New Ala. gov: Just Christians are his family

Originally posted by redoubt
how a Christian saying that only Christians are his brothers and sister, in any way effects the running of the state?

We will soon see. Basic psychology ... this mans language shows that he holds Christians (his version of Christians) closer to his heart than anyone else. We will have to see if his dealings in the future are swayed by his self-admitted bigotry in favor of those of his own religion. It happens all the time in Muslim countries. If a person isn't a good muslim, the law goes against them. Gotta' keep watch to make sure the same type of thing doesn't happen here.

Are you suggesting that this man... or anyone in public office, should fear admitting openly their faith beliefs?

By all means he should admit it publically. That way we all know his bias' and can keep an eye on his dealings.

To this date and moment, exactly what crime has this ee-ville Christian done?

He's only been in 36 hours. Time will tell. Now that he's played his bias hand so quickly it is important to keep an eye on his dealings to see if he commits crimes in relation to his religious bigotry.

Well isn't that lovely for all the non-Christian Alabamians and Americans living in his state. Way to divide and alienate on the taxpayers dime, dude. It shouldn't even have to be said that many of said taxpayers are the same non-Christians or even Christians who don't believe this twain should meet? Or does it? What the hell is up with this increasing trend in government? I'm beginning to believe these people just don't think. And if they are thinking this through, maybe we should be even more worried.

You know...once the election is over, you represent ALL the people...even the ones who didn't vote for your ass.

reply to post by redoubt

Fair enough. So please explain, in detail, how a Christian saying that only Christians are his brothers and sister, in any way effects the running of the state?

Quite exclusionary don't you think? If you were a Muslim, or Jew, or Pagan, or Hindu or any other religion in that state, he is saying he doesn't represent you.

Are you suggesting that this man... or anyone in public office, should fear admitting openly their faith beliefs?

All I am suggesting is keep your religion to yourself and not interject it into politics, don't bring your bible to the governors office. There is a time and a place for everything, and running the business of the state is not the place to be preaching from the pulpit.

Does one merely need to be a Christian to be excluded from public office?

Excluded? No. Censured? Maybe. I personally find his comments highly inappropriate.

If this Governor had been a Muslim, would Christians find it ok? I don't think they would, I think that Christians in the state would find it offensive, exclusionary, and divisive.

Originally posted by redoubt
No fact. It is an opinion; your own. no more, no less.

No ... it's a FACT. that's EXACTLY how life was for nine years.
I am relaying FACTS about EXPERIENCES. That's very different from random opinion.

I find your argument entirely without merit. .

And I find your complete dismissal of the FACTS presented to be without merit.

reply to post by whatukno

Quite exclusionary don't you think? If you were a Muslim, or Jew, or Pagan, or Hindu or any other religion in that state, he is saying he doesn't represent you.

Not at all. He simply said they weren't a spiritual brother or sister. His oath swore that he would serve all... not worship with all.

All I am suggesting is keep your religion to yourself and not interject it into politics, don't bring your bible to the governors office. There is a time and a place for everything, and running the business of the state is not the place to be preaching from the pulpit.

So, his sin was simply mentioning his faith/beliefs? In other words, he crossed the line by speaking openly and publicly about his faith?

If this Governor had been a Muslim, would Christians find it ok? I don't think they would, I think that Christians in the state would find it offensive, exclusionary, and divisive.

I think they might while that a Muslim got elected first... but then again, if a Muslim DID get elected, it meant they got the most votes. After that, there is no argument. And if the person is Muslim, why not speak of it? Everyone already knows anyway lol.

This is pointless. It has become an anti-Christian, anti-souther witch hunt. No amount of logic can cure a this kind of prejudice.

reply to post by FlyersFan


FlyersFan, I am genuinely sorry that whatever time you spent in the south so soured you that you can now, without even blinking, stereotype an entire state. And yes, I do believe that it requires the same kind of thinking that builds other prejudices, race included.

I find this terribly regrettable because it means that the entire basis for your argument is likely foundationed on that prejudice.

The new Governor has just entered office. He is a Christian and admitted that and the closeness he feels for others of the same or similar faith.

Personally, I find no crime here. But that being said, if his beliefs were to effect the way he conducts actions in office, I would agree that it was a problem. But... not merely speaking his beliefs. We don't have thought crimes... yet.

Again, sorry you so hate the south and Alabama. That means you dislike me, too, because I am one of those you have stereotyped. I live here... so I am also guilty of the crime of being from this place.

Have a nice day

reply to post by redoubt


Did I mention the south at all? No, I mentioned the fact that this governor is publicly stating that he will exclude everyone that isn't his particular religion.

I could have went the anti south route. It is Alabama after all. I could have mentioned his sister/wife/momma was in attendance in the church with his nephews/sons/brothers. But I didn't, this isn't an anti southerner thread, this is a keep your damn religion out of our government thread.

