The mason's supreme being?

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
In the Scottish Rite, they tell you that the GAOTU is a blank space for you to write in whatever God you want when you are doing Masonic prayer. Don't let them fool you, though, Freemasonry IS a religion and their God is not the Christian, Jewish, Islamic, etc. God, but a pagan God.

don't let people who are not part of the organization tell you about the inside of the organization. I have seen the shuttle launch, but I do not claim to be able to fly it.

Freemasonry is NOT a religion and the GAOTU is the God of your respective religion. Freemasonry does not have a God. For example, I am Christian, so I call God, "God". A Muslim mason would call him "Allah". I believe he is the same guy.

Please, at some point you have to actually look this stuff up. Firing from the hip with a collection of stuff you made up is getting so old.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

In the Scottish Rite, they tell you that the GAOTU is a blank space for you to write in whatever God you want when you are doing Masonic prayer.

In the Scottish Rite, we tell people no such thing.

Not exactly "who" but simply the ability to accept that there "is".

reply to post by Masonic Light


Focus on the word itself, it creates a blank space in the mind with which to fill your thoughts.

Originally posted by Serizawa
reply to post by agentblue

 

There is no way you're a 33rd degree. How long have you been in freemasonry? And saying that I've got it all wrong is like saying Albert Pike didn't know what he was talking about. Surely if you were a 33rd degree mason you would have understood. You are probably still in the blue degrees, or a troll.

You are so funny!

You don't know what the truth is but you know what the truth isn't? That's what's known as the Blue Pill Philosophy (aka: Closed Minded Philosophy).

What was said was on the money but since you are not in the KNOW, you don't know! As to whether or not the poster is a 33 degree or not, doesn't matter, they know the truth.

Lastly, dew you know there is a Double-Ought Degree Mason (Double-Zero)? Bet you haven't heard of that degree but only the 33 Degree Masons know of it!

Ribbit

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
In the Scottish Rite, they tell you that the GAOTU is a blank space for you to write in whatever God you want when you are doing Masonic prayer. Don't let them fool you, though, Freemasonry IS a religion and their God is not the Christian, Jewish, Islamic, etc. God, but a pagan God.

don't let people who are not part of the organization tell you about the inside of the organization. I have seen the shuttle launch, but I do not claim to be able to fly it.

Freemasonry is NOT a religion and the GAOTU is the God of your respective religion. Freemasonry does not have a God. For example, I am Christian, so I call God, "God". A Muslim mason would call him "Allah". I believe he is the same guy.

Please, at some point you have to actually look this stuff up. Firing from the hip with a collection of stuff you made up is getting so old.

Well said!

There is ONLY One God and She is Love!

Ribbit

reply to post by ButtUglyToad

If only the 33rds know about it how did this fall into your lap? Are you a 33rd?

There appear to be a LOT of freemasons here. When will you guys set up freemasons for 911 truth ? With your resources and connections i believe good work would be achieved. You might even get more members to join you as a result .
Great idea huh ? .........

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by ButtUglyToad

 

If only the 33rds know about it how did this fall into your lap? Are you a 33rd?

There's ONE more 11th Degree Mason you aren't aware of. A 33 Degree Mason is the 3rd 11th Degree, so can you figure out the other 11th Degree?

Ribbit

reply to post by vcwxvwligen

Those that do not adhere to our traditions and practices are not recognized. They are called irregular or clandestine Masonry.

The Grand Orient is also suffering for members as well. They are also expanding into some "citizen" non-Mason Mason or whatever it is.

We don't say that the "GAOTU" is a blank space. We don't dictate what one's belief is, but that they just believe in something; no atheists. Nowhere in any of our ritual do we dictate who God is nor do we ever say he is anything other than what the candidate/member believes. We are not a religion as we do not meet the basic requirement to be religion. This has been explained to you many times before.

Originally posted by KSigMason
Nowhere in any of our ritual do we dictate who God is nor do we ever say he is anything other than what the candidate/member believes.

I have to disagree with this, at least in part. While it is true that we do not dictate religious beliefs, it is also true that the God recognized in Masonic ritual is the God of the patriarchs. When our lectures speak of God choosing Solomon to build the Temple at Jerusalem, of God leading the Children of Israel through the wilderness, or God speaking to the Prophet Amos, it is quite obvious we aren't talking about Zeus or Poseidon.

reply to post by Masonic Light


I was kind of under the assumption that no matter what religion or religious belief people have, the object of their worship is the same no matter what. We, as humans with small brains, need to personalize it/him so we give him names, but in reality, they are all the same name. And when we find our way to the next stage of our journey, that answer will be clear, but not until then.

Originally posted by network dude
I was kind of under the assumption that no matter what religion or religious belief people have, the object of their worship is the same no matter what. We, as humans with small brains, need to personalize it/him so we give him names, but in reality, they are all the same name. And when we find our way to the next stage of our journey, that answer will be clear, but not until then.

That assumption, however, belongs to you, and many would steadfastly disagree. For example, the Christian could point out the Scripture that says there is no other name in heaven and earth whereby a man might be saved but Jesus....so to him, obviously, names matter.

Regardless, Masonic ritual recognizes the God of the Patriarchs. This is true of the Craft degrees, as well as the so-called higher degrees of all Rites, some of which are emphatically Christian, having naturally evolved from the Old Testament-dominated Craft degrees. That much, at least, cannot be denied by anyone who has passed the degrees. In modern times there has been a tendency to downplay this outside of the ritual, which, in my opinion, results from a somewhat misguided attempt to make Masonry all things to all people.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by KSigMason
Nowhere in any of our ritual do we dictate who God is nor do we ever say he is anything other than what the candidate/member believes.

