is jesus, god?

reply to post by Blue_Jay33
A self fulfilling statement.
"If you don't accept this book, and all its parts, then you will not have a complete understanding of this book."
Duh.
And so what?
You know, there are still some pretty good parts.
All these disputed books add is stuff that is disputed.
Look at your own conversation with NOTurTypical (sorry, wrong spelling),
What conclusion comes from it?
None. So of what value could it possibly be?
Single verse theology, is that what you are happy with?

these should clear everything up

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?-Heb1

To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet” ?

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.-Heb13

we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.-2

God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.-1Tim3

reply to post by Gary13


is that an invitation to go to the lake with you? if you're bbqing, then i'm there! I didn't attempt to convince myself of anything, I provided evidence from the Bible that Jesus claims to be God. I didn't attempt to prove that He actually was or wasn't, just that He claimed to be so. Thanks for reminding me to pray for you, and I didn't feel like I was arguing. I'll admit, I'm frustrated that you didn't address any of my evidence, but I feel like it was a debate. If I offended you, then I'm sorry. No offense was meant. We are all brothers and sisters. I do, however, feel like you have been attempting to... get my goat so to speak, instead of posting well thought out comments on the information I have provided.

reply to post by one_man24


no sir you have not caused me any offence. please take my apology if i've offered you sir. in our discussions i've noticed you may be using the good news version of the bible, correct me if am wrong. there are many versions of the bible, what it says in one version, it may differ in another. my thoughts are on this matter are, its the devils work, he's the one who has lead us to produce so many different versions of the bible. so i would say to you sir, many will come in my name, be sure you are not miss lead. the idea of me trying to goat you, you were not far wrong. just testing and maybe we all can get a better understanding of the scriptures. i have not spoken to our creator for a long time. i dont feel worthy enough. stay safe.

Man Brother, there is alot to say with everthing you put. So before you attact me with my thoughts on the bible. I will use bible scripture too. And not only that I will use the ones you put. And keep this in your mine I do not know if Jesus is God. But I do know that without a dout Jesus claims to be the son of God. I do believe Jesus is devine as Christ is God's ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Jesus if u will has God"s blood in him. Makein him more like God than any living being on earth. Jesus is devine even worthy to be worship. Jesus Christ is so close to God that his God's Word. Jesus has been given ALL POWER IN HEAVEN. Jesus help create the world. But end the end God open the heavens to Say "THIS IS MY SON WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED. God said that brother not man. Not evil, not the devil. God. Tell me brother if Jesus is God. Why did Jesus recieve God's spirit.

Originally posted by one_man24
John Chapter 8:48-59
The Jews answered him, "Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?" 49 Jesus answered, "I have not a demon; but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. 50 Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and he will be the judge.

Do you want me to be more pacific

Bible QUOTE
JESUS CHRIST OWN WORDS
John Chapter 8:49-50
Jesus answered, "I have not a demon; but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. 50 Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and he will be the judge.

Jesus very clearly states that he doesn have a demon but what. That JESUS HIMSELF SAY I HONOR THE FATHER. HE say what I do not seek my own glory, thereis ONE WHO SEEKS IT AND HE WILL BE THE JUDGE. Jesus does seek his own glory but Gods. Jesus always talk brother about GOD was his own father.
I notice brother that you didnt even respond to my message before dis one i think its on 6 page. but i list clear bible scriptures that are jesus christ own words about himself.

Originally posted by one_man24
bible scripture keep in mine.
51 Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps my word, he will never see death." 52 The Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, 'If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.' 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you claim to be?" 54 Jesus answered,

Nothing here states or proves that Jesis is God. Jesus is given all power in heaven.

Originally posted by one_man24
bible quote
"If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me,

Sorry brother i do not have enough time now to go throught the bible with you. again i tell you that i do not know for share is Jesus is God. With books like John is hard not to believe. But I do know forshare without a dout Jesus is the son of God. Jesus claimed it. God claimed it. And the bible even tell you that a antichris is one who claims that Jesus is not The SON. Please brother go throught my other message.

Jesus say dis
For I came down not to do my own will but the will of him whom has sent me and this is the will of him whom has sent ME. that all he das given me i should lose nothing.

reply to post by slymattb


just wanting to add another and hope no one took offense to my above post trying to get a laugh in edgewise

Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

reply to post by Gary13


Is Jesus, God? Is anything not god?
When one looks upon god he will die. When it is seen that everything is being done through you and not by you, that it is all gods work, all of it, even you!! You will die !! The illusion/delusion of you being a separate self, an individual with choice will be seen through. It's happening without you. God's doing it all, even you.
Isn't it great, you never have to do anything ever again.

Originally posted by seedofchucky

Originally posted by aletheia

Originally posted by seedofchucky
Yea the one quote taken out of context

Yes, by the non-Christians. Jesus is God, read John 3:16.

3 16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ?

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1. (Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
2. (Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."


= contradiction ?

It might have very well have been a contradiction, but Jesus rose from the dead and then returned to the father.

Jesus is gods only son, if he is a son,he cannot be the father.

It does state,that when jesus returns he inherits gods kingdom and god comes to live with us,and wipe every tear from the eyes of the peope that werent sent to hell in the events before he comes.

So,if he inherits gods kingdom. Will that mean he becomes god?

And it says god will come live with us.
Does that mean jesus becomes god and lives with us. Or will both live with us.

reply to post by miracleretiree

Jesus is gods only son, if he is a son,he cannot be the father.

No one is claiming Jesus is the Father. Jesus is God the Son.

I would like to think and hope that most Christians consider Jesus to be the only-begotten Son of God.

Originally posted by seedofchucky


what if we got the whole world to pray for one person to be cured of cancer?

if that won't even work

are these metaphores also ?

en.wikipedia.org...


what if i stand infront of god and tell him i didnt know which parts were literal or metaphors ? so i assumed they were all metaphores and didnt take it serously ...would he hold it against me with this logic?

edit on 19-1-2011 by seedofchucky because: (no reason given)

Ah, but sometimes it does work! (Praying for people to be healed.) On the other hand, God wants people to be His hands, and do for each other, and also to use our brains!
Lord Robert Winston is a case in point - skilled doctor, and an observant Jew...
No, Jesus' miracles are not metaphors. It's actually pretty easy to work out what's a metaphor and what's not...
Vicky

reply to post by aletheia


So, if you make it to heaven, what will you say when you see Jesus sitting at the right hand of God?

reply to post by troubleshooter


Didn't Moses see God?

reply to post by monkcaw


So, who is Christ sitting next to in Heaven? Himself? I read where he sits at the right hand of God.

reply to post by LanMan54


It begs the question, why did it all happen this way in the first place? Why did Almighty God create evil? And he did, you know. He created everything. Why is it that every yearning we have seems to be a "sin"? Why was there a "fall"? Why? Why?

reply to post by aletheia


Nope, you are wrong.

reply to post by one_man24


Are you saying that Jesus claimed to be God? He wasn't.. He existed well before Abraham, that is what he is saying. He is not claiming to be God, the I AM. Please correct me if I have misunderstood you.

reply to post by coolottie


There is no "hell" in the sense you are speaking. The doctrine of a "hell" as a place of torment is diabolically opposed to everything God, I AM, claims to be.