Domodedovo airport: Blast rocks Moscow's main airport

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Who cares if people live there, civilians never meant anything to Russia anyways.

You can take your self-righteous, ignorant, ethnocentricity elsewhere.

к черту, мудак.

Got defeated in a debate so you get all angry. Typical.

You proved my point.

And no I will not go to hell.

You aren't the only ones who know Russian.

мудак ?

Oh yeah lets cuss in Russian so the mods won't notice.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I really like how you continue to ignore questions about 9/11 and London attacks, and conveniently only continue to blabber your agenda over and over and over. If repetitiveness was rationality, we would all be bloody geniouses.

Get a book, learn about the Chechen war and what led to it, and learn about the goals of organized modern Islamist Extremizm.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by nenothtu
This op is earmarked "muslim", and my best bet is that it was either carried out by Chechens, or through a cooperation pact by another terrorist group with Chechens.

Then you're betting against the odds. Throughout history -- from Nero's burning of Rome to the German Reichstag Fire to the Moscow apartment building bombings to the Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods and 9/11 -- it's been proven that governments seeking citizen control, global resources and geopolitical gain are the most likely cause of terrorism.

Probably another example of the Hegelian Dialectic -- aka Problem/Reaction/Solution.

edit on 1/24/2011 by GoldenFleece because: (no reason given)

I'm not a betting man, but just this once I'll take that bet.

What odds are you giving?

My little world doesn't have a "Spy vs. Spy" character hiding behind every doorpost. Not every little event is a "false flag", as is so often screamed from the ATS rooftops. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes, a terrorist attack is just a terrorist attack. Have you got any stats yet on how many government intel agencies world wide make use of the tactic of suicide bombing? When you get those stats, compare them with how many Islamic terror groups employ that tactic.

You might want to do that before you calculate the odds you're giving.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Got defeated in a debate so you get all angry. Typical.

You call your blabber a "debate"? You are talking with yourself and entertaining delusional fancies about mythical righteous freedom fighters.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
You aren't the only ones who know Russian.

I know it as well, and I concur with the accuracy of his statement about you. Innocent people died, and you try to justify their murder with your sick agenda.

Originally posted by maloy
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I really like how you continue to ignore questions about 9/11 and London attacks, and conveniently only continue to blabber your agenda over and over and over. If repetitiveness was rationality, we would all be bloody geniouses.

Get a book, learn about the Chechen war and what led to it, and learn about the goals of organized modern Islamist Extremizm.

I did read the books. I learned about Islamic Extremism AND Russian Extremism.

I learned about how Islamics kill indiscriminately, and don't give a crap who dies.
I learned about how Russians kill indiscriminately, and don't give a crap who dies.

That's what Chechnya is about.

You think it's totally ok to kill their civilians cuz it's "Your land".
What do you think the Islamics think?

You are splitting mirror images of each other.

This thread isn't about 911 or 77, and my views are the exact same on those issues. War is war, if you don't like it end the war maybe???

This is really simple.

Originally posted by KaiserSoze

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by jerico65
Killing Russians for Allah. Wow, big surprise.

Wait until the Russians find out who did this and start their brand of retaliation. They'll kill everyone with the same last name.

I'll be cheering for the Russians.

Me too, and strangely, that doesn't make me as uncomfortable as I thought it would.

My, how times change!

Or as my Russian friends say.

"Месть, блюдо, которое лучше разбили над головой кто-то."

Yeah, I hope it doesn't leave a knot on mine!

Originally posted by maloy

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Got defeated in a debate so you get all angry. Typical.

You call your blabber a "debate"? You are talking with yourself and entertaining delusional fancies about mythical righteous freedom fighters.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
You aren't the only ones who know Russian.

I know it as well, and I concur with the accuracy of his statement about you. Innocent people died, and you try to justify their murder with your sick agenda.

You are justifying the murder by preaching hate.

I don't care who wins.

I was kind of hoping both sides would call a CEASE FIRE and maybe get along for once???

I just can't stand to see this one sided unfair debate.

Russia = Victims
Chechnya = Aggressors

Give me a break. This is absurd.

Originally posted by maloy


I know it as well, and I concur with the accuracy of his statement about you. Innocent people died, and you try to justify their murder with your sick agenda.

Au contraire, mon frère.

I am saying that if it's ok for you to bomb them, don't cry when they strike back.

It's not terrorism. It's just plain old tit for tat warfare. Like usual....

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I did read the books. I learned about Islamic Extremism AND Russian Extremism.

Clearly not.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I learned about how Islamics kill indiscriminately, and don't give a crap who dies.
I learned about how Russians kill indiscriminately, and don't give a crap who dies.

Care to cite when Russians took hundreds of children hostage in a school?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
You think it's totally ok to kill their civilians cuz it's "Your land".
What do you think the Islamics think?

Well the Islamic Militants are the ones who started it in 1991. I was there. Russia had to clean up.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
This thread isn't about 911 or 77, and my views are the exact same on those issues. War is war, if you don't like it end the war maybe???

Yes it is about 9/11 and 7/7. The Extremist Islamic factions carrying out the attack are part of the same mental degenerative state of mind that led to the senseless acts of violance. They share similar goals and and means, and similar idealogy.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

I was kind of hoping both sides would call a CEASE FIRE and maybe get along for once???

How can we "get along" with a group whose sole purpose in life is to either convert us or kill us? To hell with "getting along" with them.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I am saying that if it's ok for you to bomb them, don't cry when they strike back.

It's not terrorism. It's just plain old tit for tat warfare. Like usual....

