about the verse suggesting that we love Jesus more than our own families or else we are not worthy:

37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Is this undeniably the truth?

Yes it is truth. You should love no one more than another. We are all equal. Is your mother or father worth more to you than the farmer who provides you sustenance, the doctor who heals you, the wife who adores you? No! Love them all equally with all your heart!

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
What of the verses that say ask and ye shall receive? There's an awful lot of prayer going on in the world and an awful lot of it goes unanswered. Clearly Jesus isn't telling the truth there because there are plenty of people who are ill or dying and pray and don't get what they asked for.

If we loved one another like CHrist taught us too, there would not be a Brother or Sister in the world you could not turn to in your time of need and have your prayers answered. This is the divine plan.

With Love,

Your Brother

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Matthew 21:21-22 (New King James Version)

21 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done. 22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”

I do believe Jesus meant what He said. If your faith in Jesus is strong enough you can do anything. Yes. ANYTHING. Now remember Peter who walked on water with Jesus, He was only able to do this after spending years watching Him heal people and do miracles. And even after all of that He still doubted for a second and started to sink. Now how much more difficult would it be for us to have that kind of faith when we have never even seen Jesus. People often try to explain away what Jesus said saying oh well he meant this or that....Sometimes He meant what He said literally.

Originally posted by autowrench
True, the teaching may be good, but the big question is, who wrote them in the first place?
WHO WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT? Seems the Romans did. did the Romans have the best interests in mind for us? Maybe so, maybe no.

I tell you truly my friend, if it were discovered that the lessons of Christ were hand written by Satan himself, today I would be a Satanist.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by freedish
I do believe Jesus meant what He said. If your faith in Jesus is strong enough you can do anything. Yes. ANYTHING. Now remember Peter who walked on water with Jesus, He was only able to do this after spending years watching Him heal people and do miracles. And even after all of that He still doubted for a second and started to sink. Now how much more difficult would it be for us to have that kind of faith when we have never even seen Jesus. People often try to explain away what Jesus said saying oh well he meant this or that....Sometimes He meant what He said literally.

My friend, there are a lot of exagerations and embellishments written into the Bible as a way to give validity to Christs teachings at a time when Men were far less educated. I do not believe Christ walked on water or flew through the sky, nor do I believe that man is capable of super human feats through sheer belief alone.

I believe there is a distinct moral lesson that runs through Christs teachings and that is the truth concealed in the myth that is Christ.

Just clarifying my take on the subject.

With Love,

Your Brother

i guess what first has to be established is

are they the teachings of jesus or the teachings of whom ever wrote the text in which they describe a teaching of jesus ,

i say this because while one might write kind and logical assumptions on how to behave, in the same texts there are barbaric teachings, by the same writers

how can you stone an child for being loud mouth and at the same time spread love and turn the cheek ,
you have freewill yet bound to commandments,

it just makes no sence,

as for the prayer thing , pray and you shall receive ,
i was under the impression worship used to be work ship
so in a sence : do your work/labour/shores and you get results ,

sorry for not bringing anything of value to the discussion ,

The teachings of Christ can also be found, for example, in Buddhism...
(Popular speculation says he may have even studied Buddhism.)

Wisdom can be found almost anywhere it is sought.
There's no need to rely on one source for spiritual nourishment.

Originally posted by StarBoy
You say Jesus died for our sins.

No I didn't, you said this. Christ did not die for our sins, he died to demonstrate how NOT to Sin.

Originally posted by StarBoy
I say GOD is powerful enough not to sacrifice anyone for sins. Why would you even consider a perfect living creature like GOD to sacrifice a living creature like Jesus?

Again, I never said this.

Originally posted by StarBoy
Oh and if Jesus died for our sins then does that mean if we dont sin then his death was useless?
Yes i know we were born with sins, even though you cant name me one sin when i was born.

Whoever said you are born with sin knows not what sin is. Sin is that which you do which harms another. You are not born with sin, but you learn to sin soon after birth.

With Love,

Your Brother