Domodedovo airport: Blast rocks Moscow's main airport

Originally posted by zuul000
Has this been posted yet? Utterly bizarre ...

However, airport spokeswoman Yelena Galanova told Russian state TV that the airport was "operating as usual." "There have been no departure delays. We were shut for only about 20 minutes after the explosion," she told state TV.

www.cnn.com...

"Can we get a cleaning crew to the south terminal to collect bodies? We don't want to delay Lufthansa's 9:57 Moscow-to-Hanover flight. Also, please ask the injured to move to the sides of the concourse so there's room for passengers to pass. Thanks!"

edit on 24-1-2011 by zuul000 because: (no reason given)

What's bizarre is, I don't find the cited quotes anywhere in the linked article!

"Remember, no Russian."

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

What would be the motive? Well, here's a little blurb from the Associated Press:

Russians still look to the tough-talking Putin as the leader they trust to guarantee their security, and Monday's attack was likely to strengthen the position of the security forces that form part of his base.

How much do you want to bet that because of this tragedy, Putin is elected again?

Ahem.

Demonstrating to not only the Russian people, but also anyone who would care to travel to Russia, that the security apparatus just can't protect them is not the best way for the "security forces" to go about "strengthening their positions".

Matter of fact, it will likely have precisely the opposite effect. This is exactly why terrorists do such things - to demonstrate that the government can't protect the people, the goal being to weaken public confidence in the government.

This means that a requirement for your scenario to ring true is that the Russians be as dumb as a box of rocks. Most Russians I've dealt with are nothing like stupid. Not even a little.

As Freud once said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

This op is earmarked "muslim", and my best bet is that it was either carried out by Chechens, or through a cooperation pact by another terrorist group with Chechens. Let's see who, if anyone, claims responsibility.

This is probably the reason why they were attacked.

It's not terrorism though, it's war fair and square.

If it's fair to bomb a urban city, than it's fair to bomb an airport in return.

Don't like it? End the wars.

Killing Russians for Allah. Wow, big surprise.

Wait until the Russians find out who did this and start their brand of retaliation. They'll kill everyone with the same last name.

I'll be cheering for the Russians.

www.liveleak.com...

Aftermath footage, warning: dead bodies.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
This is probably the reason why they were attacked.

It's not terrorism though, it's war fair and square.

If it's fair to bomb a urban city, than it's fair to bomb an airport in return.

Don't like it? End the wars.

So people of Iraqi descent would be justified in carrying terrorist acts against random civilians in the US and Europe? Vietnamese would be justified in terrorist attacks on the US? What about the Lebanese against Israelies? Or Iranians against Iraqies? Or Pakistanis against Indians? Croatians against Serbs? Armenians against Turks? By you lever of reasoning we should all have one large blood orgy wiping out each other for the acts committed by someone else in the past?

There have always been wars, some with good reasons, other without. Even the justified wars involved mistakes and civilians deaths.


How does any of this justify killing of innocent civilians? Or are you too absorved in your self-righteous blabber to see the hypocrisy?

Originally posted by jerico65
Killing Russians for Allah. Wow, big surprise.

Wait until the Russians find out who did this and start their brand of retaliation. They'll kill everyone with the same last name.

I'll be cheering for the Russians.

Me too, and strangely, that doesn't make me as uncomfortable as I thought it would.

My, how times change!

reply to post by muzzleflash


It's interesting that you don't report the OTHER side of these events, that the Russians were simply securing land that has been theirs for almost 250 years, and which they had prevented from becoming a Sharia law stronghold in the 18th century.

Do you think every terrorist group who demands sovereignty should be given it? Do you think the crazy Westboro Baptist Church in Oklahoma should be allowed, without any trouble on the government's part, to form their own nation using land, resources, money, and utilities bought and paid for by the US government?

Originally posted by nenothtu
This op is earmarked "muslim", and my best bet is that it was either carried out by Chechens, or through a cooperation pact by another terrorist group with Chechens.

Then you're betting against the odds. Throughout history -- from Nero's burning of Rome to the German Reichstag Fire to the Moscow apartment building bombings to the Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods and 9/11 -- it's been proven that governments seeking citizen control, global resources and geopolitical gain are the REAL terrorists.

Most likely another example of the Hegelian Dialectic -- aka Problem/Reaction/Solution.

reply to post by jerico65


I couldn't agree more.

reply to post by GoldenFleece


You keep using this word "proof". I don't think it means what you think it means.

reply to post by maloy


Give me a break.

It's totally ok to kill 25,000-50,000+ civilians in Chechnya since 1999.

But if those Chechens get a strike back and kill a few dozen, Russia cries "terrorist".

What Russia did to Grozny was mass-terrorism also!

Perhaps you don't understand that a war is two sided?

It's not terrorism. It's war.
It's called "blow-back".

