Alien Abduction/Visitation: Induction of Sleep Paralysis

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I love my sleep paralysis. I have it all the time. I have posted details before, ..... try having fun with it!

But I could see how someone ignorant of sleep paralysis could easy be convinced they were abducted by aleins, .....

I wish I could. Next time a 3ft diameter see-through ball with big teeth and a real bad attitude comes at me I'll crack a joke before smacking its astral ass back to wherever it comes from.

That's the thing that gets me about "sleep paralysis." I'm not paralysed and I'm not asleep. I'm just having a helluva fight with some MF animal trying to nuke my ass.

I had a sleep paralysis episode a few weeks ago which was along the lines of an abduction experience. In bed, I feel a "presence" in my room, but I wasn't aware that I was dreaming (normally I'm lucid to the fact that I'm in a sleep paralysis state). I couldn't see this "presence," as I was facing the wall, but the feeling I got from it was that I had a choice: whether to go or whether to stay. Normally something like this would freak me out, but for some reason I made up my mind that I wanted to go. It was a subconscious decision - no words were spoken and no other action indicated my decision.

At this point, I get the sensation of being gently lifted out of my bed. The sensation was very peaceful, as if the "presence" was trying its best to not startle me. It felt as if there were multiple "entities" lifting me out of the bed, and the distinction I got from them were "angels" rather than "extraterrestrials."

As I'm about 2 feet in the air, the sensation becomes unbearably realistic, and I notice that not only am I being lifted into the air, but I'm also being lifted towards the window. At this point, I panic and I wake up. It was very realistic, to say the least. If I had known nothing about sleep paralysis or lucid dreaming, I would've been convinced that an alien had just tried to abduct me.

With that said, just because I know that I was dreaming, doesn't mean that this was entirely all in my imagination. There could be something more to these type of experiences.

reply to post by The Shrike


So there's not enough evidence for you to make a conclusion as of today anyway. I do understand your hypothesis that it 'could be all in the mind' in the traditional sense.

I've had enough experiences to make me wonder if there is more to us than our mind allows. Certain circumstances allow a peek into other dimensions but are those dimensions being experienced really existing separately from ours or are they a product of our own mind? When we sleep, we are unconscious. But in sleep many strange things happen including lucid dreaming which allow us to awake somewhere while our body sleeps. Is that somewhere real or do we create the illusion of reality when we are not conscious in our physical reality?

Well stated. That was my best guess, too, until a couple of years ago and I'm still open to anything new in hard science, psychiatry, or the sociological fields that proves our subconscious alone could be responsible.

But so far those fields are either starting to support multi-dimensional thinking or fail to explain not only my experiences but the ever increasing weight of historical accounts.

The UFO issue is what finally provided me with a synthesis to form a conclusion. I could no longer accept the ETH as a probable explanation, but some variant of the Interdimensional Hypothesis does account for mankind's historical experience of dealings with this seemingly supernatural & conscious phenomena.

Thanks for the depth of your reply to my questions, your statement on hypnotism is well put and is a welcome addition to another subject I'm looking at.

And, with your closing sentence, it looks like you might not be that far off from the concept of what some term the astral after all. Peace.

The psychedelics I've enjoyed and the books written by Robert Monroe are what keep me wondering and Monroe's works are extremely convincing.

Originally posted by TheFlash
Also, hair does not contain DNA. If it did, then OJ Simpson might have been convicted by analyzing the hair found left by the perpetrator in the deaths of Nicole Brown and her lover. Hair is not made from cells so has no DNA containing neclei.

The DNA was extracted from the hair root, which contains DNA. Perhaps you should read the research first?

great read!

haven't posted here in ages, but I'd like to throw my personal 2 cents in here.

won't get into great detail of all that I've been through. yes, I unfortunately have had to witness the little bastards more then a few times. most all of my encounters were from a point blank wake state. that being said after years of going through this hell, you sorta develop a quick trigger in regards to waking up very quickly. and so the occasional sound of the fridge or a/c kicking on has triggered me into countless episodes of sleep paralysis. and also I know that it is something that happens naturally to lots of people from time to time.

however, the thing is I'm quite sure they are using a method to trigger this state in a person. but rest assured, sleep paralysis is not what they are shooting for. their "ideal" scenario is for you to STFU and go into deep sleep. they don't want you freaking and potentially waking others and they know being seen in a woken state bodes bad for both parties.

