Comet Elenin is coming!

reply to post by C.H.U.D.

Cometary material on the other hand is usually no where near as dense, and in some cases of similar consistency as cigarette ash.

Really. I defy you to prove that statement in light of recent evidence.

Originally posted by Stargate2012
Disregard the Bible codes or Barry's site for that matter. Focus on Revelation 12. If you don't see the esoteric symbolism in that, that points to this comet, and the strong Draconid meteor shower for Oct. 2011, then I am sorry.

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you might find this interesting


hmm, your handle is interesting. you aren't david flynn are you?

reply to post by undo


Thank you for posting that, just watched the entirety of the series and highly reccomend it. You should start a thread of it's own for this though as i fear it will likely get buried in this thread. Great stuff, vital information.

Originally posted by twitchy
reply to post by undo

 

Thank you for posting that, just watched the entirety of the series and highly reccomend it. You should start a thread of it's own for this though as i fear it will likely get buried in this thread. Great stuff, vital information.

i've posted this particular video and one other from the series, in various threads on the site. alot of people have already seen it, i think, or tried to watch it perhaps, didn't know what the heck the guy was talking about (you have to be familar with revelation 12 and so forth to appreciate it), and turned it off, or can't watch videos, or etc.

anyway, i'm curious what stargate 2012 thinks of it. (stargate 2012 was the name of one of david flynn's videos, btw)

it makes sense to me that there would be an astronomy layer to gauge the passage of time by, so that you can recognize "the times and the seasons" of the prophecy.

www.oddee.com...

9 prophetic movies.

Also remember Titanic was a book " Titan ".

reply to post by PuterMan


wow havn't heard of this before will be keep an watch on this thread thanks puterman for the info s & f

Puterman, are you around? I have some important information for you and the connection to this!

I am kind of tripping out now with the connection I have found.

reply to post by Stargate2012


Go ahead and post the new connections you have found. I think we'd all like to see them.

Originally posted by PuterMan

There has never been a confirmed case of significant sized debris being dragged along in the tail of a comet, that has gone on to have an encounter with Earth. It is possible, but unless the comet has started to break up before hand, it's extremely unlikely.

Up until a short while ago there had never been a hemispheric quake on the Sun, and scientists did not know this could happen. The fact that a comet has not, in the experience of the scientists, apparently dragged any significant debris does not mean that a comet has never done so, nor does it mean that this could not occur in the future at some time. In the grand order of things the experience of scientists exists for a millisecond or two in 24 hrs.

If you re-read my reply, you'll see that I acknowledged that it may be possible.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say in your reply regarding the discovery of hemispheric quakes. Are you suggesting that we could suddenly discover some new phenomenon that causes objects to be dragged behind other objects, and that this may be the cause of the former object changing its trajectory to hit us?

That makes no sense.

It's certainly not new news that there might be "larger" fragments lurking in the Taurid meteor stream, but no one has ever proved that they exist. In some years there are more Taurid fireballs than others, but no very large fireball has ever been shown to be a member of the Taurid complex. There is a great deal of empty space in the Taurid complex, which you would know if you had spent any time observing or reading about Taurids. This makes the chances of anything large enough to alter the course coming into contact with it very small.

Oh and by the way, you may want to get your facts straight since there have been real examples of comets dragging debris in the past

What I don't get is why you are suddenly worried about a comet dragging debris behind it, when we have many encounters with cometary dust trails throughout the year, every year, and much closer encounters than we are talking about here. Space is littered with debris streams crossing other debris streams which Earth also passes through, and yet we have no proven case of a cometary fragment endangering Earth. I'm not saying they cant, just that we tend to get hit by asteroids, not comets, and unless you have evidence to the contrary, why make such a big fuss about it?

reply to post by Cybermerc


Ok this relates to the timing of this. Please follow what I have to say. I might not be able to process all of it and put it together right now but here is part of it.

