Christians are becoming social pariahs in Britain, claims BBC presenter Jeremy Vine

reply to post by Gorman91


Not really, it just shows the gullibility of some people. It's not their fault though, they've been indoctrinated from birth to believe what their parents believe.

It's kind of like when you follow a football team. You only support that football team because your dad (and possibly the rest of your family) does; he's taken you to matches, watched it on tele with you and later on in life taken you the pub to watch it. He tells you stories about the glory days, how they used to be the best team ever etc. So you believe that team is the best and no others can rival it

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by undo

The people that stalk my children and are whining about being social pariahs are quite happy with the bible story as it is, Elnil Enki et al are not on the table here Undo.

there you go telling me what to do again.
i already have parents (Well, had, they are both passed on to that great fishing hole and antique shop in the sky)


anyway, unless i'm outside the terms of the TOS, or are offending you personally, with my theories, then if'n ya don't mind not telling me what to do for a few, i'll keep posting here, otherwise, ya know, i think my world of warcraft game just disconnected, and i could go run around digital woods and pick digital flowers and stuff.

reply to post by Griffo


Everyone is indoctrinated in some way shape and or form. The only way not to be is to be raised by a robot on a desert Island. The point is that one line of indoctrination allowed lots of people to say they were something. But as the bible says, all of them failed. Everyone except Jesus. Now that's got to mean something. because rather than give up their faith, some chose to believe what they thought they saw. It was a belief that was seemingly un-destroyable to those whom saw it, unlike all the others, whom quickly abandoned their faith and ran for the hills once they had a loss. Jesus's followers did not. When they lost, and they virtually lost everything, they kept going. What kept them going?

reply to post by blupblup


Are you kidding me? The intellectuals--or liberals, whatever works--have no qualms with bashing Christianity, but Islam is the "religion of peace" and Jews can never be criticized or you are an antisemite. Don't even get me started about how eastern religions get off easy to not seem culturally intolerant. It's fashionable to mock Christianity by all sectors of society, even by tolerant Toms.

reply to post by Gorman91

Sathya Sai Baba was shown to be a fake. He's also not good of replicating it in front of leaders and recorders. Jesus was. Fail/

A couple of million people testify otherwise, meeting the same requirements as your jesus

He's also not good of replicating it in front of leaders and recorders.

There is no contemporaneous evidence that the Jesus character (the one that mentioned in the bibles) ever existed ie recorded. World leaders nor recorders (pleas don't do the Josephus forgery that's been put to bed time and again on ATS) make any mention of the gospel character the earliest mention was by an alleged writer around 68-70 AD.

In contrast Sai Baba has been personally witnessed by millions of simple honest people has been record on TV and Radio and been interviews by living scribes of today.

Not unlike the character of jesus (the one in the gospels) there are a handful of skeptics that reject him similar to the Sanhedrin but clearly they are influenced by the enemy.

Again, Sai Baba not only meets your requirements of the attributes of being a god he "surpasses them" he is by your standard a living god born of a virgin etc etc.

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by undo

The people that stalk my children and are whining about being social pariahs are quite happy with the bible story as it is, Elnil Enki et al are not on the table here Undo.

there you go telling me what to do again.

i already have parents (Well, had, they are both passed on to that great fishing hole and antique shop in the sky)


anyway, unless i'm outside the terms of the TOS, or are offending you personally, with my theories, then if'n ya don't mind not telling me what to do for a few, i'll keep posting here, otherwise, ya know, i think my world of warcraft game just disconnected, and i could go run around digital woods and pick digital flowers and stuff.

Don't be silly I'm not telling you what to do I'm asking you to stay on topic if you don't choose to that's up to you.

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by blupblup

 

Are you kidding me? The intellectuals--or liberals, whatever works--

So you don't have intellectual conservatives?

Hmmmmm

I would have thought intellectual and liberal were entirely separate.

have no qualms with bashing Christianity, but Islam is the "religion of peace" and Jews can never be criticized or you are an antisemite.

As I said, you obviously don't watch the news or read newspaper.