While the argument about his beliefs interfering with his politic may be the main argument of contention here, it is my view that his understanding of the very scripture he espouses should be questioned. Would Christ make such a remark? No. In fact, he even asked God to forgive those who were nailing him to the cross and piercing his lungs with a spear. Even his murderers he considered a Brother. Hypocrite is what this man is.

Such an attitude is not only contradictory to Christ's message, it demonstrates the Man's view of life, and it is a very judgemental one. For this you cannot fault him. He is a product of his environment. In that part of Alabama he may not have gotten elected without such an attitude. He is a representative of his people, they chose him, thus they carry the burden of being known as similarly judgemental. If that is the representation they want, they can have it.

If you disagree with this Man's views, be sure to not elect a representative for you who holds them, and if you do by error, hold them accountable.

Then again, it is better to just not elect a representative at all.

With Love,

Your Brother

isnt lieberman a dual citizen like emmanuel, wolfowitz, and churtoff? perhaps thats why people said they wouldnt vote for him over there.

perfetly logical reason to disqualify someone, in ones mind.


perhaps thats what they meant by 'jewish'

reply to post by FlyersFan


AS a born and raised Texan....


Right on the Mark FF! And it's not just Alabama, it's the whole south and much of the southwest that asks "what church do you go to"..... like that is some type of litmus test as to your worthiness to be associated with.

Politics and religion in the south are Siamese twins and almost without exception being a Christian is a prerequisite to getting elected to any office.

And to think that being a Christian doesn't play a big part in receiving state, county, parish, city govt. contracts or appointments is just stupid.

Originally posted by Misoir
People are so quick to jump to conclusions about this man who has yet to serve as one of the other poster pointed out, 36 hours. He can think or say whatever he wants so long his policies are not discriminatory.

Oh really? So thats how you feel about Obama as well?

What if Obama said "Only liberals are in MY family!" This board would be aflame.

reply to post by IAMIAM


How about I disagree with the premise that any douche bag can run my life.

Originally posted by redoubt
You display an obvious dislike for people who are either Christian and /or from Alabama.

My dislike is for the comments made by the Alabama gov. Be honest ... if the gov of Michigan was muslim and he, within the first few hours, said the same thing but said it about Muslims ... you'd be concerned about how he'd be treating Christians in Michigan (and rightly so), right?

Originally posted by redoubt
without even blinking, stereotype an entire state.

Without even blinking, I relate exactly what happened to me while living in Alabama.

Have a nice day

Same to you.

Is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of crazy people living in states beginning with the letter "A"? Alaska, Alabama, Arizona. I kid, not a generalization.

ON TOPIC:

FIRST AMENDMENT - Most recent Ruling by Supreme Court (1994)

Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."

Source

Thanks for posting FF and providing first hand testimony.
I read the same article this morning and spewed Cocoa Puffs all over my Mac Book Pro.

I don't want to get the man mixed up with his office, but he obviously bears watching.
There are a lot of pagans in Alabama, I know for a fact, but most keep quiet and many even act Christian in public.

Yes, I live right over the border and people in Georgia do it too, "What church do you go to?" and then often they want to invite you to theirs. I told a preacher just a few weeks ago that "No, I'm NOT going to promise to come to your church, because I'm telling you i WILL NOT come to your church, or ANY church. I have a perfectly good relationship with God and don't want to mess it up by involving 3rd parties."

The dude looked like I punched him. We need MORE honesty in the South so these people can grow up and realize they are not in a fishbowl filled with fried chicken at funerals and pot roast ready after little church in the dell Sunday mornings.

Whether the South likes it or not, there's going to be circles of pagans all over it tonight, and Muslims and Jews shop at the same grocery stores.

WELCOME TO ALABAMA!

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Disclaimer: The above image is not real and DOES NOT exist at the Alabama state border. It was fabricated by me in the spirit if political satire to convey that perhaps some people in Alabama are not tolerant of others. I feel it is ON TOPIC and germane to thread.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
How about I disagree with the premise that any douche bag can run my life.

That would be a fine start. Letting that disagreement flourish into a workable philosophy that encompasses all is the next.

With Love,

Your Brother

Nevermind. I don't want to participate in a thread which bashs an entire state and everybody in it.



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As far as the new governor, I suspect he'll be on the impeachment block if he continues this talk.
People aren't going to tolerate that.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
As far as the new governor, I suspect he'll be on the impeachment block if he continues this talk.
People aren't going to tolerate that.

No disrespect intended, but are the people who voted for this person going to allow impeachment? I suppose if the state senate is a bit more secular, it could happen anyway.

I'm not familiar with this particular campaign...were there signs of this? As there were with people like, say, Sharron Angle and others?

Many Christians feel this way, that they are superior to others, for they are all lost to Hell, and only Christians are the saved ones and living the right way. Him saying that does make me think he may treat non Christians in a lesser manner.