I don't care who is on who's side. I don't care who wins.
I just know a legitimate war when I see one.

Don't like it? Stop bombing the crap out of civilian urban centers? I don't know, just a suggestion.

If you think your war in Chechnya is justified, than you have to admit they are justified in attacking back. Grozny was TOTALLY DEMOLISHED!

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Don't like it? Stop bombing the crap out of civilian urban centers? I don't know, just a suggestion.

If you think your war in Chechnya is justified, than you have to admit they are justified in attacking back. Grozny was TOTALLY DEMOLISHED!

Why don't you educate yourself on the history of Chechnya? It will help you not look like an ignorant fool in the future. It isn't a war. It's Russia trying to maintain it's rightful property under duress. The terrorist groups in Chechnya are fighting purely on religious grounds, but have turned it into a lame appeal for "freedom" in an attempt to garner international support.

Why should we give up land (with a useful seaport) just because some violent cult wants a nation of it's own?

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

It's interesting that you don't report the OTHER side of these events, that the Russians were simply securing land that has been theirs for almost 250 years, and which they had prevented from becoming a Sharia law stronghold in the 18th century.

Hey, warring for land seems to be the norm on Earth.

Fair play.

Whoever kills the most wins right?

The land belongs to whoever is the best murderer.

You got hit back. That's how war goes...

Now, which city in Chechnya should be obliterated in response?

Maybe an artillery barrage? Air strikes?
Who cares if people live there, civilians never meant anything to Russia anyways.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa


Why should we give up land (with a useful seaport) just because some violent cult wants a nation of it's own?

And the Russian military isn't violent right?

They are so peaceful.

And their mental state is not cult like in any way at all.

They are totally free thinkers in that Russian military huh?

Get real. You justify murdering them, but can't take it when they murder you back.

You will learn one day.
You live by the sword, you die by it.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by jerico65
Killing Russians for Allah. Wow, big surprise.

Wait until the Russians find out who did this and start their brand of retaliation. They'll kill everyone with the same last name.

I'll be cheering for the Russians.

Me too, and strangely, that doesn't make me as uncomfortable as I thought it would.

My, how times change!

Or as my Russian friends say.

"Месть, блюдо, которое лучше разбили над головой кто-то."

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Who cares if people live there, civilians never meant anything to Russia anyways.

You can take your self-righteous, ignorant, ethnocentricity elsewhere.

к черту, мудак.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Give me a break.

It's totally ok to kill 25,000-50,000+ civilians in Chechnya since 1999.

Do you know how many civilians Chechens militants killed in Chechnya before Russia even stepped in?

And you didn't answer my question - will Iraqis be justified by the extent of your reasons in carrying out terror attacks on civilians in US and Europe?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
But if those Chechens get a strike back and kill a few dozen, Russia cries "terrorist".

As does any other nation. Look up the definition of "terrorist". Anyone who carryies out indiscriminnant attacks against innocent civlians as means of instilling terror, is a terrorist - regardless of motives or intentions.

Do you not consider whoever carried this out to be a terrorist? What would you call him? Righteous exploder of the infidels?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What Russia did to Grozny was mass-terrorism also!

What is it with people misinterpreting definitions of words in this thread. Look up the definition of terrorism. You can call the war in Grozny whatever you want, but that is inconsequential to this thread and the terrorist attack discussed here,

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Perhaps you don't understand that a war is two sided?

Whatever sides there are in the war that you are referring to, I do not wish to be on the side that perpetrates terrorist actions like this airport bombing, and I do not wish to explore whatever delusional justifications you imagine that side to have.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
It's not terrorism. It's war.
It's called "blow-back".

So 9/11 was war? Attacks in London were war? Attack in Beslan was war? Call it whatever you want, I am calling it terrorism.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I don't care who is on who's side. I don't care who wins.
I just know a legitimate war when I see one.

Was Beslan legitimate war as well? If these attacks are war, then what tactical military goal are they trying to achieve? They are not aimed against any soldiers, military or strategic target.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Don't like it? Stop bombing the crap out of civilian urban centers? I don't know, just a suggestion.

Civilian urban centers housing one of the largest arms markets in the world, and being the staging ground for massive criminal militant factions... Grozny in 1994 was more of a huge military compound than a civlian center. There were three militants for every civilians, and more guns than people.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
If you think your war in Chechnya is justified, than you have to admit they are justified in attacking back. Grozny was TOTALLY DEMOLISHED!

It was totally demolished because the extremist militants turned it into their fortress.

Originally posted by KaiserSoze


Or as my Russian friends say.

"Месть, блюдо, которое лучше разбили над головой кто-то."

Yeah Revenge is what it's all about.

That's why you had a bomb go off in a airport today.

Revenge.

But hey, keep on ignoring that you are no better than your enemy.