Your True Star Signs: What You Should Know

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Hi LeoVirgo, that's very interesting info. As I said before, there are all kinds of experiments ongoing in Astrology. No one knows everything in Astrology -- too broad a field. So if you're working on creating your own Astrology, more power to you.

SeaWind

Originally posted by Confused123
Hey I find this whole thing very interesting and wonder what my chart would say... Is there anyway you can do a reading for me please?

I was born on November 25, 1993 at 11:43 AM
The location is : 25.73960, -80.21530 which is miami FL

Confused123, if you're NOT in a hurry and can content yourself with a "quickie" reading. I happen to be very busy at the moment. Maybe in a couple of days.

SeaWind

reply to post by Human_Alien


I found that very interesting! My two daughters were born only a day apart (different years), so one would think that they would be much alike, astrologically speaking, but nope. I put in their info and the results were VERY accurate. Thanks for that link... I was quite impressed.

Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

Hi LeoVirgo, that's very interesting info. As I said before, there are all kinds of experiments ongoing in Astrology. No one knows everything in Astrology -- too broad a field. So if you're working on creating your own Astrology, more power to you.

SeaWind

Just to note...I dont feel I am trying to 'create something new' but yet bring back something old.

All my best
LV

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Hi Leo/Virgo,

I realize "Walter Berg" has written at least one book on the 13 signs zodiac, is there software that supports the 13 signs? Or do you have to do the calculations manually? Do they issue an IAU emphemeris? Is there a website devoted to "Bergian" Astrology?

Ophiuchus as the 13th sign has been around for decades. Ophiuchus as a part of the sign of Scorpio has been around for AGES.

Apparently, you're completely sold on the superiority of using the IAU Zodiac.

ALL types of Astrology use REAL astronomical data in their charts (even Tropical), but the positions are seen thru the framework of twelve 30 degree signs. The signs are symbolic and have MEANING accrued thru observation over a long period of time. The problem with Tropical is that it ignores Precession.

The Tropical Zodiac is aligned with the Vernal Equinox (which determines the Seasons) and is NOT completely worthless, especially for work that depends on the seasonal tides. However, (since I'm a Siderealist) I do NOT consider the Tropical useful for Natal readings.

(I'm posting this on my thread as well.)

SeaWind

Originally posted by gemineye
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

I found that very interesting! My two daughters were born only a day apart (different years), so one would think that they would be much alike, astrologically speaking, but nope. I put in their info and the results were VERY accurate. Thanks for that link... I was quite impressed.

Hi Gemineye,

I just looked at the Astrolabe site that Human_Alien provided. Unless I'm mistaken, it shows only Tropical Zodiac charts, NOT Sidereal. You might find the Sidereal charts more accurate.

One day apart can cause quite a difference.

SeaWind

Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

Hi Leo/Virgo,

I realize "Walter Berg" has written at least one book on the 13 signs zodiac, is there software that supports the 13 signs? Or do you have to do the calculations manually? Do they issue an IAU emphemeris? Is there a website devoted to "Bergian" Astrology?

Ophiuchus as the 13th sign has been around for decades. Ophiuchus as a part of the sign of Scorpio has been around for AGES.

Apparently, you're completely sold on the superiority of using the IAU Zodiac.

ALL types of Astrology use REAL astronomical data in their charts (even Tropical), but the positions are seen thru the framework of twelve 30 degree signs. The signs are symbolic and have MEANING accrued thru observation over a long period of time. The problem with Tropical is that it ignores Precession.

The Tropical Zodiac is aligned with the Vernal Equinox (which determines the Seasons) and is NOT completely worthless, especially for work that depends on the seasonal tides. However, (since I'm a Siderealist) I do NOT consider the Tropical useful for Natal readings.

(I'm posting this on my thread as well.)

SeaWind

I use astronomy programs to look at the degrees of each constellation as well as the exact position of the spheres in them.

I dont know of Walter Berg. Never heard of Bergian Astrology.

What I use, I have found on my own. Not only the information....but through experience as well.

Im going to leave you to your thread...and appreciate your thoughts you have shared. Im sorry you dont like the idea that someone is walking a path without following what another man has created for them. Even though I kindly, dont agree with giving readings.

We learn through experiences and observation....and that is what I am going by with what I offer to others. I encourage them to also look at experiences and observe the energy of the spheres...not by being told about them by another man...but by stepping out and observing the true sky which is the way astrology began.

Originally posted by LeoVirgo

Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

Hi Leo/Virgo,

I realize "Walter Berg" has written at least one book on the 13 signs zodiac, is there software that supports the 13 signs? Or do you have to do the calculations manually? Do they issue an IAU emphemeris? Is there a website devoted to "Bergian" Astrology?

Ophiuchus as the 13th sign has been around for decades. Ophiuchus as a part of the sign of Scorpio has been around for AGES.

Apparently, you're completely sold on the superiority of using the IAU Zodiac.

ALL types of Astrology use REAL astronomical data in their charts (even Tropical), but the positions are seen thru the framework of twelve 30 degree signs. The signs are symbolic and have MEANING accrued thru observation over a long period of time. The problem with Tropical is that it ignores Precession.

The Tropical Zodiac is aligned with the Vernal Equinox (which determines the Seasons) and is NOT completely worthless, especially for work that depends on the seasonal tides. However, (since I'm a Siderealist) I do NOT consider the Tropical useful for Natal readings.

(I'm posting this on my thread as well.)

