Man Faces Jail After Protecting Home From Masked Attackers (with video footage)

arrested for defending youself and your property??? id have shot them all instead of firing warning shots perhaps the cops and state lawyers need their house attacked in the same manner so they too can be arrested for defending themselves or would they kick back and watch the flames....i would be going off the wall at these supposed cops i hope this guy sues the pants off these supposed law enforcement officals and the media and politicians wonder why people are going off the deep end PEOPLE CANT EVEN DEFEND THEMSELVES ANYMORE while being screwed financially by local and federal government/greed ..GOD BLESS AMERICA what a fking joke

wait was this in america? i saw niagra something or another so is that a border town or is it canada?

reply to post by xalaran


I guess for me it comes down to, what was he shooting at? You can't start randomly firing shots off in a neighbor hood. That's the the charge is coming from, his actions potentially put anyone within range at risk. now if he popped the dirtbags i think it would be a different story. But as you see, or don't, in the video, it cuts out before he comes out with a gun, so we really don't know what happened, obviously the cops do, and that's probably why the video cuts out where it does.

Sure, I'd protect my self and family, don't really give a # about property, that's pointless crap that insurance can replace. But if I come out randomly shooting (which he probably did) I'd expect to be up on reckless endangerment at least.

I'd still do it, but I see where they are coming from with the charges, say what you will, there's nothing in that video in relation to the shooting, so all of your opinions are just that, and meaningless when it comes to the law.

I'm having a hard time believing 3 guys would attempt to firebomb some dude over a chicken. WTF is that about?

P.S. happened in Canada

Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by hiii_98

 

He killed their chicken that was in his yard. He did this after asking them to keep said animal in their yard. I would hardly call shooting a chicken a good reason to firebomb a man while he lays sleeping.

Have you ever thought that the man may be a hoarder or picker that has had problems with theft? Could it be that he has been harrassed before and had the cameras for protective reasons? No he had a less than spectacularly maintained yard and cameras. He must be a criminal.

Your post reeks of ignorance. You have no proof that this man has ever done anything criminal. Yet you claim he deserves jail because he must be guilty of something he hasn't been caught doing. That kind of thinking is what leads to the loss of all liberty.

"Well we'll just lock you up for a couple of weeks."
"Why officer?"
"Well you had an alarm system, security cameras, and a gun."
"I owned them all legally."
"Yeah but that combination means you must be guilty of a crime we haven't caught you doing. So, we'll just lock you up as a deterent to your future criminal enterprises."
"Where is your evidence that I did anything wrong?"
"We don't need it. You just happen to posess the right combination of legal devices. Don't worry two weeks out of work and away from your family won't disrupt your life or hurt your professional prospects."

On top of that he has no right to defend his life because he must be guilty of a crime that there is no evidence to support. Wow. Very rarely am I so shocked by something on ATS.

Very well said. I especially like the conversation you made up haha! sad its true though...

reply to post by Loki Lyesmyth


Yes but your right doesn't negate the other peoples right to life, my point being, we don't see the shooting, we don't see how that went down, as charges have been laid, i suspect he was blinding firing as he came out side, putting anyone within range at risk.

A dude firebombs your house, you come out firing and clip your neighbors kid, guess who's up for manslaughter at least? YOU

Perhaps he should have put in 2 or 3 blank rounds to fire off as a warning and be prepared with the real rounds if they did not flee? Perhaps he should have told the authorities that - that is what he did, dunno just random thought.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by LiquidAsh

 

If a person whose home is being fire-bombed by multiple masked assailants doesn't have the right to defend his life with a firearm, I really don't know who does.

I completely agree. The worst part is, is this guy came to the police with his security footage, explains the situation, and then he is the one who is charged.

Imagine if these people lit his house on fire while he was sleeping, killed him/his family/his animal(s)... what would everyone be saying then? Too bad he wasn't awake to take them out?

A lot of ignorant comments here.

The man who shot warning shots into the air is a very decent man. He is actually a hunting firearms instructor in Ontario, and has a very good rep. He has cameras on his property because he owns quite a few guns, farming equipment (as you can see in the video) plus he is in the boonies, and emergency response time is long.

IMO he did not do anything wrong. Hopefully his lawyer can get him off.

reply to post by InnerTruths


He made ONE mistake: he let them walk away to testify against him. Dead men tell no tales.

