Wikileaks to be given data on Swiss bank accounts

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iam just curious, what are those hand signs he did at end of the video when he was being photographed?
it may be nothing, just wanna know what others think about that

reply to post by mobiusmale


Actually I would, since I have nothing to hide. But thats my perogative not yours.

And did I say everyone? Reads back on my comments. No I did not. So please stop trying to distort my comments thank you vert much.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
Because the possession and transmission of kiddie porn is illegal.

As is the blocking of the transparency of government officials dealings in Western countries.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
If a citizen through his or her lawful activity, or a law enforcement agency in its lawful activities, becomes aware of this kind of activity then it would be permissible to use that knowledge to pursue charges against that individual. This is okay.

If this always occurred then America would still be a British colony, espionage wouldn't exist and there would be no need for a forum like this.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
What is not okay, is to hack into millions of people's hard drives, and then release all of their contents - when those contents do not reveal any illegal activity.

I do not think you understand how Wikileaks works.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
The same kind of thing can be said for people who are in possession of illegal narcotics. If through some lawful means or event, it is discovered that they are in possession, then they can be prosecuted. If this knowledge is gained through some illegal activity, then the evidence is inadmissible - and the person who obtained it illegally is liable to sanction.

From the point of view of layman these seem like fine terms. When the CIA has been proven to have trafficked drugs from Vietnam and Laos to the US, soldiers are sent to die in a war without precedent and banks are bailed out by tax payer money whilst still hitting these tax payers for illegal payments on ill-thought out loans then I think you are forgetting what the law is there to service and protect.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
Are these difficult concepts?

Not to me. However I don't live in a country where the concept of a free healthcare system for all is seen as a problem and actors take important roles in government.

-m0r

It should be obvious to everyone that my use of "kiddie porn" is a device to draw attention the fact that "illegal is illegal".

Possession and dissemination of stolen property is equivalent (in a non-emotional legal sense) to possession and dissemination of anything else that is illegal to possess and disseminate.

I completely understand that people are curious, and want to see somebody else's dirty laundry aired...for the entertainment value.

But this does not negate the fact that what Wikileaks does is store and then transmit private/confidential material that it knows was obtained illegally. Worse, it transmits reams of privileged information that it knows does not reveal anything illegal (embarrassing maybe).

I have said before that if Wikileaks were to carefully scrutinize the information that came its way and then, after consultation with competent legal counsel, only released information that indicated clearly illegal activity, then they would be performing a valuable public service.

But, as it is now...and now seems to be getting even worse...it needs to be shut down. It's activities are more criminal than 90% of what it releases.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
But, as it is now...and now seems to be getting even worse...it needs to be shut down. It's activities are more criminal than 90% of what it releases.

It, so far, has released anything that should be available under the FOIA - there are no military targets, no 'personal' details and nothing 'illegal'.

It has released government documents, which belong to the people, and it may shortly release information about banks (bailed out with government money) and some transactions which are questionable between individuals and large corporations.

When the system is set from the top down - who watches the watchers?

There must be potential here as the energy put into trying to stop this so far shows how those with the purse-strings operate when threatened. Have you any idea why Julian Assange's Swiss bank account was frozen? Has there been a public record of why that occurred? There should be.

-m0r

Originally posted by mobiusmale
So, now we are going from releasing routine Government diplomatic correspondence, of a non-criminal nature...to the release of personal financial information, of a non-criminal nature.

It is not about the savings of John Doe, but about fiscal frauds.

In the past Germany even bought such CDs for a lot of money, only to guarantee exemption of punishment to those, who report themselves. More then 23 000 people did so last year.

If there would be a reason, not to publish the names of such fraudsters, then it would be to leave them all in uncertainty and wait, how many will report themselves. Since there is no punishment, this wouldn't help a lot.

So better let Wikileaks publish their names, as a stimulus for being more honest the next time.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
So, now we are going from releasing routine Government diplomatic correspondence, of a non-criminal nature...to the release of personal financial information, of a non-criminal nature.