SeaWind

I use astronomy programs to look at the degrees of each constellation as well as the exact position of the spheres in them.

I dont know of Walter Berg. Never heard of Bergian Astrology.

What I use, I have found on my own. Not only the information....but through experience as well.

Im going to leave you to your thread...and appreciate your thoughts you have shared. Im sorry you dont like the idea that someone is walking a path without following what another man has created for them. Even though I kindly, dont agree with giving readings.

We learn through experiences and observation....and that is what I am going by with what I offer to others. I encourage them to also look at experiences and observe the energy of the spheres...not by being told about them by another man...but by stepping out and observing the true sky which is the way astrology began.

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Leo/Virgo, I asked those questions about Walter Berg before looking at your "cosmic energies" thread and realizing that you are not an astrologer.

I have nothing against experimenting with different techniques in astrology. Generally speaking, most people would recommend learning established astrology before re-inventing the craft.

About 30 years ago, Walter Berg wrote a book on a 13 sign astrology using the International Astronomical Union (IAU) zodiac. I have NOT read this book, but I'm wondering how useful it would be to do so. I wonder if it isn't just a regurgitation of the 12 Sun Signs plus a blurb on Ophiuchus. I don't know how one would be able to use the established ASPECTS in such an IRREGULAR zodiac. The established aspects require a symmetrical 360 degree divided into 12 EVEN signs of 30 degrees each. Would you use a symmetrical overlay to be able to calculate the aspects? You would have to convert all positions to absolute longitude to be able to calculate aspects.

I do not know of any software that supports the IAU zodiac for astrological purposes. Stellarium does not -- that's just a sky chart. But that is as expected since the IAU would have NO INTEREST in Astrological purposes.

One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING. In other words, the demarcations used are ARBITRARY. In 1930, the IAU made the decision to align the IAU zodiac with the 1875 northern Vernal Equinox which took place on 21 March 1875 at 00:35 hrs when the Sun was at seven (7) degrees Pisces on the Fagan Sidereal Zodiac.

Contrast this with the Hindu Sidereal Zodiac which is aligned with the star Spica and has ALWAYS been adjusted for Precession -- and, most importantly, has MILLENNIA of OBSERVATION to support its MEANING. Hindu Astrology has a PRACTICAL purpose: it's used to find compatible marriage partners and to time important events, etc.

I hope someone out there is able to grasp this.

SeaWind

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The way astrology began was through looking at the sky and observing.

One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING

How do you figure? Where do you think the 'meanings' of the 'signs' began? It was not with equal amounts of space in the sky, it was not through having a 'imaginary wheel' that was not reflective to the real sky....it all began with true observation. They surely never ever looked at how Saturn would effect being in Libra...when they saw and observed it in Virgo.

It was much later man 'tied' the signs.

How then does it all work so well? Because there is a link of every sign to all of us. The 'signs' are a part of mankinds collective consciousness...its a part of the past of man. The signs are reflective for the 'path of life'. As I have said...we are of all the signs..but with the practice of reflecting life in the cosmos, we find a harmony between our cosmic prints and our life/purpose. Sometimes we need a little reminder of what we could face or work on, to better ourselves.

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by SeaWind[/

One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING

How do you figure? Where do you think the 'meanings' of the 'signs' began? It was not with equal amounts of space in the sky, it was not through having a 'imaginary wheel' that was not reflective to the real sky....it all began with true observation. They surely never ever looked at how Saturn would effect being in Libra...when they saw and observed it in Virgo.

It was much later man 'tied' the signs.

How then does it all work so well? Because there is a link of every sign to all of us. The 'signs' are a part of mankinds collective consciousness...its a part of the past of man. The signs are reflective for the 'path of life'. As I have said...we are of all the signs..but with the practice of reflecting life in the cosmos, we find a harmony between our cosmic prints and our life/purpose. Sometimes we need a little reminder of what we could face or work on, to better ourselves.

Leo/Virgo,

You don't seem to understand that the IAU is just as "imaginary" as the other zodiacs. With this difference: at least, the zodiacs used by Astrologers have MILLENNIA of OBSERVATION on its EFFECT on HUMAN LIFE. Man "tied" the sky to signs because those signs WORK to help them PREDICT human BEHAVIOR and OUTCOMES.

"The signs are reflective for the 'path of life'. As I have said...we are of all the signs..but with the practice of reflecting life in the cosmos, we find a harmony between our cosmic prints and our life/purpose."

There is NO argument on that. The "Sacred Art of Astrology" is the art of helping a person find WHICH signs have the MOST importance in his life, in this incarnation. It is to HELP FOCUS and to find MEANING.

You're telling someone to meditate on the stars. An Astrologer would HELP someone UNDERSTAND what was happening in the sky the MOMENT he was born, as seen FROM HIS BIRTH PLACE.

One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING. In other words, the demarcations used are ARBITRARY. In 1930, the IAU made the decision to align the IAU zodiac with the 1875 northern Vernal Equinox which took place on 21 March 1875 at 00:35 hrs when the Sun was at seven (7) degrees Pisces on the Fagan Sidereal Zodiac.

Contrast this with the Hindu Sidereal Zodiac which is aligned with the star Spica and has ALWAYS been adjusted for Precession -- and, most importantly, has MILLENNIA of OBSERVATION to support its MEANING. Hindu Astrology has a PRACTICAL purpose: it's used to find compatible marriage partners and to time important events, etc.

I hope someone out there is able to grasp this.

SeaWind

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