Man Faces Jail After Protecting Home From Masked Attackers (with video footage)

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
This was done in Canada and we have different gun laws.
I have found someone in my home once and laid a whooping on him without charges.
I agree with the authorities on this one...take his guns away.
This was an ongoing dispute with his neighbor and regardless of the situation...pulling a gun was a bad call on his part.
There is warranted force and unwarranted force....pulling a gun was not the right decision in my opinion.
We aren't Americans...our laws are different for a reason...if the first thing this guy thought of was to pull a gun then I am glad they have been taken away.

No offence to our gun toting American friends.

edit on 24-1-2011 by DrumsRfun because: (no reason given)

I'm Australian.... we are not allowed guns here. But if a dispute with a neigbor turned to them bombing my house with molotov's??? possibly killing my animals?!?

The whole house could have set onfire, i'd not have gone out for fear they'd try to douse me with petrol and set me on fire. (did you not notice they were letting the petrol flow across his yard and over the cars, garden beds, etc as well? I have no doubts whatsoever that after they finished walking off the property they lit the petrol trail - or would have if the guy had of come out of his home in this case.)


Without a gun, given the same situation, probably a high chance i would have died. They diddnt go into his house because of the gun. He did not want to shoot them, thats why he was firing "recklessly"


but god damn, knowing damned if i do damned if i dont - i if i was him - i'd have Chased after them with the gun definately, try to get them to stop. if they did not i'd try to shoot one in the legs. then called an ambulance. Then walked back outside with a Cigar, lighter, and a stool to sit on. Drop stool down safe distance away, and put cigar in mouth, hold lighter in 1 hand, hold gun pointed at them in other, wait for cops and ambulance to rock up. heh.

reply to post by jerryk42


I think you misunderstand. I know you're Canadian, but I was simply trying to say you're an idiot, as in I don't blame Canadians for your silly remarks about fist fighting several masked men with fire bombs. I mean seriously? Damn those blood thirsty gun owners.

Would like to add: One reason most Americans are armed is because our goverment is heavily armed and run by tyrants. Protection from intruders and theifs is a secondary reason to arm myself.
Canada has what.. 1 tank? Same with other countries that don't allow their civilians to be armed, they have little to be afraid of -- In terms of their leaders.

Listen to all of you.
Dont you already realise that this country is going wrong????
There is no right or wrong......
Soon you will understand when only the Army SS USA Corporation will own you all including the fellow follower Oh CANADA
Honnestly i rather get out of the country then complaining..
Do you guy need the picture again that this country slowly its turning into NAZI Style.
Where only corporation rule.

Not the law of the jungle. but the law of justice......

The picture is you do not take control of your life we do..

Stay dumb, dont fight, work like a slave and died old..... make the system run...either way we are so much in this planet so do they really care if you died? The awsner is NO.

You protect your life kill and go to jail and may died or died in the silent.

What a sick world....

.

Wake up.....

i wont be dumb --- suprise when the true will come...

In the states this would not be an issue. It is reasonable to think that masked intruders throwing flaming cocktails at his house intended to kill this man and his family. He has a right to defend himself and family but unfortunatly this is Canada....

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Ok yea that is seriously messed up if they were doing that to my home. That is threating the life and safety of himself and family. My understanding is that you should only use a firearm if your life is in danger. I would say that this definitely qualifies as his life being in danger. WTF is wrong with the cops these days. Criminals are getting more and more protection then they are punishment these days.

I remember a cop told my dad once after a break in that if he were to shoot the purpetrator that he needed to make sure they fell in the house and not outside, because if they fell outside then it would be him that was breaking the law or some BS like that. Also in my state there is no law for self defense. So basically if you defend yourself there is actually nothing in the state laws that defend you.

Originally posted by nohumanintentions
i was personally told by an officer that if someone was ever breaking in or assulting the house to shoot him and drag him inside the house. appearently if the perp is inside the residence its ol to defend yourself and your property. atleast in delaware anyways

Here in NC, someone near and dear to me was told he same thing by a sheriff's deputy, who really ought to have known better. You'd think if he was going to enforce the law, he'd at least have a familiarity with it.

If you have to shoot someone, and then you drag them ANYWHERE, you have just committed the crime of "tampering with a crime scene", which paradoxically wasn't a crime scene at all until you tampered with it. The tampering itself, trying to conceal/stack evidence in your favor (unnecessarily, I might add) screws up investigations, and pisses off investigators - and DA's too. Never a good idea to piss off those folks.

Evidence of the dragging will most definitely be abundant. No way you can erase all that, too. That leads to a line of questioning where you are questioned as to what it was you're trying to hide...

Nope. They key is, to make sure you have reason to fear for your life, then drop 'em wherever they are, and let 'em stay where they lay.

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
This was done in Canada and we have different gun laws.
I have found someone in my home once and laid a whooping on him without charges.
I agree with the authorities on this one...take his guns away.
This was an ongoing dispute with his neighbor and regardless of the situation...pulling a gun was a bad call on his part.
There is warranted force and unwarranted force....pulling a gun was not the right decision in my opinion.
We aren't Americans...our laws are different for a reason...if the first thing this guy thought of was to pull a gun then I am glad they have been taken away.

No offence to our gun toting American friends.

edit on 24-1-2011 by DrumsRfun because: (no reason given)

dude, if someone throwing molotov cocktails at your house, while you're in it, meaning, they were trying to burn you alive, isn't a reason to pull a gun, then NO reason is good enough. are you kidding me? he should have had the right to whack every effin' one of the people trying to burn him down. wow. and he faces charges?

