Bush Stomps off Stage Upset

disrespecting an office doesn't mean disobeying the office

So I can disrespect my father's position as Father but not disobey him? I can disrespect a policeman and call him a fagot yet obey his commands? It is obvious you have a twisted idea of what respect is. You don't need to bow or make someone high and mighty to respect the office they hold. You do not even need to respect the man but you should respect the office. There were times when my dad, who passed away several years ago, did some things that made me loose all respect for him personally, yet I discovered that if I disrespected his position as my dad it only brought harm to me. Yet when I respected his position as my father, even though I did not respect him as a man, my life and relationship with him went in the right direction. In fact giving him the respect he personally didn't deserve except through his office as my father helped him to become a much better father to the point where shortly before he passed away he had earned my personal respect and admiration again.

[edit on 11-7-2004 by Johannmon]

Originally posted by koji_K

Originally posted by Johannmon

Originally posted by df1


Tell me, what would a president need to do inorder for him to lose your respect?

The simple answer to that is impeachment.

i think the idea was that the president is a servant just as much as a white house janitor is a servant.

Exactly koji_k, thanks for explaining to Johannmon.

Johannmon is feigning ignorance and indignation to avoid answering my simple question. Impeachment is something done by others. My question is: what would the president need to do for Johannmon to lose his respect for the man?

Johannmon, your actions thus far are dishonorable and certainly not worthy of respect. Nevermind, I can see you are not qualified to remark on this subject. Sorry to have troubled you.
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If a person is going to hold a public office, they are under the scruitiny of the public eye. They are held to a higher standard.

They live their life inside a glass bowl. This goes with the job.

The President of the Untied States, is a position of honor and has many resposibilities.

The President should act and govern accordingly. This person should be worthy of the position of Commander and Chief. He's the role model for the citizens of the land here and abroad.

Rather than Bush serve actively oversea's in the US military, his silver spoon status, his father's influence and father's croney's, permitted Bush a glorified state side position of fly-boy, as was in vogue at the time, without ever seeing active combat.

Bush is that little rich kid who's Daddy always came to his rescue.

Is this someone who you want as your Commander and Chief?

Is this someone worthy of the honor's granted to someone in this esteemed position?

Is this someone who can justifiably tell me to send my sons into combat?

If a person is going to hold a public office, they are under the scruitiny of the public eye. They are held to a higher standard.

They live their life inside a glass bowl. This goes with the job.

The President of the Untied States, is a position of honor and has many resposibilities.

The President should act and govern accordingly. This person should be worthy of the position of Commander and Chief. He's the role model for the citizens of the land here and abroad.

Rather than Bush serve actively oversea's in the US military, his silver spoon status, his father's influence and father's croney's, permitted Bush a glorified state side position of fly-boy, as was in vogue at the time, without ever seeing active combat.

Bush is that little rich kid who's Daddy always came to his rescue.

Is this someone who you want as your Commander and Chief?

Is this someone worthy of the honor's granted to someone in this esteemed position?

Is this someone who can justifiably tell me to send my sons into combat?

Can I get an amen!?

-Attero

[edit on 11-7-2004 by Attero Auctorita]

As a South African, I am fascinated at the attitude of some people here. I listen to a local talk radio show, here in SA, all the time and when Bush is mentioned, the show turns into a anti-American show-piece. Seeing Americans do it, worries me big time. I'm certainly no Bush fan, and see him as a bumbling idiot, dancing to someone elses tune. Bush, being a human being ( I presume), means that he is just as liable to crack under stress. After all, he has had to deal with a hell of a lot of stress during his tenure so far. Even though most of it may be due to his own ineptness, walking off a stage may just be that he has had enough.

You made me think of a mini clip I saw a while back. Here is a link to it.

Give it a chance to load!

www.bushcartoon.com...

Originally posted by bjamison
Seeing Americans do it, worries me big time.

Worries me too. This is what our freedom of speech and lack of respect gets us.

