Obama bowing to the Chinese President

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by staciebee
reply to post by EssenSieMich

 

Bowing is customary in China. It is the proper greeting. Besides, we are indebted to that country, for they own our debts. I appreciate the display of respect. Would you rather he flip him the bird and pull out an automatic weapon? NO! Obama is showing respect and hoping to keep the peace. China has the world's largest Army. They could really do damage if we ticked them off.

edit on 1/17/11 by staciebee because: typo correction

No, of course not.

However, is there no middle ground? Can't obama just look other leaders in the eye as he shakes their hand?

So we make them show respect our way on their ground as well as ours...so we want our leaders to be gods not just leaders like the rest of the world has.

cute shot here though
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reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Were they sad days when Republican presidents bowed to foreign leaders?

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


To some, it may seem a simple gesture, but to many, the ramifications will come later and the political mileage that will be extracted and twisted to the fullest propaganda in time to come, more so when the inferior one is made out of a democratic leader of a mighty nation and the free world bowing before the unbending corrupted CCP dictator of an enslaved nation.

Many wish for simplicity, but in politics with international diplomacy, nothing is simple. Perhaps the President had been submissive to TPTB far too often lately, and thus submission comes naturally to this supposed 'leader'.

An indonesian Leader made the same mistake, bowed and humbled himself before an executive of IMF offering loans during the asian financial crisis in '97, enraged his entire nation, lost the respect of a proud people and was thrown out of leadership.

May the recent event be a simple mistake, never to be repeated again by a representative of a free nation.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


You didn't answer my question. Were they sad days for the US when Republican presidents bowed to foreign leaders? Was it a sad day for the US when Bush held hands with a Saudi prince?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Star.

Great insight IMO.

We can expect to see all manor of political jostling with this type of ammunition come reelection.....

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reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


I will not reply to your question. I owe you nothing to reply to your demands.

Sad days or not, it is an emotion that fills one, depending on where his/her sworn loyalties and principles in life lays in. And emotions are that which lays within our hearts and minds to act and react daily.

reply to post by SLAYER69


You have to admit that at least he didn't say any of the things Prince Philip did on his trip to China.

In 1986 while visiting China, he told a group of Scottish students in the city of Xian that Beijing was "ghastly" and said that if one of the students stayed in China too long, he would return to Scotland with "slitty eyes."

Tho I have to admit that I've not found any pics of Queenie bowing to the Chinese President, and she is (IMHO) one clever Diplomat even when the Empire was crumbling around her.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
Tho I have to admit that I've not found any pics of Queenie bowing to the Chinese President, and she is (IMHO) one clever Diplomat even when the Empire was crumbling around her.

I've often asked myself the following, did it really crumble or simply transformed into another form?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


So you replied to a post, but didn't actually reply to the post?

Your unwillingness to answer clearly shows that you simply hate Obama. It has nothing to do with American looking weak: if it did, you would be upset about all the presidents who have bowed to foreign leaders.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Even I could do a better of photoshopping that, and I have never used Photoshop.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
Tho I have to admit that I've not found any pics of Queenie bowing to the Chinese President, and she is (IMHO) one clever Diplomat even when the Empire was crumbling around her.

I've often asked myself the following, did it really crumble or simply transformed into another form?

I have had the same thoughts myself.. especially in my tin foil hat moments.. it is all by itself quite an interesting topic..

What I really do not understand is why an American President would bow so inconsistently, in some ways it seems logical, as a sign of respect, but it still used inconsistently, almost turning it into an insult.

IMHO a real sign of respect is to meet head of state to head of state as equals, anything less is playing games..

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


OK..

Here he is bowing to the emperor of Japan. President Kowtow has lot's of practice
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reply to post by SLAYER69


Thanks for the real photo. I will ask you the same question I asked another poster: was it kowtowing when Nixon and Bush bowed to foreign leaders? Was it kowtowin when Bush held hands with a Saudi prince? Seems to me people just hate Obama and will look desperately for reasons to justify their hate.

In America, bowing to someone is a meaningless, almost comical gesture. That being said, it doesn't take much out of you to bow to someone out of respect of for no reason other than scoring some brownie points. He's not my favorite president but, I'd be willing to be he's just trying to be likable.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


Regarding Nixon. The act was mutual. Hu doesn't reciprocate now does he. I'll ask you this....
If it's a respective custom then why doesn't Hu observe it as well?

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In regards to your over asked question which I figured you should have gotten a handle on it by now. Saudi Arabia is not perceived as an economic rival nor does it hold as large of a percentage of our debt. Mutual respect is all I've been advocating.

And for the record I don't "Hate" Obama!

I find him amusing.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Over-asked, but never really answered. Ok, you addressed Nixon. What about Bush bowing to the pope and holding hands with a Saudi prince? Surely holding hands is worse than bowing.

Originally posted by 11PB11
reply to post by staciebee

 

Sorry babe, America didn't become the best country to ever exist in humankind's history by doing things your way.

It became great because those before us understood what it meant to be an American and what it meant for the rest of the world to have a shining beacon to count on and look up to.

America is falling apart because of what people think America should be, don't know if you've noticed, but we've been in decline for a while now and it's because of liberalism and weak presidents. Obama tops it, and its insulting and infuriating to have this spook as a prez.

But hey, if you want further decline lets keep on this path.

NO. What does it mean to be American? To be arrogant? Ignorant of other cultures? America is falling apart not because of weakness, but because of IGNORANCE. Spook? Really? It is 2011 and I cannot believe the hatred is still around, yet another thing that's destroying America.

Originally posted by ghostsoldier78
reply to post by EssenSieMich

 

I believe that in their culture, the deeper the bow, the more that you are showing respect. I'm no fan of Obama, or any of these politicians, but it seems like you're one of the people that will single out any one thing the man does that you don't understand and decry it as anti-american.

THIS!!!

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Over-asked, but never really answered. Ok, you addressed Nixon. What about Bush bowing to the pope and holding hands with a Saudi prince? Surely holding hands is worse than bowing.

Bush is a Christian and like it or not the Catholic Church is considered by hundreds of millions around the globe as the oldest form of Organized Christian entity. On could argue he was simply acknowledging that reality.

As far as holding hands..

Is there a problem with this? I mean it is seen in the Western world as odd but in many places around the world it is viewed as a sign of friendship and respect between males. I guess many here view it with a hint of Homophobia.

reply to post by SLAYER69


And bowing in certain parts of the world is seen as normal and a sign of respect. If holding hands with a foreign leader is fine and America has not fallen apart, I am pretty sure it will survive its president bowing a little too low.

Bush is not a Catholic, so his bowing to the pope could be seen by some as turning his back on his own church. Frankly I don't know why anyone cares about this silliness, but this thread has been quite fun.