Muslims are and have been vilified in a calculated campaign, since 9/11.

And Jews are apparently responsible for all the worlds ills.

So yeah, I guess you're the one doing the kidding.

reply to post by blupblup


so you think all atheists agree on world views? what the guy in the op is saying is, it's getting increasingly more hostile for christians there because it's getting saturated with people who have a different viewpoint. kind of a good argument in favor of mixed societies, so people aren't ganging up on each other, if'n ya ask me.

reply to post by The Djin


so you don't want me to respond to other posters ? why aren't you bugging them to get back on topic or create new threads? cause I CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU 100%.

i want you to think about that because i'm tired of thinking about it.

reply to post by The Djin


That's nice. But I don't believe it. And like I said, the second you want to believe something, it crosses out of proof and into faith.

Proof comes from something not changing, testimony, and proof of the miracles. In this case, Jesus wins. his words have not changed, is miracles were displayed to leaders, not just the common people, and were shown to be true (this guy has not been shown to be true in front of leaders and experts), and his message is far too young to not change. Although considering the mixed claims by his followers, I'd say he's message is already changing. So he's close to failing that one.

This is the closest way to scientific proof. It's indifferent to peer review. It is checked by experts, stands the test of time to not change, and the general crowd of people agree to it.

There's also no contemporary evidence that Caesar, Alexandre, or Ramsees existed either. At a certain point we just accept it exist because it's been written down for so long and so many historians have linked them. They are known has historic missing links if you will. people whom link non contemporary to contemporary.

Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by undo

 

The virgin birth thing wasn't added in the bible until the third and fourth gospels which were written many years after the supposed event. Being born of a virgin was a trait that the sun gods of ancient had in common. I think it was just added in the beef up the claim he was the sun of god

edit on 21/1/2011 by Griffo because: (no reason given)

To quote Hitchens

"What is more credible, that the laws of nature be suspended in your favour, or that a Jewish minx should tell a lie ?"

reply to post by The Djin


Actually the virgin birth was written about by earlier prophets, and the traditions of the virgin birth go to as old as Christ. Their paintings and heretical gnostic folks have it too, and they are only a few decades after Christ.

reply to post by blupblup


If you can't see the obvious you are blind. You're either blind or kidding.

I triple dare you to go on TV and blame Jews for the world's ills and not make a public apology.

reply to post by The Djin


oh maybe science? why we ignoring science? artificial insemination is entirely possible.
why we ignoring that? hmm? why?

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by blupblup

 

what the guy in the op is saying is, it's getting increasingly more hostile for christians there because it's getting saturated with people who have a different viewpoint.

And what I'm saying, being a resident here and knowing a little about the topic, is that It's not getting more hostile at all... It's become a more fair and even playing field.
And after having it all their own way for a millenium and more.... Christians don't like it that they're now not the be all and end all of the world.


Big deal.

Get over it.

reply to post by The Djin


It's surprising how many people believe the latter. Woman accidentally gets knocked up outside of marriage because condoms aren't invented. Chance of getting stoned to death. God did it

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by blupblup

 

If you can't see the obvious you are blind. You're either blind or kidding.

I triple dare you to go on TV and blame Jews for the world's ills and not make a public apology.

Oooooo I triple dare you...?

How old are you.... Sheesh.

Yes, I'll raise the issues on my talk show tomorrow morning.

reply to post by undo


Because it wasn't invented back then. Are you seriously suggesting that with all his 'infinite power and wisdom' god would have to resort to using a turkey baster?

reply to post by Gorman91

this guy has not been shown to be true in front of leaders and experts)

Please provide the names of the experts on -

Turning water into wine

Walking on water

Raising the dead

The bread and fish thing

Please provide evidence of where they obtained their expertise

And finally since they were experts in this area what the hell was so miraculous ?

Then we'll go on with the rest of your post such as the names of the leaders and their recordings of said magik tricks

reply to post by blupblup


I'm not that old, to be honest. But do so, then in another show insult Christians similarly and maybe Hindus for good measure. Tell me how the experiment goes.