Then by your reasoning nothing is terrorism. It is all warfare - someone doing something in revenge for something else - which at some point originates at some armed conflict.

As I said before - I do not care to argue linguistics. Call it whatever the hell you want in your language. IN my language, and that which many people share with me it is called terrorism, and there is no justification for it.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I don't care who wins.

I was kind of hoping both sides would call a CEASE FIRE and maybe get along for once???

If you didn't notice there was Cease Fire. The war ended. Chechnya was rebuild. One side never stopped the shooting and the attacks. The terrorists carrying out these attacks are not doing it in the name of Chechnya - they are doing it in the name of a sick religious degeneration which is the plague of the modern world - Radical Islamism.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I just can't stand to see this one sided unfair debate.

No, you can't stand to see a thread without your blatant agenda planted in the middle of it.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Russia = Victims
Chechnya = Aggressors

In this particular instance yes. Or are the dead civilians in that airport considered aggressors in your delusional fancy?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Give me a break. This is absurd.

Give me a break. You are absurd.

Originally posted by maloy
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I really like how you continue to ignore questions about 9/11 and London attacks

What about 9/11 and the London attacks? How much research have you done?

A veritable mountain of evidence that grows stronger every day indicates that both the London 7/7 bombings and 9/11 were government false-flag ops. Maybe you've forgotten those infamous Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction?"

Just like Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, USS Liberty and Oklahoma City, among many other assassinations and terrorist events that were attributed to "lone gunmen" and al-CIAduh.

Let's see.

# 1) Turn rebellion for national independence into "religious war".

# 2) Ignore all unjustified civilian deaths when demolishing entire cities.

# 3) Cry terrorist when a few slip through the cracks and strike back.



I never support the killing of innocents.

I don't support the evil attacks against Russian Civilians, and I sure as hell don't accept or support the evil attacks on Chechnya.

But hey, war is hell ain't it?

That's why I am against it.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
What about 9/11 and the London attacks? How much research have you done?

A veritable mountain of evidence that grows stronger every day indicates that both the London 7/7 bombings and 9/11 were government false-flag ops. Maybe you've forgotten those infamous Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction?"

Just like Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, USS Liberty and Oklahoma City, among many other assassinations and terrorist events that were attributed to "lone gunmen" and al-CIAduh.

You again? Where is your "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" this time? I see you at least dropped that word. I guess that's progress. I already voiced my opinion that I consider both of those attacks, just like the one in Moscow to be real terrorist attacks. I have not seen any proof to lead me to think otherwise.

Originally posted by maloy
I already voiced my opinion that I consider both of those attacks, just like the one in Moscow to be real terrorist attacks. I have not seen any proof to lead me to think otherwise.

Then you haven't looked. Typical. The implications are probably too upsetting.

Here's a hint: WTC 7 and the Pentagon.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by maloy
I already voiced my opinion that I consider both of those attacks, just like the one in Moscow to be real terrorist attacks. I have not seen any proof to lead me to think otherwise.

Then you haven't looked. Typical. The implications are probably too upsetting.

Here's a hint: WTC 7 and the Pentagon.

I'VE looked. I've looked deeply. 9-11 was neither an "inside job", nor is it the topic of this thread.

Good lord, it looks like fantasies are as prevalent as false flag attacks!

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Let's see.

# 1) Turn rebellion for national independence into "religious war".

It wasn't Russia that did this.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
# 2) Ignore all unjustified civilian deaths when demolishing entire cities.

They weren't ignored. And Grozny could not be called a city before it was bombed. As I said before, it was turned into a fortress, primarily sheltering militants. Should the allies not have bombed Berlin in WW2 by your reasoning?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
# 3) Cry terrorist when a few slip through the cracks and strike back.

If they wanted to strike back, they should have targeted the military or the government. They targeted civlians who had nothing do with the war.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I never support the killing of innocents.

Yet you try to justify it.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
But hey, war is hell ain't it?

That's why I am against it.

Sometimes wars are a necessary evil - just like fighting and persecuting criminals is necessary. Unfortunately when it comes to criminals being in other countries or in control of other countries, collateral damage is unavoidable. We can all turn a blind eye and pretend live in peceful lala land where there are no wars, or we be realistic and approach it pragmatically.



And there is a distinction between war and terror, even if their circumstances are related. Let me spell it out for you:

War is a strategic and focused struggle against an armed organized faction, government, or military.

Terror is indiscriminate attack against civilians who not necessarily associated with any armed faction, government, or military.

Originally posted by KaiserSoze

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by jerico65
Killing Russians for Allah. Wow, big surprise.

Wait until the Russians find out who did this and start their brand of retaliation. They'll kill everyone with the same last name.

I'll be cheering for the Russians.

Me too, and strangely, that doesn't make me as uncomfortable as I thought it would.

My, how times change!

Or as my Russian friends say.

"Месть, блюдо, которое лучше разбили над головой кто-то."

Translation of the above Russian phrase, to save people some time :
Revenge, a dish best smashed over someone's head.

Originally posted by maloy


And Grozny could not be called a city before it was bombed.

This is absolute proof that you think bombing innocent civilians is ok.

The entire nation of Chechnya wanted freedom.

So by that token, the entire nation of Chechnya are militants. (Including their children).

Anyone can look up the History of your bloody crack downs.

Please folks, go look it up.

I am just explaining WHY this attack happened today.
It is blow-back for the 16 years of Russian oppression and bombardments of an entire nation that only wanted freedom from the Kremlin's iron grip. (Which in turn goes back 200 more years).