400-strong wolf pack(killing every in it's path)

Originally posted by matrix12
reply to post by 11PB11

 

that ! is a big wolf ! no way that is real

Most likely... The average wolf is about 5-6 feet in length from head to tail - even bigger in Alaska.

Wolves live in packs, and sometimes the packs will join together to hunt for larger game, a pack of 50 wolves isn't unheard of, but 400 is and quite impressive. With a food shortage, and pack that strong in numbers, I would assume that yes they would attack people. To me it sounds like a case of forestry/wildlife mismanagement and now the wolves will suffer for our mistakes... A possible outcome of the over-harvesting of wolves could be their elimination from their natural habitats.

Maybe the wolves have internet access and have studied the tactics of the BATFE and other rogue packs? It certainly sounds like similar tactics. Unfortunately the wolves probably missed the fine print that indicates they aren't a "legitimate" pack unlike the alphabet agencies they researched.

/sarcasm.

Originally posted by alchemist2012
­“We have gathered 24 hunting parties to patrol the neighborhood on showmobiles."

That better be one hell of a show on wheels if you plan on appeasing 400 wolves...

(I keed, I keed)

A friend of mine's wife is from Russia. She says that they don't go out after dark because wolves will attack anything out and alone. And that's just because of a few wolves, think what 400 wolves would do!

Being Native American I have heard a lot about wolves thru my life but never have I heard of a pack of 400! I have seen them in the wild, very beautiful and majestic animals. All dogs are derived from wolves, no wonder we love our dogs so much. I hope they break up the pack on their own and they are not harmed. There must be a lot of alpha shenigans going on thru the pack. I have a friend that raised a few wolves, I will ask her if she has heard of a pack this large, but I doubt it. Thanks for the thread OP - very interesting!

I actually own full breed wolves (14 of them to be exact) and a pack that size is phenomenally unheard of...they usually stick to smaller animals for food and yes they are quite large animals...we get their food from one of our local slaughterhouses leftovers

Something about this story gives me a serious tingle...something is not right.

Here's some wolf info taken from Wiki about gray wolves (not sure the kind in Russia but "Russian wolves" came up with this)
en.wikipedia.org...

"wolves are social predators that live in nuclear families consisting of a mated pair which monopolises food and breeding rights, followed by their biological offspring and, occasionally, adopted subordinates."

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by 11PB11

 

130lbs Damn that is a big animal. The jaw power must be phenomal.

I think i heard the jaw power of a wolf was about 700lb per square inch, so yeah its pretty crazy! Not the most powerful in the canine family though, think its some kinda Turkish breed that registers something like 800lbs per square inch

Humans exert about 60-120lbs per square inch

Originally posted by lasertaglover
I know that this huge pack and this news article are not related, but the timing is AMAZING!

From Spaceweather.com:

"FULL WOLF MOON: Can you hear the howls? According to folklore, tonight's full Moon is the "Wolf Moon," named long ago by Native Americans after the singing packs of wolves they heard during the winter month of January. After nightfall, go outside for a beautiful view--and don't forget to listen carefully, too."

spaceweather.com...

As a pagan, I find this correlation extremely important. A pack of 400 simply doesn't make sense in the world of wolf. Killing them en mass breaks my heart. Here's some wolf info from other traditions:

According to Celtic tradition, Wolf represents learning, loyalty, intuition, loyalty and the shadow. He teaches people not to feel strength and power of self when alone and to learn about the deepest self by imparting spiritual assistance and courage. Wolf also symbolizes cunning, wisdom, searching, dreams, magick, intuition, transformation, death and rebirth, intuition and protection.

Native Americans believe that Wolf is teacher and pathfinder to find new ideas and teach them to the tribe. He imparts a sense of family and loyalty, Moon is the power ally which helps Wolf to access the subconscious that has the secrets of knowledge and wisdom. Wolf tells people to seek out solitude to find the teacher within the self so they can teach others about spirituality. He helps people to learn to trust insights when they learn to value the inner voice. Some Native American tribes, African Dogon tribe and the Aborigines of Australia believe Wolf is allied with Sirius, the Dog Star. A number of these believe the teachers and ancestors came from there.

Pagan wolf symbolism - Strategic, resourceful and incredibly communicative, the Wolf is a noble mentor for humankind. Wolves have specific protocol and rank within their packs. This observation is a cue to look to community for creative solutions during this full moon. Communicate with those in your pack to help you with your challenges. But don’t break taboo. If you follow specific traditions in social communication, hold to them. In fact, use this full moon to honor traditions of your heritage. Take time to honor your elders too. Tribal rituals should be heeded this time of year.

For what it's worth......