Does it occur to anyone ever that half of the bad opinions the rest of the world have of us comes from our own mouths? We must look like idiots, especially when it comes to picking our leaders, (this is not just a Bush phenomenon either so don't give me the one about he didn't really win.) Let's see, we elect them, then we trash them for four years and then sometimes we elect them again.

At the very least this must appear hysterically foolish to the rest of the world.

No, I have to disagree.


This is what our lack of research does prior to going to the polls.

This is what lack of voter turnout does at the polls.

This is what happens when the "good ole boy" system is in place.

This is what happens when elected officials aren't held accountable.

Need I continue?

I bet he was told to walk off if questions arose such as Enron etc...
Thats what happens to men in power, like most men driven by greed and left open to abuse from those who have money.
I take it he must of done some favours for Enron Directors at some stage.
John Kerry take note..

Originally posted by Relentless

Originally posted by bjamison
Seeing Americans do it, worries me big time.

Worries me too. This is what our freedom of speech and lack of respect gets us. Does it occur to anyone ever that half of the bad opinions the rest of the world have of us comes from our own mouths?

Lack of respect for the US government is not caused by the unrestrained freedom speech, lack of respect is earned just like respect is earned. Expecting silence from the american people in the face of disrespectful acts from the government is nothing short of demagogic cowardice.

Kill me if you must, but I for one will not be respectful or silent in the face of evil government acts. The rest of the world lusts to have the same freedom of speech and the use of it by americans is a uniquely american badge of honor.
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Not to go off topic or root for any one but what about the king of pop? MJ was asked hard questions and he stayed for his own interview weather he lied or not, no one has SOLID evidence of MJ commiting crime or its as solid as Bush's crimes (WMD/oil). Bush could have said " I want to talk about current events and I am calling this meeting off because I don't think it will be productive". What would happen in court if you didn't answer a hard question? Clinton did answer the big question even if he lied based on his opinion of sex.

Metallica is sort of like Bush if you think about it.

Originally posted by df1

Lack of respect for the US government is not caused by the unrestrained freedom speech, lack of respect is earned just like respect is earned. Expecting silence from the american people in the face of disrespectful acts from the government is nothing short of demagogic cowardice.

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Hmmm..... you really got a lot of wrong conclusions from what you think I said.

I didn't say silence was the alternative, in fact I wouldn't. I just think that opinions (such as for example what is and isn't a disrespectful act:lol can be expressed intelligently without a lot of flaming and mud throwing.

Ranting and raving over and over again about opinions of things often loosely based on fact (or assumtions for that matter) don't do any more for our credibility than the credibility of what is being attacked, and this is what I am talking about. More would be accomplished by an intelligent conversation that shows respect for the others opinion whether or not you agree with it.

I am certain I do not agree with a lot of your views on politics, but I certainly respect your right to have it. I also respect your right to free speech even it includes you choosing to be disrespectful, I just personally feel that is not as effective.

"Turns out George got visibly upset by reporters when they asked him about his relationship with Enron executive Kenneth Lay. He stomped off the stage and left Scott McClellan to continue with the briefing.'

This whole thread is about our opinions............

Originally posted by mako0956
"Turns out George got visibly upset by reporters when they asked him about his relationship with Enron executive Kenneth Lay. He stomped off the stage and left Scott McClellan to continue with the briefing.'

This whole thread is about our opinions............

Yes, I've been following this since it started, you are telling me this because????

In my opinion this has been blown out of porprtion for another excuse to flame Bush. The first source in the thread uses the term "stomp", but the source is an extremely biased publication, in fact there is NOTHING at their website but anti-Bush/Republican articles. The picture does not appear to me to be a man stomping off, just walking away, (and that is all the second link says in their report) from probably another question that has already been asked and answered.

Hey, at least he didn't feel the need to LIE!

After the 9/11 attacks, the US government passed bills that would ordinarily have been rejected outright by the US citizens. The natural response that the bills were not rejected was totally from a point of view of defence. Now people are starting to question these laws, but it is too late, as they are now law. The next attack/s will induce the same defence mechanism, and allow stricter laws to be passed. Bush is on an agenda, even he is unabe to understand. Before you know it, Mashall law will be introduced and people will say it is against the constitution. Little will they know that the "constitition" they grew up loving and respecting does not even exist on paper anymore, excepting in the archives and at the Smithsonian institute.

