New Ala. gov: Just Christians are his family

Any foray into alabama politics should included dale peterson

Other wise...

"I do not know this man, have not followed him, nor am I from Alabama, but I am from Georgia (the bible belt) so I have a little more knowledge of where this man is coming from and his beliefs. I am sorry that you, being Catholic, as well as your daughter, have been insulted or mistreated in some way by those who believe differently than you. Yes that is always unacceptable in Christ's eyes and should be unacceptable in every Christian's eyes. But please don't single out an entire faith of people just because a few hurt you and your family. Give this man and other Christians at least the chance to either expound on what he meant or show you what he is really about. And also realize that although our (Christians) sin's are covered by the blood of Christ, that we are still not perfect and going to slip up and make mistakes. Take care and God Bless."
The South is full good open minded Christians too.
To all those judgmental angry Christians who like our politcians are full of hypocrisy.
"No, I'm NOT going to promise to come to your church, because I'm telling you i WILL NOT come to your church, or ANY church. I have a perfectly good relationship with God and don't want to mess it up by involving 3rd parties."

The dude looked like I punched him. We need MORE honesty in the South so these people can grow up and realize they are not in a fishbowl filled with fried chicken at funerals and pot roast ready after little church in the dell Sunday mornings.

Whether the South likes it or not, there's going to be circles of pagans all over it tonight, and Muslims and Jews shop at the same grocery stores"

The topic at hand seems to be what rights does a politician have? Is a politician ever allowed in any forum to say anything without being scrutinized. Who knows if that is good or bad.

This issue though in general is of minor significance except for media distraction and control. The world economic(dollar, euro, derivatives) political(middle east), and military(korea, iraq, pakistan, iran) systems are all on the brink. Add random mass animal death as well as marked increases in natural disasters to the mix too. I am starting to become more concerned.

Originally posted by stephinrazin
The topic at hand seems to be what rights does a politician have?

No one is saying he hasn't got free speech or freedom of religion rights.
He can say whatever he wants .. he can church where ever he wants.

Is a politician ever allowed in any forum to say anything without being scrutinized.

NO.
He is a leader of the people. He is supposed to treat ALL the citizens equally.
If he has a bias, it needs to be watched in order to ensure that he treats everyone correctly.
We have to be very careful with leadership. It's very easy for them to mishandle their power.

Like I said, if this was a Muslim in some other state who ... 36 hours after being elected ... said the same thing but of Muslims ... then I'd be concerned about his bias as well. Same with a Jewish person. Or a Hindu. Or a Wiccan. etc. No matter the forum, the fact is that his bias showed through and for an elected leader, that's disturbing.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by stephinrazin
The topic at hand seems to be what rights does a politician have?

No one is saying he hasn't got free speech or freedom of religion rights.
He can say whatever he wants .. he can church where ever he wants.

Is a politician ever allowed in any forum to say anything without being scrutinized.

NO.
He is a leader of the people. He is supposed to treat ALL the citizens equally.
If he has a bias, it needs to be watched in order to ensure that he treats everyone correctly.
We have to be very careful with leadership. It's very easy for them to mishandle their power.

Like I said, if this was a Muslim in some other state who ... 36 hours after being elected ... said the same thing but of Muslims ... then I'd be concerned about his bias as well. Same with a Jewish person. Or a Hindu. Or a Wiccan. etc. No matter the forum, the fact is that his bias showed through and for an elected leader, that's disturbing.

Let's just for fun say that this man meant what he said exactly how he said it and in the worst possible way, that only Christians are his Brothers and Sisters. Does that really matter?

He was elected by the majority of his population that he serves. The majority hold his view. He is representing that majority that voted him in.

If the minority in that district wants to be represented next election cycle, it is up to them to sway their neighbors to their point of view.

The Supreme Court is the one in position to protect the rights of all. That was their Constitutional duty.

Are we saying that fundamentalist Christians do not have a right to representation?

Personally, I think every view point should have representation. Less laws would be passed and more freedom would be shared by all. You will never get this from a two party system. In fact, it can only be had in a system where each represents themselves equally.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by redoubt
Oh for Christ's sake... the man has only been in office for... what? 36 hours and already he's being hammered because of his faith?

Oh for Christ's sake... the man has only been in office for... what? 36 hours and already he's hammering others because of thier faith?

Originally posted by stephinrazin

The topic at hand seems to be what rights does a politician have? Is a politician ever allowed in any forum to say anything without being scrutinized.

