If you believe in UFOs, why not believe in God?

Originally posted by MysteriousEyes1
I believe in both....

Believing in God is a personal journey for each and every individual. Because we have free will, the choice is ours and ours alone. God does not need us to fight his battles, but to be living examples of His love.

Your wrong... God does need us to fight his battles. You have never read the bible or any other major religious text. God has had men slaughter women and children all the time!

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God is the word to represent whatever is beyond the ceiling of our imagination.

If all we know is what's on the ground, then the blue sky and white fluffy clouds becomes God, once we know about atmosphere, its the stars and cosmos that becomes God.

God is the glorification of ignorance... The idea will fade as we become more intelligent, because it is a primitive ignorant idea. There will be those who kill to protect the tradition of their religious ignorance; A primitive reaction to a primitive idea.

The world is flat all over again and it's ridiculous that there has to be this global idea that we have to respect people's glorified ignorance and Santa Claus mentality, even when they hate and kill over such things.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
God is the word to represent whatever is beyond the ceiling of our imagination.

If all we know is what's on the ground, then the blue sky and white fluffy clouds becomes God, once we know about atmosphere, its the stars and cosmos that becomes God.

God is the glorification of ignorance... The idea will fade as we become more intelligent, because it is a primitive ignorant idea. There will be those who kill to protect the tradition of their religious ignorance; A primitive reaction to a primitive idea.

The world is flat all over again and it's ridiculous that there has to be this global idea that we have to respect people's glorified ignorance and Santa Claus mentality, even when they hate and kill over such things.

I agree, with the religion and war aspect of your comment. Because it's true, religion causes more problems then it does good.

Yet, is believing in the afterlife ignorant? No God, none of that, but an existence after death.

In my opinion, as I gain more intelligence, both spiritually and mentally, the idea of another plane of existence becomes brighter, instead of fading.

If there are aliens who have managed to span space and time to travel to earth , i think we would be able to assume this race is more intelligent that we currently are. Now if we are meant to have been built in Gods image, who's image are the aliens made from? Because that would be a more intelligent god than the god for humans.

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The universe itself makes a very strong case for the existence of both.

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There could easily be a difference between intelligence or technological advance and spiritual capacity or even physical evolution.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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The universe itself makes a very strong case for the existence of both.

I agree. With all of the mysterious things that we probably dont even understand yet about the Universe and existence itself, either could be possible. To rule either out because it sounds "silly" is ignorant.

The question is so broad and wide open what god are your referring to? Do you mean Jesus Christ, or do you mean Allah, or are you more along the lines of Apollo and Thor? I personally think with my first two questions it sort of mocks the god you are referring to plus the question itself and its meant to.

The problem with the whole god thing for me is why did Jesus Christ only show up one time through out all history to prove his "existence" and for a mere 34 human years at that, never heard of showed up or appeared ever again. Not once in history. I know that im gonna get flamed with what do you expect him to come down all the time and say hi, he doest have to prove him self blah blah blah. But my rebuttle would be how come not one other time through out human history did he show up and spread the word of Christianity and let us know who are "creator" was. Weve had plenty of different ages and times where he could have showed up and spread his word and tell the "truth" but instead let people believe in the sun god or the water god.. But some guy shows up at 4 B.C and is Supposedly god? Doesn't seem to add up, why in that particular part in history was it relevant for hiim to come forth and pronounce who he was take human form and spread the word of his father "god".

As for aliens it seems easier to believe that this planet being a couple million years old means the solar system is a couple million years old and theres other life out there who was bound to evovle and thats why we happen to see them from time to time yet really still no little about them other than there out there. they dont tell us to worship them or treat them like gods i sure as hell dont just think its more realistic of a belief then a old tale of a skitzo telling everyone hes gods son. Didnt work so well for Joan of arc when she was talking to god.

Originally posted by FPB214
reply to post by mattyboy4u

 

I agree exactly. Everything you said was spot on.

Did you have NDE's?