Puterman is making the association that this comet could hit Earth around Mid-Oct to Early November. It comes close to Earth but other comets have come closer. But the comet could change projectory before then or Earth could be passing through the comet's tail during that time. It would be interesting too if the comet gets close to the Sun and rips off the comet's tail or the comet itself due to a large CME. Anyways, this is something to watch for during that time period.

Now check this out.

unitedcats.wordpress.com...

COMET SMASHES TRIGGERED ANCIENT FAMINE

Multiple comet impacts around 1500 years ago triggered a "dry fog" that plunged half the world into famine.

www.spaceguarduk.com...

Notice how this likely comet around 536 AD plunged the world into a famine.

As I have come to my conclusion, the Great Tribulation period would begin Oct. 21st, 2011 lasting 1260 days until Passover April 4th, 2015 (Blood Red Moon)

The comet would be coming in around that time. It thus could be associated with Satan and his angels cast to Earth in Revelation 12

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (1260 days)
7 ¶ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent,called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

At that time too, there is a major Draconid (Draco the Dragon) meteor shower. Perhaps one of the best ever.

1260 days = 3 years and 6 months

Luke 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;

Comet smashes triggered ancient famine

www.newscientist.com...

Where else do we see "Satan" being cast down?

Luke 10

The Return of the Seventy
17 ¶ And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, Ps. 91.13 and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

The return of the seventy is associated with the Feast of the Tabernacles. And Oct. 21st, 2011 is the 8th Day of the Feast of Tabernacles

"The number sent on this mission (whether seventy or seventy-two) had spiritual and symbolic overtones. The Jews held that the Gentiles were made up of seventy nations; and at their feast of Tabernacles, "seventy bullocks were offered on behalf of the Gentile nations ... to make atonement for them." F3 The cities and places to which these seventy were dispatched were in Trans-Jordan F4 where Gentile population predominated."

www.searchgodsword.org...

Originally posted by Stargate2012
I am kind of tripping out now with the connection I have found.

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Please indulge us with your find. I have been reading and re-reading this thread, trying to learn everything I can....and now you have me on the edge of my seat like the latest best-seller!


EDIT: ok...thanks...looks like we posted at the same time.

Can anyon identify this bright star under orions belt. Right now! Never saw a star flash the way this one does. It is directly east of me about 30 degrees above the horizon in escondido/san diego ca

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Can you imagine if something hits Earth, whether it would be an asteroid or part of a comet and creates dusty weather blocking out the Sun for a couple of years or so, as it likely did in 536 A.D. Crops/harvests would go bad. And that equates to global chaos. Not good.

We are already hearing about this kind of stuff now.

Food crisis could lead to growing instability

www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org...

“deep poverty engendered by the shortage of food in so many parts of the world today – which looks like its getting a whole lot worse – that will represent a threat to religious freedom, to economic well-being, to political stability in the world. To peace in the world.”

Take away the food and global chaos with wars ensue.

reply to post by C.H.U.D.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say in your reply regarding the discovery of hemispheric quakes. Are you suggesting that we could suddenly discover some new phenomenon that causes objects to be dragged behind other objects, and that this may be the cause of the former object changing its trajectory to hit us?

No, I was pointing out we theorise about things and then suddenly discover something that we did not know. I don't think I ever said that dragging debris behind it would change it's course. You are combining two separate things and trying to make a whole and missing the point entirely. Science has been around a very short time in the life of the Universe. It does not know everything and unlike climate change the science is not settled, especially in astronomy and cosmology. This was the point I was making. Just because astronomy has not seen does not mean astronomy knows something cannot be for certain.

It's certainly not new news that there might be "larger" fragments lurking in the Taurid meteor stream, but no one has ever proved that they exist. In some years there are more Taurid fireballs than others, but no very large fireball has ever been shown to be a member of the Taurid complex. There is a great deal of empty space in the Taurid complex, which you would know if you had spent any time observing or reading about Taurids. This makes the chances of anything large enough to alter the course coming into contact with it very small.