It is criminal behavior for many of the citizens involved. Have you paid any attention to the story at all?

Originally posted by mobiusmale
What's next, somebody will hack people's personal emails and "leak" them to Wikileaks...which will then be released for all of the voyeurs to review in sordid detail?

No, because that is not in the public interest. These people are acting illegally, avoiding their tax responsibilities as citizens of a country.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
Somebody will hack many people's bank accounts and "leak" them to Wikileaks...which will be then be released for all of the identity thieves to use and abuse?

How have you reached this illogical conclusion? I think you need to look up the definition of "whistle-blower"

Originally posted by mobiusmale
When are all of you Wiki-morons going to start to understand that this information - and especially now personal information - is being stolen from its rightful owners, and then being used in a careless manner to injure (often) innocent people.

Pot - kettle - black.
Us "Wiki-morons" actually understand the story, we understand what WL is doing (the job of the traditional press which is now exclusively owned and controlled by your government in association with their corrupt corporate partners).
Information is indeed being stolen, just as your government steals information through email and phone tapping. Why is one legal and the other not?

This information is being retrieved to expose immoral, corrupt, illegal and downright socially unacceptable behavior by an elite ruling class. In my opinion, exposing these vermin is perfectly fine.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
Your lurid desire to peek into the windows of your fellow citizens, and to know all of their private details, does not trump people's right to privacy.

Wikileaks, and all copycat websites like it, need to be prosecuted. People who access their illegally obtained materials...and especially those who then further disseminate it...should be prosecuted the same way that kiddie porn perveyors are.

I would love to see the reaction of the breathless posters on here...if it was their personal information that was about to be revealed.

Comparing people who appreciate the actions of WL to pedophiles is a cheap, nasty and sick little trick you've got there. Go and wash your mouth out with soap.
You should REALLY be ashamed of yourself for using such a pathetic tactic.
And you know that resorting to such inflamatory statements leaves you with absolutely NO credibility don't you? It makes you look desperate.

People couldn't care less about the opinions, lives and secrets of the average person. The leaks of information from Facebook accounts and the response to loss of data by governments shows that your analysis of this situation and your assessment of those wanting to view this is completely warped.

You don't understand the most basic aspects of tax evasion and yet you're quick to point your finger at others about what they should and shouldn't do and how they should be treated for reading this information?

The only thing that your post makes clear is that you are resolutely against freedom of information and the exposure of criminal activity.

Go you for supporting criminals!

Originally posted by mobiusmale
But, as it is now...and now seems to be getting even worse...it needs to be shut down. It's activities are more criminal than 90% of what it releases.

I should have read this post before responding to your first.

This clearly shows that you'd prefer to live under a dictatorship. So, obviously, you would see a site such as WikiLeaks as a threat, any freedom of opinion and any criticism of the status-quo would be unacceptable to you.

And for clarity, the publishing of leaked information is NOT ILLEGAL. The theft of information is what is illegal in many nations.

Again, I think you need to gather the facts and actually be aware of what you state before you state it.

reply to post by Extralien

Whistleblowers are Heroes

Thank you for this story. Warms my heart. Tells me all is not lost in this crazy world.

Mr Elmer is scheduled to go on trial in Switzerland on Wednesday for breaking bank secrecy laws.

The banker, who has given data to Wikileaks before, was fired from Swiss bank Julius Baer in 2002.

...He said he was put in prison in Switzerland for 30 days for violating Swiss banking rules, and that he was offered money and the withdrawal of charges against him in order to buy his silence.

The data included the offshore accounts of about 40 politicians, he said, and covered accounts at three banks, including his former employer.

Go Elmer! Go Wikileaks!

Stop the looting. Stop the raping and pillaging of our planet.

Thank you.