Originally posted by InnerTruths
A lot of ignorant comments here.

The man who shot warning shots into the air is a very decent man. He is actually a hunting firearms instructor in Ontario, and has a very good rep. He has cameras on his property because he owns quite a few guns, farming equipment (as you can see in the video) plus he is in the boonies, and emergency response time is long.

IMO he did not do anything wrong. Hopefully his lawyer can get him off.

I indeed hope that a jury of Canadians; if it comes to that, are square with the difference between the letter and intent of a law.

I own guns for the same reasons I live on a farm in the boonies - 45 min from Sheriff’s office.

Might take them a long time to get here and even 2 minutes is a long time to fight for one's life -especially for my 5" wife and 13 year old daughter. Been in a lot of fire fights in my life and most don’t last all that long at close range. Long range engagements last a while as there is a lot of duck and covering but within 100-200 yards it’s likely the snap fire technique is all you are going to get before one person or the other goes down.

Beside’s I’d come out shooting if I didn’t know which direction they were coming from because it would either be suppressive (if you have an idea what being shot at is like you can hear a near miss) in nature or gets the bad guys attention so you can find out where they are.

If it’s that rural then who is he putting in danger exactly? I walk out my back door and shoot and endanger no one but the trees; maybe one of my stupid cows if I shoot in the direction of their walk-in.

Originally posted by sakokrap
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

I think the lesson we're supposed to learn from this is- do not take a gun to a fire fight. Now... if the homeowner would have filled a super soaker with kerosene and douched the marauding brigands, he likely would have been ok.

Irrespective of the law (can I say that without getting some serious trouble?), there is a philosophical issue here.

1. Is it ethical to protect your property from felony destruction (arson)?
2. Is it ethical to use potentially lethal force to defend your property?

The answers will vary, and the basic value of contention will be (once again) responsibility. In one camp, people will say it is ethical to protect your property, although not with potentially lethal force. The basic value these folks will likely share is the communal responsibility to ensure just restitution for the victim of the damage. On the other side, others will agree that it is perfectly ethical to kill a man dead who is trying to burn down the house that shelters you from the elements. These people will likely have a value of personal responsibility to ensure justice is done.

Personally, I find it strange that in a world of a surplus of people, masses of starving children in Africa, street kids in Mexico City and Istanbul, teen girls subjected to sex slavery.... that some people would hold dear the value of a human life that feels confident enough to walk around and firebomb someone's house. I hold the value of personal responsibility, and feel that a man such as this firebomber isn't worth the value of the home that shelters me from the elements.

... in this new age dawning, where police and fire are getting laid off in droves, it makes you wonder why this guy just didn't do what they do in Montana- "Shoot, shovel, shut up"...

So, I suppose what we should all do is get some tranquilizer guns and put the attackers to sleep, then call all your buddies over to draw with sharpie markers all over their faces while you wait for the police to arrive.

I'm being completely serious.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


The moral of this story: If I'm going to go to JAIL over taking care of my own business, I'll have to make sure there's no need for the opposition forces to go to jail.

Wouldn't want to have a jailhouse run-in with them, now would we?

As an added bonus, if they are incapable of leaving the scene, it makes ID so much easier, and of course they can't carry off the evidence....

Yeah, if I'm going to jail for it, might as well make it worth the trip.

OK this is ridiculous, when someone is trying to burn down the building you and your family are in , it is attempted murder, he was more than justified in actually shooting them, my 12 ga would have been emptied on each one of them. They were lucky they just got a warning shot!!!! Put yourself in this situation, who knows what they had planned next. Canada is more F'd up than I thought!!!!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DrumsRfun

 

Could you contact the subject of the article and let him know he would fit right in here in Florida, or over in Texas?

I know there's only about 25 of you in Canada anyhow, surely you know one another.

J/K

I don't know a lot about Canadian laws, but I am surprised that it isn't more wide open? All the rural area, hunting, wildlife, and overall mountaineering up there seems to support laws resembling Texas more than laws resembling the UK? I guess we just don't understand it.

I agree with you wholeheartedly! Here in FL, there are no people firebombing houses. Those "strict gun laws" in some of our states and apparently Canada, are what let criminals do whatever they want to do. That is why in states like Mass the gun-related crime rates are way higher than Texas, Florida, etc... Criminals are more likely to rob, kill, etc.. in those strict states because they know there is a MUCH higher chance of their victims not owning any guns.. Cowards..