You know when astronomer can "miss" a 10m wide meteor (Indonesia last year) I am not entirely filled with confidence that they can find anything in the Taurid belt and certainly not any black bodies that may be lurking between the present position of the comet and us. As I said the fact that no large fireball has been shown to be a member of the Taurid complex does not, as you have agreed, preclude that possibility. Blessed is he that has not seen yet believes.

Oh and by the way, you may want to get your facts straight since there have been real examples of comets dragging debris in the past

Curious, I thought it was me that said a comet could drag material and you that said it could not so thanks for confirming my own suspicions. It would appear from what you are saying that I did have my facts straight.

What I don't get is why you are suddenly worried about a comet dragging debris behind it, when we have many encounters with cometary dust trails throughout the year, every year, and much closer encounters than we are talking about here. Space is littered with debris streams crossing other debris streams which Earth also passes through, and yet we have no proven case of a cometary fragment endangering Earth. I'm not saying they cant, just that we tend to get hit by asteroids, not comets, and unless you have evidence to the contrary, why make such a big fuss about it?

It would seem that you have completely missed the point of what I said however there seems to be little mileage in repeating it. I am not in the least bit worried and have never stated that I was. Who is making a fuss? We are exploring possibilities however curious that may seem to your dogma steeped astronomical intransigence.

Unfortunately mainstream science, including astronomy has forgotten that science is all about questioning. You will forgive me for having no faith whatsoever in science when a scientific forum supported by PhysOrg and Scientific American - mainstream 'scientific' organisations - confronted with a new theory like the Electric Universe (well not so new actually) can make a statement like this.

Regrettably this hidebound closed mind set type of attitude will eventually be the downfall of this planet and of the human race.

reply to post by Alchemst7


How far under Orion's belt? If it is to the left and well below Orion it will be Sirius the Dog Star.

I am afraid your description was not enough to go on.

reply to post by Stargate2012


First let me say that the chances of Elenin hitting Earth are remote, but anything is possible - in other words the could is a very big could at the moment.

One of the possibilities is not that the comet could get hit by a CME but that it could cause it. You need to read up on the EU theory and Plasma Cosmology.

The article is quite good, and also almost certainly correct that the dark ages were caused by an atmospheric disturbance of mega proportions. This may have been Krakatau

It would appear from further reading about extreme weather events 535-536 that the likely cause was volcanic, however the possibility of a comet strike is not precluded.

I did find this passage from your Spaceguard link of interest.

Now Abbott and her team have found the first direct evidence that multiple impacts caused the haze. They found tiny balls of condensed rock vapour or "spherules" in debris inside Greenland ice cores dating back to early 536 AD. Though the spherules' chemistry suggests they did not belong to an impactor, they do point to terrestrial debris ejected into the atmosphere by an impact event, Abbott says. "This is the first concrete geological evidence for an impact at 536 AD," she says.

This will require more research I think! Not tonight however as it is getting on towards 5am so i will take this up again tomorrow.

Originally posted by PuterMan

By the way were you aware of this?

However, this shower has a Jekyll-and-Hyde personality. In 1933 and 1946 the Draconids dazzled skywatchers with astounding meteor "storms" - delivering shooting stars at rates that briefly topped 10,000 per hour! - because Earth crossed through a particularly dense ribbon of debris shed by the comet in 1900. The shower hasn't put on that kind of performance in the years since, though in 2005 it surged unexpectedly to double or triple the usual rate.

Source

Yes, and your point is?

Originally posted by PuterMan
I take it from your answer that you are party to all fireballs that have occurred during all meteor showers and have calculated the trajectories of all of them in order for you to be able to spout such utterly illogical nonsense.

Before you accuse me of spouting illogical nonsense, how about looking at what you are posting... were you serious when you asked if I was "party to all fireballs that have occurred during all meteor showers and have calculated the trajectories of all of them" ???

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape because I never said it could not happen,only that we have no proof that it has happened.

In 100's of thousands of hours of camera observations, and millions of hours of visual observations, all we see is that asteroidal debris causes the larger fireballs.

Originally posted by PuterMan

Whilst your supposition that a fireball occurring at the same time as a meteor shower may not be connected to the meteor shower may be correct, the fact of the matter is that a bolide or a fireball may well come in with a meteor shower and indeed they most likely do.