Interesting...thanks for informative read.

reply to post by Extralien


That's not FAIR!! NOW Where the heck will I send my money when I win the Lottery?
That is so not cool Switzerland!!!!
I guess I will have to send my money to a bank account in the Caymen's instead.

Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to post by mobiusmale

 

Take your head out of your backside dude. You really need to. Your attacking my comments when you are the one who is defending these people who have depostied thier money into swiss bank accounts. Arent you going to have egg on your face when and if it is revealed those whom have done this have done so, out of sinister needs at the expense and pain of others.

That is total and complete conjecture and heresay.
If I win the lottery and decide to put all my cash in a swiss bank, What did I do that was fraudelant or illegal? Absolutely nothing, the money even if it coms from earnings is ours to do WHATEVER WE WANT WITH!

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by Extralien

 

Whistleblowers are Heroes

Thank you for this story. Warms my heart. Tells me all is not lost in this crazy world.

Mr Elmer is scheduled to go on trial in Switzerland on Wednesday for breaking bank secrecy laws.

The banker, who has given data to Wikileaks before, was fired from Swiss bank Julius Baer in 2002.

...He said he was put in prison in Switzerland for 30 days for violating Swiss banking rules, and that he was offered money and the withdrawal of charges against him in order to buy his silence.

The data included the offshore accounts of about 40 politicians, he said, and covered accounts at three banks, including his former employer.

Go Elmer! Go Wikileaks!

Stop the looting. Stop the raping and pillaging of our planet.

Thank you.

maybe these leaks will show how their are corrupt leaders of nations who are robbing their countries blind and stashing it all in swiss bank accounts. stand by people, tunisia could be the start of a massive uprising.

I remember reading that Saddam had many swiss bank accounts in the millions maybe billions and he laundered money through them to Al Queda etc. Will be interesting if any of this comes out. Also the survivor holocaust fund and German money that the swiss have been sitting on since WWII.

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stand by people, tunisia could be the start of a massive uprising.

It could be indeed.

i have listens to a few youtube videos of a american bloke called gerald celente. if my memory serves me correct, isnt this sort of thing one of his "trends" that he has predicted is coming.

I'll be interested to see what comes out, but my sympathy for assange as an individual has diminished considerably since he fell out with The Guardian Newspaper claiming that they breached copyright by covering the cables in their paper...WTF is that all about? Assange nicked them in the first place, or at least got them off someone who stole them. It's like the kettle calling the pot black. As much as Assange claims he's doing this for the greater good, he's a self serving fool and that will be his downfall in the end.

Originally posted by m0r1arty

There must be potential here as the energy put into trying to stop this so far shows how those with the purse-strings operate when threatened. Have you any idea why Julian Assange's Swiss bank account was frozen? Has there been a public record of why that occurred? There should be.

lt currently is being investigated.

Swiss Bank PostFinance had announced closure of an account in the name of Julian Assange linked to Wikileaks last week. Now it is being investigated on criminal charges.

Read more: newsflavor.com...

IMHO i feel pretty confident that the details contained on the disc will no doubt disclose criminal activity.

I have seen some posts that seem to suggest it is just a bunch of random names and personal information. Seriously ?
What interest would that be even to those of us whom are afflicted by overwhelming curiosity? I assure you if that were the case not many would care to spend their time trawling over it. I know i wont.

And as for people who may disagree with others opinions and then make mention of the most filthy crime in the same sentence as their target (in this case wikileaks) so as to stigmatise and associate one thing with the other, I think is low tactic.

I am sure that most people are unaware that once for expample: "mobiusmale" appears in the same sentence as "kiddieporn" the two remain associated subconsciously forever more.

Enjoy your association.

Play fair or dont play at all
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I wonder if this has any correlation to the release of this story in anyway, too early to tell perhaps?

Switzerland reveals illegal US spying

...well maybe this will answer the question proposed above...

Reacting to leak, Swiss officials accuse US of illegal spying operations

different leak?

A lot of action going on for the Swiss these days, I guess being "Neutral" gets boring