Originally posted by SSDDay
reply to post by jerryk42

 

I think you misunderstand. I know you're Canadian, but I was simply trying to say you're an idiot, as in I don't blame Canadians for your silly remarks about fist fighting several masked men with fire bombs. I mean seriously? Damn those blood thirsty gun owners.

Would like to add: One reason most Americans are armed is because our goverment is heavily armed and run by tyrants. Protection from intruders and theifs is a secondary reason to arm myself.
Canada has what.. 1 tank? Same with other countries that don't allow their civilians to be armed, they have little to be afraid of -- In terms of their leaders.

edit on 25-1-2011 by SSDDay because: (no reason given)

I am an Idiot???? WTF? I think you are seriously lacking in reading comprehension - how do I get involved with the fistfighting masked men???
We are allowed to have guns same as you except we can't walk around with handguns like you. If you do the research you may find that we have more guns per capita than Americans do. Your best comment is one tank????
You may want to look in the mirror before you start calling people derogatory names. Have a nice day

His only mistake is he didn't kill them then bury their body's or feed em to the dogs. That said why he was not allowed to fire his gun to scare them off with what they where doing they put lives at risk if that was me I don't think I could of been so lenient

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Damn...gun owners sure are bloodthirsty. You all sound like you would kill for the pleasure...nut the justice.

So I take it that you somehow perceive "justice" in just sitting back and "dying like a man" when miscreants come to burn down your house? How amazingly civil of you!

Hey man up...we canadians do not need guns to feel like men up here...we usually settle things with our fists if need be. We do not run for a weapon when things get a little tense.

Yeah. We have a few of those wannabe "bad asses" around here, too. It's been said, with some justification, that they are engaging in "the final fantasy". Whatever floats yer boat, man.

Stay cowards and let us canadians deal with these guys the way we see fit...

Sure thing - it's your funeral, not mine. If you think going to jail because YOU were victimized is in some way "dealing with these guys", then go for it. Jail is probably the safest place for your sort - the REAL world is a dangerous place, not to be engaged with by wannabes living out their fantasies of being "he men".

if you look on the net...you will find stories of us...beating intruders in our houses...they are a dime a dozen up here...

Yeah. If we look on the net, we can find all KINDS of stories, most of which are fictional fantasy. Here's a clue for the clueless: just because it's on the 'net doesn't make it true.

sure we have gun violence..thats usually because some punk has watched a little too much american television...where they glorify gun violence. I will not reply back. I feel cowards do not deserve a reply....

I replied because I feel that wannabes deserve to be laughed at. It amuses me. Oh, another thing - shooting (your mouth off) then running isn't the bravest of acts that I've witnessed just today... "cowards" indeed...

Haha, the American law is so messed up I'm sure it's made by ants.

Well hard to say what the REAL circumstance is,
however if it was legitimate and the men were meaning to harm him,
then Id say he had every right to defend himself.
All I could say to that is he should have invited them into his house,.
then made them disappear

where is the rest of the video showing the shots being fired. what happened before this? there isnt enough information here to find out what happened.

Originally posted by Primordial

Equal force. What if an incredibly polite criminal walks into your house and asks nicely if they could go through your house and remove all your valuables? He states he will not hurt you in any way physically. He then proceeds to start packing up your stuff. Damn, now what. If you forcibly remove him from your house YOU have now escalated the situation and could be arrested for assault. Yeah, stupid but think about it.

Probably best for him if he takes his politeness elsewhere, since in that situation I'm not disposed towards politeness. When the police arrive, he WILL be armed, but in no condition to tell his side of the tale.

Well, I would bet that he doesn't do any jail time. If that happened to me & mine, it would have been their last time. I would like to know what state that was in, and what county, if anyone has any skinny on that.

Originally posted by hiii_98
reply to post by VI0811

 

i'm fine waving a gun around in a bluff,but also a phone in my other hand calling the police.

You use firearms to bluff?

What happens when they call that bluff?

Bang bang, you're dead.

Wow I can't believe some of the chicken # replies in here.


Two masked men fire-bombing my house would be laying dead in the yard....pretty simple.

Well i have a wife and kids, i have never been in a fight in my life. I dont own a gun or even a baseball bat HOWEVER... if anyone ever threatened my wife or kids, i would use all force possible to repel that threat. I would physically bring the whole world down on that person!.
I do believe that the police are way to focused on Getting another easy brownie (prosecution) point, than actually policing and looking after the victims.

thearmedcitizen.com... This site should be viewed by any American or CANADIAN that is naive enough to think an armed citizen is considered deviant and irresponsible. I do believe that there are limits and conditions to carry, own, or discharge a firearm but it has certainly saved countless innocent lives. Just to add, # happens, not everything is going to go as planned. Common sense goes a long way.

reply to post by SSDDay


There is really no need for you to bash on ANYONE and why would you bash a whole nation? Are seriously saying that Canada has diddly squat for an army? Sure we may not compare to the US who spend a chunk of your taxpayer dollars on the military rather than health-care and education but who cares? If a war were to break out I am sure Canada can turn into a military industrial complex pumping out a lot of weapons, but we have no need for that now.

Back to topic. If a cop shoots warning shots in Canada it is okay but when a civilian does it??