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
This was done in Canada and we have different gun laws.
I have found someone in my home once and laid a whooping on him without charges.
I agree with the authorities on this one...take his guns away.
This was an ongoing dispute with his neighbor and regardless of the situation...pulling a gun was a bad call on his part.
There is warranted force and unwarranted force....pulling a gun was not the right decision in my opinion.
We aren't Americans...our laws are different for a reason...if the first thing this guy thought of was to pull a gun then I am glad they have been taken away.

No offence to our gun toting American friends.

edit on 24-1-2011 by DrumsRfun because: (no reason given)

When is force warranted then? After you've burnt to death? After you've had to stand by and watch your house, and everything you own, rest in a pile of ashes? After your family is burnt to death?

What does it take to justify getting off your ass and not putting up with people directing deadly force at YOU?

Originally posted by DrumsRfun

I would have grabbed a hose before a gun and would have been on the phone with 911.
But then again I have had experience dealing with cops on similiar things and learned what not to do and that is taking the law into my own hands.

Ee's an 'ell of a man, guv'ner!

Your gonna garden hose a fire with one hand, talk the cops in with the other, all the while fending off the molotovs thrown at YOU (remember, to hose down the fire you have to go outside where it is, and where THEY are) with... what? A spare foot?

S'ok, I reckon. That still leaves you one leg to balance on...

Yessir, you're an 'ell of a man!

Originally posted by jerryk42

Originally posted by SSDDay
reply to post by kerazeesicko

 

Blood thirsty? He didn't even shoot anyone... There were half a dozen men with covered faces throwing fire bombs... I bet you are man enough to beat em all up though right? LOL

Your post left me speechless. Little to much Canadian television I guess.

We are NOT all like that. BTW our tv sucks, we usually watch yours.

edit on 25-1-2011 by jerryk42 because: spelling

I was referring to YOU not Canadians. Actually I'd prefer to live Canada over the U.S. after living in it the past 10 years. Everyone seems to think they have Americans all figured out... We are all rather diverse and unique, however there seems to be a lot of ignorance in the ages from 30-50. The Americans I know between the ages 17-30ish (friends) are not McDonalds eating, eager to pull the trigger, procrastinating, fat bastards, but quite the opposite. Sad how everyone seems to think they need to stereotype other countries across the map. We are all but the same.

this is so stupid, i feel dumb for living in canada now..hmm something like this happend to me in Alberta,Canada when i was working there in some small town called Fox creek, i was working in the oil fields..and yeah there some annoying people who think they "tough" kept fkin around, so one day they harassed me like knock on the door in middle of night and #, kick my door so one day it was at 4am and i was sick of it i came out with my 9 and shot at them, my intention was to kill them but luckily for them i missed lol. laid about 5 shots at them, but police never got involved and the people never bothered me again! so kudos to guns

Originally posted by deepred

ETA This man just lived thru a terrorist attack upon himself and his home, I haved watched enough MSM news to know that masked men throwing bombs are terrorists, i hope he doesn't follow the example set by the USA or there will be SHOCK AND AWE at the neibors place.

I like the way you think. Whip up a batch of ANFO, get some batteries, wire, a handful of model rocket igniters and some rifle cartridges (pull them bullets,though - wouldn't want to run afoul of the firearms laws!) A couple of galvanized funnels (to "shape" the charge, heh, heh...) and some fishing line, and he ought to be able to fix 'em up right - while at the same time obeying the firearms laws, and staying away from those mean old guns!

Guns 're dangerous, y'know?

Heh, on a somewhat lighter note, I have a feeling that an event like this would be much less likely to happen to BEGIN with in the states, due to so many citizens being armed to the teeth.

Those dudes wouldn't be so brazen strutting around like that, without a care in the world, if they knew the person person sitting in the house had a scope fixed on them. lol.

But then again, the perpetrators themselves would probably be armed too.

Just amazing that folks get this worked up over neighboring disagreements and behavior. Sigh.

reply to post by SSDDay


I think you misunderstand - I am one of those frostbitten Canadians
And I agree we are all the same - just the geography that separates us.