First of all, sorry for the delayed response. A ton of work and little home time means all work and no play.

Second of all, yes 2 NDE's to be exact. Plus I have also talked to other people with NDE's who's stories of the afterlife give me chills, as to how close in relation are to mine.

Thirdly, I have had great honor in seeing first hand, evidence that proves the other side of this question. I also have learned to keep my mouth shut about it, but once I get proof in hand, well, it will be interesting to say the least.

I think people just need to learn the difference between belief, and true sight. There is science for a reason. It is closer than we think my friend, much much closer.

well most every painting of "god" was a ufo,,,,,there are tons of videos,,radar,,eyewitnesses,,pictures of ufos,,but no one has seen god in vids or pics or on radar................i mean since god would look like man since beleivers in "him" think we were made in "his"own likeness..

Originally posted by truthbeetellin
well most every painting of "god" was a ufo,,,,,there are tons of videos,,radar,,eyewitnesses,,pictures of ufos,,but no one has seen god in vids or pics or on radar................i mean since god would look like man since beleivers in "him" think we were made in "his"own likeness..

But that's just it. A "painting". Who actually knew God or Jesus that actually painted that? Not saying that I dont believe in both in this question. But the fact is, why do UFO's really have to be so secretive. Just type in "UFO sightings" into google and watch the responses fly. People see them, people know they exist in the back of their minds. But then theres always that one person that steps in and says "show me proof". I think the government just finally needs to come out with it already. We know they are here, helping us. Look at mankind and our advancements in the past 60 years. More than we have ever seen. Just my theory anyways *wink*

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That's what i've stated before in another post, on how some people who have NDE's describe some of the same places or happenings. Glad to know there are still random people out there who have had something happen to them way out of the ordinary, especially when it comes to having a NDE. I can only imagine what it was like.

About UFO's, I agree as well. I hope discolsure is what comes in 2012, because I believe deep down they know they exist. It's just a mtter of when to release it to the world, which will change the whole dynamic.

Just because you believe in aliens doesn`t mean that you don`t believe in `God`. I believe in aliens and I do believe in `God`. The reason why I am putting God in quotes is because the God I believe in doesn`t stem from Christianity, Catholicism, and so forth... I believe that looking back into ancient history such as Egyptian, or really any seeming advanced ancient civilization that we have been *allowed* to know about in our modern day, the references are there that tell us of the `beings` that came from outside this world to bring forth human civilization.

I believe human were brought here to planet earth by extraterrestrial beings and that is how human life came to be on planet Earth. These `beings` are our `God`. These aliens, or whatever you want to call them.

While on this subject, I think it is ridiculous for any religious person to write off the idea of aliens existing. Believing that God, a creator, residing somewhere off in the heavens created life here on Earth, and watched over us is exactly the same as believing God is an alien because he is in fact, according to religious beliefs, extraterrestrial to this planet. Alien doesn`t have to mean little bodies with large heads, and big black eyes...

Well, bring forth all your photos, videos, physical evidence and credible first hand accounts of encounters with God, we'll throw it on the scale with the UFO/Alien evidence on the other side and weigh them out. I have a feeling I know which will win. Apples and oranges...

Originally posted by FPB214
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That's what i've stated before in another post, on how some people who have NDE's describe some of the same places or happenings. Glad to know there are still random people out there who have had something happen to them way out of the ordinary, especially when it comes to having a NDE. I can only imagine what it was like.

About UFO's, I agree as well. I hope discolsure is what comes in 2012, because I believe deep down they know they exist. It's just a mtter of when to release it to the world, which will change the whole dynamic.

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Yes it does change everything. Both times my heart completely stopped. I was considered dead in one of the NDE's, as I was dead for more that 45 secs. The doctors still call me lucky to this day. I just remember what I saw. And there is a group of us, with the same experience. Weird thing is, once you learn about someone having an NDE you always have to ask. So I never told them about my experience. I just matched up stories after they were done sharing. And 100% of who Ive talked to so far says the same thing. And secondly, why would people lie about dying? Its not the most grateful of experiences, thats for sure!