I want to see the Alpha male that controls the pack, but it has been my experience that when animals exhibit unnatural behavior it is caused by unnatural reasons. A pack of this size would have over twenty alpha males and as many alpha females. The other 360 would be so busy jockeying for position that pack cohesion would be difficult if not impossible to maintain.

An over-riding force that could possess each and every wolf is the only thing that i know of that could accomplish this.

Originally posted by alchemist2012
rt.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">http...://rt.com/news/siberian-wolf-pack-400/"Some 400 hungry wolves in the Siberian Republic Sokha have banded together to hunt deer and horses. About 30 horses have been killed by wolves over the last few days. Locals fear that the dangerous animals may attack humans too.
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This is strange for a pack of this size.does anyone now what the average size of a pack is?.And do animals ban together like this in times of trouble..

edit on 19-1-2011 by alchemist2012 because: (no reason given)

You really should change the title of this thread. No where in the story does it say anything about "killing everything in its path"

Wolf pack size varies, but it is based on a family unit, lead by a mated pair with alpha male in charge. Average size is 6, can be as many as 15

Wolves don't kill indiscriminantely. They kill what they need, not surplus killers, especially not during January when prey is scarce.

The USGS did a study about Wolf Pack Size and Food Acquisition - here's the conclusion:
"We found no evidence that increased pack size resulted in increased food acquired per wolf. In fact, regardless of how the data were examined—using all data, using data by prey species, or using data by study area (Thurber and Peterson 1993; Hayes 1995)—the relationship indicated less food per wolf as pack size increased."

About wolf packs:
www.wolfweb.com...

"Hunting is not always successful, so their bodies are designed to feast (eat a lot)or famine (eat nothing). Wolves can eat as much as 22 pounds of meat at a time and then may not eat again for many days."

Info about how wolves hunt:
www.wolfcountry.net...

Again, something about this story isn't right.

reply to post by alchemist2012


thats so bloody incredible! thanks for sharing!

I saw something the other day talking about how domestic dogs are some 98% the same genetically as wolves and all these breeding experiments where done to see whether wolves could become peaceful like pet dogs...
I don't think they were particularly successful if memory serves right

-B.M

reply to post by ns9504


you make some good points that I had not considered and this story has taken on a even more peculiar twist,
also I agree the title of this thread probably should be changed.

It certainly would be cool to see some footage of this 400 strong wolf pack.

-B.M

send them over here to the uk, we could do with a few to kill of the giant foxes, although we might need to get some tigers after a while to kill off the wolves

reply to post by B.Morrison


It is highly believed that all dogs are direct decendants of wolves. I know people who raise wolves from pups, they are kind, affectionate and gentle to their masters - however they can become disturbed if someone they don't know enters their caged territory.

With all the news lately of birds and animals dying in mass and the unnatural behavior some have observed I was wondering if anyone might have an idea what is going on with the wolves being in a pack of 400 - this is unnatural and something is disturbing them. Does anyone live near wolves in the wild and have you heard of anything unnatural with them - such as running in large packs?

Originally posted by crazydaisy
With all the news lately of birds and animals dying in mass and the unnatural behavior some have observed I was wondering if anyone might have an idea what is going on with the wolves being in a pack of 400 - this is unnatural and something is disturbing them. Does anyone live near wolves in the wild and have you heard of anything unnatural with them - such as running in large packs?

Being native American doesnt automatically make anyone an expert on wolves...Blackfeet here.. At no time in our legends have packs been described like this... and we were also known as dog people.. had a close relationship with canines. The pack stacking wouldnt allow for it. One male or one female couldnt handle 398 + other wolves. There isnt enough food around to support a pack that size in the first place. Theyd die , be very ill and starving, orr start busting in homes and hunting humans... and NO they do not typically hunt humans. Thats more hollywood and anglo BS.

IMO this story is complete and utter BS or we are in a hell of a lot more trouble than Id ever considered. WOlves dont typically commit suicide, and having a pack that size with the resources available to them is suicide. IMO its just not possible to haev a 400 strong pack.... and can not be sustained. The wolves know this.

That pic is a wolf. They get HUGE.. but they dont typically have much to do with humans at all. They also care for their elderly and do things within their pack that humans dont bother doing anymore for their own families.

willi be able to see them on google map

Originally posted by larry619
willi be able to see them on google map

**shrug**
Ive been hunting with my father in Montana and havent seen them at all until he pointed them out. They are hard to see.. but I cant see how youd miss a pack of that size.. not enough places to conceal themselves. YET ANOTHER reason I really question this story..

reply to post by Advantage


I suppose its possible the story is BS - let's hope so for the sake of the wolves and all kind!