Johannmon, your actions thus far are dishonorable and certainly not worthy of respect. Nevermind, I can see you are not qualified to remark on this subject. Sorry to have troubled you.

DF1 I challenge you to show me any action that I have taken that is dishonorable. The topic of my discussion has always been primarily about respect for the office of the president. You asked me when I would abandon that level of respect for President Bush. My answer was when he was no longer president. Now if you want to ask your question saying when do I loose respect for the man George Bush that can happen when he operates in a manner to loose my respect such as perjuring himself, breaking the law, Cheating on his wife, ect. I do not need to respect the man however to respect the office and that is the point I have tried to communicate to you but your partisanship and loathing for the president seems to make you incapable of understanding the difference between respecting an office and respecting a man and how you can have the one but not the other. You have also demonstrated who is truely the one who cannot make a lucid argument on this subject by resorting to more baseless accusations. You still believe after all I have posted that I am some kind of rabid Bush supporter. That is fine. Flame away with torch of resentment and disrespect. You only demonstrate all the more clearly the cancerous bias that has clouded your reason.

I am telling you this because this is a forum where people share info and voice their opinions.

You are saying "I respect your right to have your opinion, but express it this way....".

"Let's see, we elect them, then we trash them for four years and then sometimes we elect them again".

*Last time I remember voting, it wasn't for Bush . I didn't llike him then, and I like him even less this time, now that I have seen -him in action- or should I sat non-action.

Originally posted by Johannmon

Johannmon, your actions thus far are dishonorable and certainly not worthy of respect. Nevermind, I can see you are not qualified to remark on this subject. Sorry to have troubled you.

DF1 I challenge you to show me any action that I have taken that is dishonorable. The topic of my discussion has always been primarily about respect for the office of the president.

Well, I for one have to say that the postings between these two are proving my point. In a nutshell, Johannmon is at least posting intelligent thought in a respectful manner, and DK1 finds that no one deserves his respect and therefore justifies his/her right to just be disrespectful. (Oh, and so sorry for annoying you) This is getting us nowhere however, as it seems the bottom line of the problem is that disrespectful people do not really understand the term.

Johannmon, you get a vote for staying the course in a losing battle to get the point across without sinking to their level!

And Mako, sorry but you too seem to be misinterpreting what I wrote or just twisting my words for some unfathomable reason

[edit on 11-7-2004 by Relentless]

You know, the topic of this thread is "Bush walking off stage during a briefing".

The posters are posting about why they do or do not respect the President, what is considered respectful behaviors etc... and why or why not.

You, have come on this thread seeking to disrupt the thread by stiring up strife between these two posters by attempting to pit one against the other, which has nothing to do with Bush walking off the stage- the thread's topic.

Both of these two people are entitled to their opinion on the topic however off the wall or righteous they sound.

I believe in free speech, as does df1. Johannmon brings their own bias's to the discussion as well, sharing a personal story. Both of these standpoints are interesting and have their own merit.

You on the other hand are telling us, the posters, our opinion's matter, IF they are done to your standard and you agree with the opinion.

You the go on to give your "review" of a site a poster offers:

"In my opinion this has been blown out of porprtion for another excuse to flame Bush. The first source in the thread uses the term "stomp", but the source is an extremely biased publication, in fact there is NOTHING at their website but anti-Bush/Republican articles".

Apparently, the people at this site don't hold the same opinion as you and therefore is what did you call it? Oh, " an extremely biased publication" which offered what? "NOTHING at their website but anti-Bush/Republican articles".

Your avatar states: "Relentlessly Deny Ignorance". Well, live up to that by exploring all the facts before you close your mind.

Mako

Bush the man deserves little respect. This judgment can be formed simply from his public deportment. The fact that he and his cronies have so badly tainted the office of POTUS on the international stage and what it will take to recover respect for that office are separate and more important issues.

[edit on 11-7-2004 by MaskedAvatar]