I have to disagree with this, at least in part. While it is true that we do not dictate religious beliefs, it is also true that the God recognized in Masonic ritual is the God of the patriarchs. When our lectures speak of God choosing Solomon to build the Temple at Jerusalem, of God leading the Children of Israel through the wilderness, or God speaking to the Prophet Amos, it is quite obvious we aren't talking about Zeus or Poseidon.

You are reading into the Rules and violating them in the process!

www.masonicinfo.com...

"The organization - FREEMASONRY - has no "god", no religion, no theology, no dogma, no creed...."

Your comment of "it is quite obvious we aren't talking about Zeus or Poseidon" qualifies as theology, because Zeus & Poseidon both qualify as a Supreme Being and it is further stated:

"Freemasons however do profess a belief in a Supreme Being."

So your comment is your opinion and not that of the Masons! They stay neutral as much as possible and your comments are far from neutral.

Ribbit

reply to post by Masonic Light

You are very correct on the use of the God of Abraham in Masonic tradition (for obvious reasons).

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Your comment of "it is quite obvious we aren't talking about Zeus or Poseidon" qualifies as theology, because Zeus & Poseidon both qualify as a Supreme Being and it is further stated:

I think you're missing the point...

A Mason can be any religion he chooses. However, the ritual refers to the God of the old testament in its allegories - Solomon, the King of Tyre etc. are all characters of the old testament.

Still, although the allegories are biblical by nature, the lessons taught in those allegories, which illustrate moral and social virtues, do not belong to any one religion.

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

So your comment is your opinion and not that of the Masons!

They stay neutral as much as possible and your comments are far from neutral.

My comments are based on the Ritual, and all the historical documents of Ancient Freemasonry.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

So your comment is your opinion and not that of the Masons!

They stay neutral as much as possible and your comments are far from neutral.

My comments are based on the Ritual, and all the historical documents of Ancient Freemasonry.

Saurus said the same thing. That's understandable.

Ribbit

No Architect. No Craft. It should be as simple as that. Seems pretty innocuous doesn't it? The Freemasons would argue with me If I were to say that they worship Tubal Cain. So I will just say that he is in the pantheon...

Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceedingly wicked, every one successively dying one after the other, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behaviour, in acting unjustly, and doing injury for gain.

Josephus
Antiquities of the Jews, A.D. 93

And when Cain had travelled over many countries, he, with his wife, built a city, named Nod, which is a place so called, and there he settled his abode; where also he had children. However, he did not accept of his punishment in order to ammendment, but to increase his wickedness; for he only aimed to procure everything that was for his own bodily pleasure, though it obliged him to be injurious to his neighbours. He augmented his household substance with much wealth, by rapine and violence; he excited his acquaintance to procure pleasures and spoils of robbery, and became a great leader of men into wicked courses. He also introduced a change in that way of simplicity wherein men lived before; and was the author of measures and weights. And whereas they lived innocently and generously while they knew nothing of such arts, he changed the world into cunning craftiness. He first of all set boundaries about lands; he built a city, and fortified it with walls, and he compelled his family to come together to it; and called that city Enoch, after the name of his eldest son Enoch. Now Jared was the son of Enoch; whose son was Malaleel; whose son was Mathusela; whose son was Lamech; who had seventy-seven children by two wives, Silla and Ada. Of those children by Ada, one was Jabal; he erected tents, and loved the life of a shepherd. But Jubal, who was born of the same mother with him, exercised himself in music; and invented the psaltery and the harp. But Tubal, one of his children by the other wife, exceeded all men in strength, and was very expert and famous in martial performances. He procured what tended to the pleasures of the body by that method; and first of all invented the art of making brass. Lamech was also the father of a daughter, whose name was Naamah; and because that he knew he was to be punished for Cains's murder of his brother, he made that known to his wives. Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceedingly wicked, every one successively dying one after the other, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behaviour, in acting unjustly, and doing injury for gain.

- Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, A.D. 93

reply to post by Reptius


First off I wanna assume that not all masons are pedophiles, traumatizers, implant chippers, thieves, rapists, snakes, actors, and the like. Also from my understanding, you have to believe in one of their made-up gods. If the masons are such a unified organization, then why all the division? Lodges for black masons, lodges for the chinese, lodges for the hasidic jews, etc? Is it really any different than a "christian" fighting for christ, a muslim fighting for Mohammed and/or Allah?

If i knew i could change things then maybe i would join. If i dont have to give bloody oaths, then maybe i would join. Until then, i'm just gonna stalk the stalker and treat my fellow human and/or cyborg the same as i would like to be treated but if i feel i'm being treated unfairly, i will dish it back.

Freemasonry is the biggest religion in the world because they dont care what god you believe in as long as you believe on their grounds. When i was standing proud for Jesus, i wasnt commended, i was raped, verbally attacked, and stalked. I have no shame for the actions of a scum bag. I may of lost my faith in a god they created thousands of years ago but i still think, what would a boss like Jesus do? He would stand up to tyrants. He wouldnt reason with self proclaimed rulers of the world. He would know that all the power in them is in him as well. He damn sure wouldnt lay down and die either!