Again, I never said that fireballs are not produced by meteor showers, but if you check the evidence, there is no record of a very large fireball being connected to a meteor shower. If you have some, please show me it?

Originally posted by PuterMan
So given that the IAU defines it as a bright meteor, why could it not arrive in a meteor shower?

I never said it could not, just that the shower members that we do have data for (and there are many hours of combined observations done by both professional and trained amateur meteor observers alike), tend to produce fireballs that are not as large as small asteroids do.

Originally posted by PuterMan
Would that just be a teensy bit too logical perhaps?

There are many things that seem simple on the surface, but if you dig a bit deeper you will find that they were not as simple as you at first assumed. That is all I am trying to point out here.

Originally posted by PuterMan
In addition just how are you going to determine it's trajectory unless you actually see it and can define the point of origin and the final burn up location? Is your average observer going to be able to tell you this accurately so you can make your statement. No , I don't think so.

It's perfectly possible to reconstruct the trajectory of a fireball if enough fairly accurate sightings are reported by the general public. It does help if someone who knows what they are doing sees it obviously, but it is not a requirement. Even better if the fireball is caught by a camera, and there are more and more cameras every year. Some organizations have been running cameras for decades, but we are increasingly seeing footahe of meteors caught on CCTV cameras, emergency vehicle .dash cams, and even the occasional digi-cam/camcorder.

With a little bit of training anyone can be taught to separate members of known meteor showers from random meteors. With experience it's possible to make educated guesses about the origin of any particular meteor that is observed under reasonable conditions.

Originally posted by PuterMan
During the Geminids last year I saw a fireball. Well wouldn't you know it, it appeared out of the sky just below Gemini. Of course according to your theory that is just a pure coincidence

I saw fireballs during last years Geminids too, and also the year before that, but not all of them were Geminids. Last year the best fireball of the night was a sporadic for me, although Geminids outnumbered sporadics by a large amount.

Originally posted by PuterMan
despite the fact that you say the Geminids come from an asteroid source but then quickly say this is an 'extinct' comet.

So it's not reasonable to say that comets have a finite amount of material to give up before they "burnt out"? It's long been suspected that comets and asteroids are somehow related, and observations of the meteor shower support this. The peak of the shower is not very sharp and well defined, plus there is a widely spread out background of Geminid meteors, which suggests that the dust trails were laid down a long time ago.

We know this is true because there are very well documented sharp peaks that have been linked to currently active comets, such as the Leonid storms of the late 1990's/early 2000's. Trail encounters and the peak times they produced were accurately predicted to within a few minutes of the actual measured peaks, confirming that the science behind the models is correct.Strangely enough, this feat was accomplished despite electric universe "theory" not being taken into consideration.

Originally posted by PuterMan
I guess the 'dirty snowball' analogy does not work too well then? In my opinion there is little wrong with the 'supposition' made by Stargate2012 as a possibility.

Those who study comets know that "dirty-snowball" is a bad analogy. A better one is probably a "snowy-dirtball". No one is saying we can explain everything with what we have found out so far, but that does not mean we should throw out perfectly good science and exchange it for some half-baked theory.

Originally posted by PuterMan

Woogleuk has his facts straight.

Let me rephrase that for you. He has his facts straight in accordance with the establishment bible of astronomy to which you both obviously subscribe. That does not mean they are right. There is often more than one possibility to these things and alternative theories should be investigated.

I agree there is always a chance of getting it wrong, and I do not take any one possibility as "set in stone", but when the theory matches my own personal observations, then why would I want to believe they are all wrong?

That is not to mention that my own personal observations also tally with observations made by other amateur and professional astronomers.

Originally posted by PuterMan
Closed minds will lead to the destruction of our planet and the human race.

Jumping to conclusions without really knowing what you are talking about,will just confuse and frighten the general public. No one ever said life was safe, but the fact that you and I are still here is proof that the human race is unlikely to be wiped out by the end of the year.