Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by SilentKillah

 

Timezones
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Timezones.

Good question.

Yes.. I actually knew that, but just being a butt about it I could see the same type of thing happening from the other side.

Originally posted by SilentKillah
Yes.. I actually knew that, but just being a butt about it I could see the same type of thing happening from the other side.

I really appoligize and want to say thanks then. That is how absurd the entire "discussion" about all this is. I mistook that as a serious inquiry because in this type of thread, it was a damn good question. I liked it better when a silly question was obviously a silly question.

reply to post by Sinnthia



What is a notation of birth, exactly?

thanks

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Obviously a note made by the omniscient reptillian overlords of a baby named Barak Obama being born on his birthday in a hospital in Hawaii. Didn't you read your article? Which word is throwing you off, exactly?

Originally posted by Sinnthia


It means that Obama's handlers were really thinking ahead by planting that notation of his birth in the Hawaiian archives over 40 years ago.

But the governor can't find it, so they must have planted it there 40 years ago but for some reason removed it? Oh those sneaky elite.

Didn't Abercrombie say this,?
www.latimes.com...

Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.' " ..."More than demonization — this is self-evisceration of politics," said Abercrombie, who raised the birthplace issue unprompted during the interview. "Empires fall and countries fall when that takes the place of discourse."

Then why did he here say this?

Mr. Abercrombie, 72, said that although he did not see the elder Obamas at the hospital with their newborn son, he did remember the couple bringing the baby to social events.

www.nytimes.com...

reply to post by Sinnthia


You are rude.

and I usually don't go there.

I just wanted someone to clarify it for me, but thanks anyway

Originally posted by filosophia
But the governor can't find it, so they must have planted it there 40 years ago but for some reason removed it? Oh those sneaky elite.

Which one are you talking about? I am referring to the one the article states was found - the notation. I did not see where the found notation had been lost again.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

You are rude.

and I usually don't go there.

I just wanted someone to clarify it for me, but thanks anyway

Please do not take it personally but I cannot help but treat this issue and associated sources with the degree of respect they have thus far earned. Take your fallacious article for example. It states-

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Really? It might as well say that Abercrombie suggested that a Willy Wonka Golden Ticket and a packet of fairy dust may not exist within the vital recored maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. Know why? None of those 3 things exist. Hospitals do not generate the birth certificates, the department of health does. So yeah, chances are pretty good there is no HOSPITAL GENERATED long form being maintained by the department of health. Why would there be? The only type a hospital generates is a non-legal souveneir footprint type that cannot be used as proof of anything anywhere.

Where is the actual quote? Where is the reality? Where are the facts? I find the whole debate well past the point of obligatory politeness by about two years now.

reply to post by aptness


Good points. I do think that it was not the spirit of the law to deny the children of military members (or any abroad US citizens) the right to run for President. That is simply un-American.

And, again... It matters not. No amount of arguing about Obama's birth certificate will result in anything except wasted life moments. He is in office. He got elected legally. Apparently, TPTB approve of his holding the office, as they will with him in his second term (or whoever might beat him). Obama has attended the same kinds of Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg meetings as the last seven or more presidents.

reply to post by dolphinfan


I thought someone actually went into the hospital and saw the document with their own eyes, and reported it as such? Maybe the governor should check with that person. Oh wait, maybe this is why Obama moved to digitize medical records because he knew documents could become misplaced? The guy is a prophet.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

I thought someone actually went into the hospital and saw the document with their own eyes, and reported it as such? Maybe the governor should check with that person. Oh wait, maybe this is why Obama moved to digitize medical records because he knew documents could become misplaced? The guy is a prophet.

Have a source or quote here? Hospitals do not generate or maintain birth certificates. What is so hard to understand about this? Who says they went to the hospital to see something that would be at a completely different building?

SD: This! This is exactly the problem here. This is the type of argument found on 100s of pages on ATS. It is so easy to just check the reality of what a birth certificate is, where they come from, and who maintains them. These things are checkable facts. Two years in and birthers still refuse to do a modicum of intellecual introspection about the logic they pretend to portray in their pursuit of all that is just and real. Silliness. Not to even mention the fact that most birthers now seem to claim he was born in Hawaii but...eh you know...still gotta wonder. I cannot help but treat it with all the respect it deserves. Sorry for that.

reply to post by ExPostFacto

Have a source or quote here? Hospitals do not generate or maintain birth certificates. What is so hard to understand about this? Who says they went to the hospital to see something that would be at a completely different building?

The Long Form has the Doctors name and usually their signature..
Are you saying the Doctor goes off to another building to sign this??

