The Day Before Roswell

Good find and good post.
so the aliens got sloppy?

Originally posted by buddha
Good find and good post.
so the aliens got sloppy?

Sounds like you don't buy the crash excuse eh?

How about they were 'assisted' in crashing?

Originally posted by Gazrok
Roswell wasn't really the end of that UFO "flap". Instead though, the event marked a drastic change in the way the military then handled the subject and how it was reported. Indeed, it is either really coincidental timing, or the reason for, creating a Central Intelligence Agency to funnel info. Right after Roswell, we see the National Security Act. Project Sign son followed, Grudge, then Blue Book.

My theory is that Roswell scared the crap out of the military. They almost let the cat out of the bag, so had to create a protocol for dealing with it. We mustn't forget, they actually GOT AWAY WITH IT for decades. Wasn't until the 70's that another explanation for Roswell came out. Until then, the weather balloon story was the solution everyone bought.

Good points Gaz.

Roswell was obviously not the beginning or the end of the flap.

It began in May and ended in September as far as I can tell.

Keep in mind that the September re- organization and splitting of all military branches had already been in the works for quite some time before Roswell, splitting the Army and Air Force into separate entities for example, as part of the post- war reorganization effort.

Lucky timing for Truman, and he used to opportunity to create several alphabet soup agencies at the same time while he was at it.

Originally posted by karl 12
reply to post by A51Watcher

 

A51Watcher, very good question mate

- some 1947 sightings in this article have already been discussed but there are some interesting ones in there.

Local UFOs sighted

The week flying saucers came to the Inland Valley

Think the Inland Valley is the last place a flying saucer would visit?
Then consider the July 6, 1947, experience of the R.V. Allen family of Riverside Drive in Ontario:

"The rancher said that while he and Mrs. Allen and their daughter Dolores were seated in their motor car about 9:30 p.m., they saw a whole `school' of the strange discs overhead from south to north and insisted that they `played about in the air just as perch do in the water,"' wrote the Ontario Daily Report the next day.

Not convinced?

How about B.A. Runner who saw - and heard - some strange things that same night on West California Street?

"Runner reported that several of the discs sailed over his house about 8 p.m., circled about and returned, one of them flying so low that the sound of an attached motor could be distinctly heard," wrote the newspaper.

And this was the day BEFORE the startling announcement in Roswell, N.M., of the recovery of a "flying disc" by the Army. That disclosure (which was quickly refuted by military officials) has helped spawn decades of UFO sightings, invaders-from-Mars movies and conspiracy theorists.

Whether you believe in UFOs or not, it was obvious people locally - fueled by fear or wonder or too many stimulants - saw something up there.

On July 8, a "spinning platter" was said to have crashed into an almond grove near Lancaster. Redlands truck driver H.J. Stell reported "silvery eggs in a straight line" flew over March Field near Riverside.

Jerry McAdams saw a disc as "big as a house" in Beverly Hills: "It seemed to give off a low whistle as it disappeared."

On the morning of July 10, Pomona residents on West 10th Street told the Pomona Progress-Bulletin they saw three tumbling objects in the air, each sparkling as the sun reflected off them.

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Cheers.

Much appreciated additions as always Karl!

You are gonna break the bank one of these days.

usa's tech is based on a single spaceplane that crashed on roswell, driver must have been drunk

I'm a pleiadean elf.

Yellow = Manhattan Project locations

Blue = Military bases of note

Red = Sightings in 1947

I'm betting the military brass were not pleased to see the results above, which they undoubtedly had plotted on a daily basis.

Their primary concern of course being that their most sensitive bases might be being surveilled by high performance remote controlled bombs of unknown origin. Initial suspicion of course fell to the Russians.

The question then becomes who did possess such craft in 1947 that could perform 15,000 mph, 90º turns and abrupt about faces?

Even today who can do such things?

Wow! Great effort in your research OP! Stars and flag for you!

Goes to show that even an old topic can be viewed on a new light, from a different angle. You also gave me an idea...

If someone were to map out in chronological order the legit UFO sightings even years before Roswell and years after that...maybe we can find a pattern and see what the UFOs are aiming for. I mean, given that they are real, they wouldn't just fly randomly right? Every flight has to have a purpose, a mission. Are they mapping us out for military recon or resources...?

Did anyone even make a study like this? I'm sure it'll yield a ton of info...

originally posted by: IQPREREQUISITE
Wow! Great effort in your research OP!

Stars and flag for you!

Goes to show that even an old topic can be viewed on a new light, from a different angle. You also gave me an idea...

If someone were to map out in chronological order the legit UFO sightings even years before Roswell and years after that...maybe we can find a pattern and see what the UFOs are aiming for. I mean, given that they are real, they wouldn't just fly randomly right? Every flight has to have a purpose, a mission. Are they mapping us out for military recon or resources...?

Did anyone even make a study like this? I'm sure it'll yield a ton of info...

Thanks, glad you found it informative IQ, yes actually as I put the red dots on that map one at a time, I did indeed get a sense of the flight patterns and what they were aiming for.

And I intend on making a video showing those daily patterns day by day along with photos of the bases being 'visited' and the craft photographed when available.

As you can see by the most recent compilation of reports I posted, sorted by attributes such as speed, movement, and appearance for most of the year, that a major invasion of US airspace for recon by technology completely foreign (alien) to us was underway.

I think you'll like the video.

Just a heads up to those following this thread that I have posted several more Roswell Era sightings from my database that are a collection of Flying Disc reports made by pilots that year.