Say what he likes in private, but speaking as Gov. on his innaugraition day? Yah He deserves to be scrutinized, he was up on a podium and asking people to listen to him. He can't whine when they do.

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It's true though, Christians are the body of Christ. As a believer of Jesus you are accepted into God's family which makes other believers your brothers and sisters...If you are not part of the Gods family you are not saved. He says this because he loves you. And I say this because I love you- And because Jesus loves you. And if you do not accept Him, who else will save you?

I'm not a Christian, haven't been for many years, and I'm still not offended by what he's saying. I mean, I'm offended in a "please stop frickin proselytizing in such a public arena" way, but not in a "omg he's giving non-Christians the finger" way.

People are blowing this way out of proportion. In southeastern United States, conservative Christianese, people address fellow Christians as "brother" this and "sister" that because they're "brothers and sisters in Christ". And he gave an open invitation for non-Christian folk to "join the family" as well (like I'd want to ). So, he technically *is* saying that non-Christians are not his family, but he means it in a way that's like saying "the sky is blue" or "the chemical formula for water is H2O", not in a "non-Christians must DIE" way.

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I'm a proud southerner. However, there have been many times when I wished we could disown Alabama.

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Originally posted by freedish
It's true though, Christians are the body of Christ. As a believer of Jesus you are accepted into God's family which makes other believers your brothers and sisters...If you are not part of the Gods family you are not saved.

.... aaaaaaaaaaand there ya' go.

Listen ... the fella is supposed to represent EVERYONE in his state. He isn't supposed to single out only those who think like him and say he cares only for them like family. He's supposed to be neutral. If he can't do the job as Gov. - and judging from his comment and yours it seems he can't - then he should RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Originally posted by redoubt
Oh for Christ's sake... the man has only been in office for... what? 36 hours and already he's being hammered because of his faith?

Hammered? Perhaps, but I feel that this bit of news has been brought to light because the man has portrayed himself as a biggot. The point remains that there IS NO place for organized religion in the governance of any officials. I stress that spirituality is and should be individual, and should not be used as judgements against others.

This man has proclaimed that he essentially does not consider any non-christians as equals, and that rings of something wrong to me.

Namaste.

Originally posted by freedish
And because Jesus loves you. And if you do not accept Him, who else will save you?

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The Monkey God of Babel? Allah? Rah the Sun God? Zeus?

I will find out when I get there and in the meanwhile will do my best to save myself.

And when I do get there...any God that is so egotistical that they demand a mortal life of devout worship for admittance, despite my life and deeds...well I am not interested.

In short I would rather live a life in an honest "Christian manner" while not declaring my devotion to Christ rather than the reverse ....which seems to be all too prevelant amongst "Christians".

Agnostic...not athiest..just so folks have thier facts straight about me before crusading.

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HE was elected by the people he represents. So.....?

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Originally posted by whatukno
This does show discrimination. Basically he is discriminating against anyone who isn't Christian.

Who has he discriminated against? Did he deny anyone access to the Government he is head of? Has be changed policy to reflect his personally held beliefs? Has someone of a different religion been denied State assistance? Basically is a dangerous word...

He isn't mixing religion with politics. He is talking to his constituents; albeit pretty naively and possibly a political taboo way.

While religion and the State should remain separate, religion, in some shape or form will always be within the halls of Government for the simple notion that the Government is made up of the People. The People are free to worship (or not) how they see fit. Becoming an elected official does not exclude you from your basic protection provided by the First Amendment.

Now-
Is it irresponsible? Personally I think so.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by freedish
It's true though, Christians are the body of Christ. As a believer of Jesus you are accepted into God's family which makes other believers your brothers and sisters...If you are not part of the Gods family you are not saved.

.... aaaaaaaaaaand there ya' go.

Listen ... the fella is supposed to represent EVERYONE in his state.

Yes...and aren't we ALL GODS CHILDREN? Does God appreciate the Gov taking it upon himself to deny his children or relation to them? What did the Gov say?...they are not my brothers and sisters?

I'd say the Gov.s statement was both a religious and political fail.

Who cares? It's Alabama. Why should I care about Alabama?

The car industry? That's pretty much all they have that I know of that's important to our nation and they make alot of cars in detroit as well and most people don't even drive american cars any more.



I think they might have some oil but we also have oil off the gulf of Mexico and in Alaska.


It's not like it's new york which is one of the financial capitals of the world or California. It's Alabama. They don't even have an NFL team.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Listen ... the fella is supposed to represent EVERYONE in his state.