Seems odd..
I would say it's a form issued by another department but completed at the hospital..
That's not unusual..Many forms are generated at one department and filled in at other places..

Originally posted by backinblack
That's not unusual..Many forms are generated at one department and filled in at other places..

Like I said, NOT GENERATED by a hospital. Where did you get confused, exactly?

It is a red herring or intentional misdirect but it does not reflect reality to insert that he claimed something that does not exist could not be found as evidence it should be there. I bet he would claim he cannot find any unicorns in there as well.

It’s pathetic that two sources take the same exact interview, one claims the governor said the certificate can’t be found, another says the governor found it, and people are discussing the title of one article, that isn’t supported by the body of the article, as if it’s proven fact and it’s settled.

Back on page 12 hawaii50th posted a link a NY Daily News article that said the following—

Officials in Hawaii have tracked down papers indicating that President Obama was indeed born in their state, according to its new governor. Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who took office in December, told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser on Tuesday that "our investigation" indicates there is a recording of his birth. "It actually exists in the archives, written down," he said.

The OP’s source, WorldNetDaily’s article said the following—

The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives. "It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

It’s the same quote, from the same interview!

NY Daily News’ article title: “Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie: Record of President Obama's birth in 1961 is 'in the archives.'” WND’s article title: “Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate.” It doesn’t get more comical than this.

The only thing made clear by the governor’s interview is that he is apparently serious and committed to his mission and he was told, from “what [their] investigation is showing,” that it’s written down somewhere. Big whoop. This doesn’t mean the governor has found it, but it certainly doesn’t mean, as the WND article title implies, that he can’t find the records.

It’s also apparent to me that the governor nowhere implied the that his ‘investigation’ is over. Why he simply doesn’t contact the director of the Department of Health and arranges a way for him to check the records the director of DOH said she inspected, is beyond me.

But seems like, contrary to what the good governor says is his goal, he’s not really helping.

reply to post by Sinnthia

It is a red herring or intentional misdirect but it does not reflect reality to insert that he claimed something that does not exist could not be found as evidence it should be there. I bet he would claim he cannot find any unicorns in there as well.

Odd isn't it.?
And this guy is on Obama's side..

Originally posted by backinblack
Odd isn't it.?
And this guy is on Obama's side..

May I ask what you are talking about? What guy are you referring to? The one that wrote that line or the one it refers to or me? It just seems like this thread is thriving on confusion.

Originally posted by aptness
It’s also apparent to me that the governor nowhere implied the that his ‘investigation’ is over. Why he simply doesn’t contact the director of the Department of Health and arranges a way for him to check the records the director of DOH said she inspected, is beyond me.

But seems like, contrary to what the good governor says is his goal, he’s not really helping.

Exactly!

He's feeding the conspiricy theorists bigtime just like the previous governor Lingle did when she said she instructed Fukino to confirm in the press release that Obama was born at Kapiolani, but Fukino did NOT confirm Kapiolani, but did say that they have Obama's birth certificate, and previous senior elections clerk Tim Adams said that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there, which makes one wonder why Fukino didn't include Kapiolani in the press release as the governor instructed her to do?

Of those two articles you compared, yes there are differences in interpretation, but in neither interpretation has contradicted the claim by Tim Adams, which if true would make the previous governor a complete liar when she said she confirmed Obama was born at Kapiolani.

Another thought...why an "investigation"? This isn't 9-11 where it's so complicated it takes months or years to figure out what happened, is it? It seems to me like it should be a very simple task to look up whatever records they have on anyone from 1961, so I don't get the "investigation" part, and agree with you wondering why he doesn't contact the director of the Department of Health and arrange a way to check the records??

It's bizarre the way this is unfolding, no matter which version of the story you read.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by backinblack
That's not unusual..Many forms are generated at one department and filled in at other places..

Like I said, NOT GENERATED by a hospital. Where did you get confused, exactly?

Look at this 1961 birth certificate from Kapiolani:
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The layout of the document would seem to suggest that something like what backinblack said happened, doesn't it?

At the bottom, you have the signatures of the state director of health and the state registrar which confirms your claim that the hospital doesn't generate the entire document, as the hospital can't affix those two signatures at the bottom (can they? I wouldn't think so). But above those two signatures, it looks like a hospital generated form if for no other reason than it has the signatures of the attending physician which would have been obtained at the hospital, right? Isn't this illustrating what backinblack suggested?

reply to post by dolphinfan


With so many important issues why is this nonissue getting any post time? Get a life dudes.