I posted them in a thread here that seemed appropriate for corroboration -

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: A51Watcher

Yellow = Manhattan Project locations

Blue = Military bases of note

Red = Sightings in 1947

There doesn't appear to be any correlation between sensitive locations and sightings based on that map. Washington, Oregon and Idaho seem to have seen greater activity than other states for some reason, while Los Angeles and San Francisco appear to have been of more interest than other population centers. It would appear that the west coast of particular interest, as was the interstate/highway system of the north-west. In my opinion, this isn't suggestive of a specific interest in our defense installations. Granted, I can't imagine what their objective may have been based on the pattern observed. If their intention was to gather information about our military or top secret programs, they should have concentrated their efforts there. If they meant to be seen and to announce their presence to the American people, or people of Earth generally, they should have concentrated on population centers.

That's such a strange pattern though. Why should the west coast be of particular interest? Why our highway/interstate network of the north-west? If their intention wasn't to be seen, then what advantage was there to operating in groups rather than spreading out and covering more ground? If they didn't wish to be seen, then why wouldn't they conceal themselves, as such an advanced species should have been capable of doing, either by some form of "cloak" or simply by operating at night? I can't understand the reasoning behind their activities.

If you compare the above map to this modern map of UFO sightings, both appear very similar. There's now less interest in the North-West and greater interest in the East Coast, particularly Washington, New York City and Philadelphia. Never the less, statistics show that California remains the most active state. Yet New York City is now the most active city, where Los Angeles is now the second most active. San Francisco no longer ranks among at the top anymore.

I wonder why some aspects of this trend changed, and why other aspects of the trend have remained the same. Why should California be so fascinating? For that matter, there's a strip right at the center of America, from the north to the south, which seems to have been ignored both in the past as well as now. Why should that be? Western Texas certainly has a large population and overall human activity than does Wyoming, for instance. Why the lack of interest along that strip? What doesn't that strip have that can be found everywhere else?

Could they be USO's operating from the sea, causing them to both take greater interest in the coasts and also to be generally more frequently seen there as they fly from the ocean over the land to their destination? Is that central strip being ignored due to some form of range issue, where they're coming from the ocean and that central strip is "too far?" That is, either too far logistically or too distant from their base of operations to be a priority?

Or is there some reason for the people of West Texas or West Kansas to be less likely to observe or "think they observed" a flying saucer than say the people of Wyoming or Montana?

Her e's a map showing UFO reports per capita. We again see a clear pattern of a higher frequency of sightings along the west coast. Why should that be?

Good observations Navarro.

Good questions as well.

The two different maps you linked seem to each tell a different story.

The first one does indeed display similar location patterns to 1947, even with increased interest in the east coast.


The 2 maps you posted must each be using a different database it would appear.

We would need to get this discrepancy sorted out before attempting to discern any current patterns in sightings.

originally posted by: Navarro

originally posted by: A51Watcher

Yellow = Manhattan Project locations

Blue = Military bases of note

Red = Sightings in 1947

There doesn't appear to be any correlation between sensitive locations and sightings based on that map. Washington, Oregon and Idaho seem to have seen greater activity than other states for some reason, while Los Angeles and San Francisco appear to have been of more interest than other population centers. It would appear that the west coast of particular interest, as was the interstate/highway system of the north-west. In my opinion, this isn't suggestive of a specific interest in our defense installations. Granted, I can't imagine what their objective may have been based on the pattern observed. If their intention was to gather information about our military or top secret programs, they should have concentrated their efforts there. If they meant to be seen and to announce their presence to the American people, or people of Earth generally, they should have concentrated on population centers.

That's such a strange pattern though. Why should the west coast be of particular interest? Why our highway/interstate network of the north-west? If their intention wasn't to be seen, then what advantage was there to operating in groups rather than spreading out and covering more ground? If they didn't wish to be seen, then why wouldn't they conceal themselves, as such an advanced species should have been capable of doing, either by some form of "cloak" or simply by operating at night? I can't understand the reasoning behind their activities.

If you zoom the image I posted above by right clicking on it, then choosing open image in new tab, you can more easily observe the yellow dots indicating Manhattan Project locations, where craft often hovered for periods of time.

They seem to have visited all of them (at least the 'hot' ones) without fail.

The other sightings appear to be people noting their journey to and from these locations in which they did not hover.

That's the pattern I have been picking up from the 1947 sightings.

originally posted by: Navarro
Her e's a map showing UFO reports per capita. We again see a clear pattern of a higher frequency of sightings along the west coast. Why should that be?

On closer inspection it appears the per capita map was created from Peter Davenport's database of the UFO reporting center "which began collecting reports in 1974". (Which excludes a huge number of sightings pre- 1974.)

The modern map of UFO sightings displays a large trail along the upper east coast, but the per capita one does not.

The implication is that the high population density along the east coast relegates these sightings to a low level rating.

Even in California the high density population centers are relegated to low level.

The high level areas seem to be more "in the sticks".

Thus the higher per capita rating.


I find it quite interesting that the modern map of UFO sightings and the one of 1947 should be so similar.

So whatever the attraction was early on, continues to hold an appeal today.

Scans of the planet's surface showing highly radioactive material would probably place it on the itinerary.

Locations with active radar were probably found to be targets of interest as well.

Monitoring jets that were scrambled to engage them would provide the location of their origin, which again would put it on the itinerary.

Those are my observations from reading the 1947 reports.