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Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Your post actually proves my point.
The Birther thing was D.O.A. It was a dead issue until the Governor of Hawaii went on a crusade to find Obamas birth certificate and he came up empty and now he has raised more questions.
Maybe, but isn't that exactly what Fukino did?
Originally posted by Miraj
It's a violation of HIPPA to even say it exists
So she's not allowed to do that because it's a violation? You could be right but I've not heard of any penalties applied to her as a result of saying it exists and whatever violations that entails.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
Nice strawman you got there. No one has said that is wrong to ask whatever questions you wish. You seem to confuse the right that you have in requesting something with the legal obligation for someone to respond to that request.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
I see nothing wrong with citizens asking questions about their elected leaders. The leaders should have to provide this simple information.
You had to show your birth certificate to get a “simple service,” because that person was required by law to confirm your identity. You birthers ignore the fact that existing law already stipulates who vets and confirms the candidates qualifications, and at what phase of the election process that can occur.
I just had to show my Birth Certificate to someone to get simple services. So asking our leaders to do the same shouldn't be a big deal.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Let me ask how you'd interpret these CNN poll results (July 16-21,2010):
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...
Definitely born in U.S. 42%
Probably born in the U.S. 29%
Probably born in another country 16%
Definitely born in another country 11%
No opinion 2%
If you have no doubts, that puts you in the 42% category, meaning you're in the minority. The other 56% of the population that has an opinion has at least some doubt. I'd say the 29%, (of which I'm one) that say "probably born in the US" are the people that don't call themselves birthers but have doubts.
Your failure to recognize this category even exists, or to make a claim in direct contradiction to the poll results, that these 29% believe Obama was probably born outside the US when that's not what the poll shows they believe, demonstrates a less than thorough grasp of the various opinions in the population which have been documented in this poll.
I would say the birthers are a combination of the 16% plus the 11% categories.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
reply to post by Sinnthia
Your post actually proves my point.
The Birther thing was D.O.A.
It was a dead issue until the Governor of Hawaii went on a crusade to find Obamas birth certificate and he came up empty and now he has raised more questions.
Even if you're not a birther, this raises questions.
If this was a Republican, Democrats would be demanding an investigation.
Yes because clearly this is all about you and what you think. You're certainly entitled to your opinion and it's obvious nobody is going to change it. And that's fine. But you seem to want to tell everyone else how they should think, how they should answer the polls, and how they should see things just the way you see them. Well you can try to delude yourself into thinking other people should behave the way you want, but your expectations don't change the reality. So, speak for yourself and you are undoubtedly right about your own opinion. However when you speak for others and say what their opinions are, you are clearly in denial.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Why? Well, they did not ask me what I thought and even in 100% of the people polled THOUGHT Obama was secretly a Martian, that would do just as little to sway my opinion of established facts. Everyone knows Martians have anennae.
A perfect example of you trying to tell everyone else what to think, and how to think it, and even how do design the poll and how to answer the poll.
Probably and probably not have no place in such a poll. Either you believe it, or you do not. Any doubt at all would be the same as probably, or probably not and would be the same as not believing it. Yet, the results show people answered differently to all of those.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Yes because clearly this is all about you and what you think.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Why? Well, they did not ask me what I thought and even in 100% of the people polled THOUGHT Obama was secretly a Martian, that would do just as little to sway my opinion of established facts. Everyone knows Martians have anennae.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Let me ask how you'd interpret these CNN poll results (July 16-21,2010):
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Yes because clearly this is all about you and what you think. You're certainly entitled to your opinion and it's obvious nobody is going to change it. And that's fine. But you seem to want to tell everyone else how they should think,
A perfect example of you trying to tell everyone else what to think,
I'm sorry if the world doesn't conform to your wishes,
but if the Obama campaign ignores the fact that only a minority 42% of the population have no doubts, it will be at their peril of possibly losing the election
over something so easily resolved.
It's not that I think this one issue will determine the election, however with all the broken campaign promises like increasing the size of Guantanamo rather than closing it as promised, etc,
You missed the point by a thousand miles, the poll was never supposed to confirm anything about Obama's eligibility, I posted it in response to this post:
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Do you want to go down a long list? Polls are very seldom reliable evidence, neither does a poll on the personal opinions of people indicate a question in Obama's eligibility.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
I'm not a birther but
This is why your argument is failing. You all want to cling to this birther idea but even you all realize it is so stupid that none of you want to actually admit you are pushing it anymore.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I am not a "birther", but
Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
I'm not a "birther", but
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I am not a rabid "birther" per se, but
Originally posted by sremmos
I'm not a birther but
Originally posted by webpirate
I do not consider myself a "birther" either, but
Own it people.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
You missed the point by a thousand miles,
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
You missed the point by a thousand miles, the poll was never supposed to confirm anything about Obama's eligibility,
The purpose of the poll was to show that 29% of the population believes Obama was probably born in the US, but has some doubts,
Public Policy Polling released this shocking nugget on its blog: "a 52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately."
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Well you can try to delude yourself into thinking other people should behave the way you want, but your expectations don't change the reality.