Anyways, my other point is this. We have had aliens and UFO's in the back of our minds even before Roswell, Roswell just picked up the pace on research. Why, some may ask? Because it was the worst cover-up in the history that I know. People just truly believed them when they said "Oh its a weather balloon, nothing to see here folks." Truth is, there was 1 alive at the crash. 1!!!! Amazing! It just got taken over too quickly, and they had to make up a story. But there were people that witnessed it, the government just did a good job in making em think they were crazy.

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Lets throw out some cold hard truths. Although, there has been many, many, people who have seen ufos, there is no concrete proof that they do exist. Sure, there have been photos and videos, but this is all speculative.It just makes me nuts for people to believe in something that is not provable then totally shoot down the idea that there is a God.



Ok, where does one begin...

"Although, there has been many, many, people who have seen ufos, there is no concrete proof that they do exist"

Hmmmm, people have seen UFO's, many, many people right? How many people have seen a god? Except for mentally disturbed individuals? How much more proof do you need that they do IN FACT exist? Hello! Look at the videos and pictures, how is that not proof dude??? Seriously, and let's look at the Mexican pilots who filmed those UFO's, it doesn't get more real than that. Sure, a lot are fakes but a lot are not. I'm still waiting for a picture of "god". Remember, believing in god is strictly FAITH, not proof. Do you really think religious peoples could handle a picture/video of "god" over UFO's? I don't think so buddy! They'd be less inclined to continue believing if they did see a pic of "god"... What if it didn't stand up to their expectations, what if it was a female, or a dragon with 18 heads and a hand where its left leg should be??? I don't know man, I truly don't think people could handle a picture/proof of a "god" like they couldn't handle an actual alien landing in their backyard asking to borrow some ice for their trip back to Alpha-Centari in the neighborhood of Orion's Belt...

We walk by faith, not by sight. 2 Corinthians 7:7

I am not here to argue neither God, Christ, nor the Holy Spirit exists. We are all given free will to believe in what we want. For me, I have no doubt in the Trinity's existence. Since a small child, I have had numerous spiritual encounters.... and I am not crazy by any means.

As for Aliens? who really knows. For thousands of years there has been evidence of their existence in drawings and now photos, etc. What is the harm in believing in what is not seen? The truth will reveal itself when the time is right. It always does one way or another.

How can you even compare believing in god to believing in Aliens.

Although there is no proof that life exists elsewhere, with how vast the universe is, it is just logical to believe that there is life out there somewhere, whether it be intelligent life forms or some form of microorganism. Even Prof Stephen hawking has agreed that there IS life out there, we just dont know where or if we will ever find it.

Anyone with common sense and a belief in science would not agree to there being a god. I have nothing against people who do but i see Religion as more of a collection of stories that together act as a guide of how to live your life rather than a collection of factual events.

To me the thought of there being 'aliens' out there is completely rational, logical thought, where as the thought of a 'GOD' creating the world in 7 days and Adam & eve and such seems far fetched and fictional .

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I think if you believe in "aliens" or "god" you believe in the other without acknowledgment.

Definitions of alien on the Web:

* foreigner: a person from a foreign country; someone who does not owe allegiance to your country
* stranger: anyone who does not belong in the environment in which they are found
* extraterrestrial being: a form of life assumed to exist outside the Earth or its atmosphere
* being or from or characteristic of another place or part of the world; "alien customs"

Definitions of god on the Web:

* the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions (from a primitive viewpoint)
* deity: any supernatural being worshiped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or is the personification of a force (from a primitive viewpoint)
* a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people; "he was a god among men" (now we understand those characteristics as super-technologically advanced, not divine)

They describe the same physical entities! We mistook Aliens for a god.
Remember they're words, man-made words; not a divined certainty.
Two words that describe the same thing from two opposing perspectives.