This is not only untrue, it is impossible. If he looks after the interests of those who did not vote for him, he will be turning his back on those who DID cast their vote in his favor.

This is the problem with government in general. No man can represent all the people. No man can represent the will of even two people perfectly.

Or as Christ said, no man can serve two masters.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Listen ... the fella is supposed to represent EVERYONE in his state.

This is not only untrue, it is impossible. If he looks after the interests of those who did not vote for him, he will be turning his back on those who DID cast their vote in his favor.

I am curious...How does he sort out those who voted for him from the rest of the rabble?

Are not voting booths in Alabama private?...and just so for a good reason?

Lastly..your argument is oddly binary?...are there no common interests for the people of Alabama that he can represent?...both those who voted for him and those that didn't? Both Christian and other faiths etc.?

The concept that he is only able or duty bound to represent those who voted for him...or those of a certain faith..well that runs contrary to our entire democracy.

Originally posted by watchdog
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First of all, he was in a "church crowd" speaking to those in a congregation. He was NOT in his office, sitting in his desk chair speaking to masses.

Second of all, someone not being his or my for that matter, "brother or sister in Christ" does NOT mean that he or I are refusing to help people (referring back to the person who mentioned the good samaritan). My family just returned from spending a month in a country whose major religion is mostly buddhism, then hindu, and then muslim. Many beggars and a very poor country. But just because those people do not share our faith does NOT mean my family was uncompassionate and greedy and did not give a few dollars here and there to help those in need. Christians do not typically roll down their window and ask a homeless person standing on the corner with a sign if they are a Christian before they decide to give a few dollars. Shocker: We also do NOT spit in their face, which is the way you make this man sound like he treats those in Alabama who are not Christians. We give just as all others do when we feel compelled.

I would have to listen to or read his entire message, but considering who he was speaking to and where he was, I would bet he was just relaying the message that those who do not know Christ, are not his brother or sister in Christ which is completely biblical and he also said that he wished (speaking from your posted quote only) that he wants them to be a part of the family of Christ and his brother and sister, which usually leads into the presentation of the gospel of Jesus. Nowhere in your posted quote did I see that he said he was not going to help them, but just stated a fact that if they were not Christians then they are not his brother or sister. As a Catholic and professing Christian yourself, I would have to assume that you have read the scriptures and understand that concept.

I do not know this man, have not followed him, nor am I from Alabama, but I am from Georgia (the bible belt) so I have a little more knowledge of where this man is coming from and his beliefs. I am sorry that you, being Catholic, as well as your daughter, have been insulted or mistreated in some way by those who believe differently than you. Yes that is always unacceptable in Christ's eyes and should be unacceptable in every Christian's eyes. But please don't single out an entire faith of people just because a few hurt you and your family. Give this man and other Christians at least the chance to either expound on what he meant or show you what he is really about. And also realize that although our (Christians) sin's are covered by the blood of Christ, that we are still not perfect and going to slip up and make mistakes. Take care and God Bless.

Jesus said in Matthew 12:50 "For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother." Where does it say that you must "know Christ" to be his brother or sister or mother?

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Are you kidding? The guy gets in and immediately starts being retarded. Screw him.

Originally posted by maybereal11
I am curious...How does he sort out those who voted for him from the rest of the rabble?

He tells the people his platform before they vote. If they agree, they vote for him and he wins if more agree with his platform than don't.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Are not voting booths in Alabama private?...and just so for a good reason?

Yep. This is so your neighbor doesn't lynch you for supporting things he doesn't while you grin and say, "yep, you sure are right!" to his face. It is to protect the integrity of the conscience of the voter.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Lastly..your argument is oddly binary?...are there no common interests for the people of Alabama that he can represent?...both those who voted for him and those that didn't? Both Christian and other faiths etc.?

Sure, but those are not the topic of this thread.

Originally posted by maybereal11
The concept that he is only able or duty bound to represent those who voted for him...or those of a certain faith..well that runs contrary to our entire democracy.

No it doesn't. First, we do not live in a democracy. We live in a democratic republic with checks and balances. The legislature makes the laws, the executive branch endorses the laws, and the judicial branch ensures that the laws do not violate the constitution.

There is nothing in the Constitution which defines who one must call a Brother or Sister. There is no violation of civic duty here. If anything, it is a violation of the Christs teachings, but not a government misstep.

Now if he passes a law stating that only Christians can get out of speeding tickets, then we will have an issue.

With Love,

Your Brother