now I've fought off the sleep switch more then a few times, but they have other means. either they will abort in such situations or some kinda gravitational force is activated in which you can move a few feet and get a couple screams out but the overbearing hell of all the weight upon you drops you.

it's been awhile since I've had an encounter (thank god) but the last one is still very fresh.

fell asleep on couch one night awoke and sat up. as I glanced to the left there was this little creature bout a foot or so tall with red eyes. I rubbed my eyes and looked again he was still there. I FLIPPED!!! next to me was the coffee table and on it was a plastic coaster. I riffled it at it as hard as I could but missed. little bastard booked down the hall. As I attempted to get up I was sunk. moved maybe 3 feet till I collapsed under tremendous pressure. I managed to throw the candy dish on the table as well as flip the table its self. Next thing I know its morning and I'm sitting up with my face in my hands. I sighed relief and chalked it up to a horrible dream.

after I went and made coffee, I came back to the couch and set my cup in the plastic coaster. I lit a smoke a looked at it. something wasn't right. see, that particular coaster was all craked and chipped on the outer rim, don't know why I never tossed it. but as I sat there looking at it, it was like brand new, not a scratch. now assuming what I saw was real, then it should of been even more damaged after I throw it at the damn thing.

point is, they go through ALOT of trouble to clean the scene and keep things on the down low. so getting physical evidence is nearly immpossible. I'll bet they NEVER would of expected this guy to comb through his junk and find an obsure hair there.

sorry for the winded rant guys..

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I love my sleep paralysis. I have it all the time. I have posted details before, so I wont go into boring background, but long story short I now look forward to sleep paralysis episodes, lol. The reason they no longer scare me, is I consciously and immediately understand during the beginning part of the episode what is going on. And once I'm aware of it, it's like I get to consciously semi-control both dream and reality all in one really messed up scenario. Really cool stuff. If you suffer from it on a regular basis as I do, try having fun with it!

But I could see how someone ignorant of sleep paralysis could easy be convinced they were abducted by aleins, either because they put the idea together, or some outside person suggested the idea to them and then they atart heading down the road to absurd and implausible land.

I admire that you sort-of trigger sleep paralysis episodes. After my first episode, I never slept on my belly again. What scared the s__t out of me was not that I couldn't call out to my nephew in another room through open doors, it was the unbearable sound of a million screeching "banshees"! I felt the "weight" on my back, I couldn't move any part of my body and my awake consciousness was trapped. When you see footage of earthquake victims trapped without being able to move yet are awake, that's sleep paralysis. I love lucid dreams and look forward to them so that I can fly, but I need "physical" freedom to handle the dream.

How about the next time you experience sleep paralysis you think of The Shrike and shoot on over here and let's go trippin'!

Originally posted by TheFlash
How does this explain the cases where abductees were NOT sleeping at the time of their abduction? What about the cases of Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton and the 1976 Allagash Waterway Abduction? These were cases where multiple people experienced the same things and did in fact witness events described by others.

Also, hair does not contain DNA. If it did, then OJ Simpson might have been convicted by analyzing the hair found left by the perpetrator in the deaths of Nicole Brown and her lover. Hair is not made from cells so has no DNA containing neclei.

You are expressing yourself as a typical believer that just accepts whatever you read or hear without requiring evidence. So it can be extrapolated that you are not a critical thinker (•Critical thinking involves determining the meaning and significance of what is observed or expressed, or, concerning a given inference or argument, determining whether there is adequate justification to accept the conclusion as true. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

•The application of logical principles, rigorous standards of evidence, and careful reasoning to the analysis and discussion of claims, beliefs, and issues
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/critical_thinking)

Betty and Barney Hill claimed they were abducted but when you do in-depth research you should come to the same conclusion as Dr Benjamin Simon, their psychiatrist. You'll also find that being mixed-race couple in New Hampshire brought with it paranoia if the principal was sensitive to racism. Additionally, Betty was deeply involved in UFOlogy before her claim.

Travis Walton and cohorts, pure hoaxism.

The Allagash Four - there were no outside, independent witnesses.

And the reason why people agree on certain subjects is because of the way such information is propagated.

Originally posted by xiphias
I had a sleep paralysis episode a few weeks ago which was along the lines of an abduction experience. In bed, I feel a "presence" in my room, but I wasn't aware that I was dreaming (normally I'm lucid to the fact that I'm in a sleep paralysis state). I couldn't see this "presence," as I was facing the wall, but the feeling I got from it was that I had a choice: whether to go or whether to stay. Normally something like this would freak me out, but for some reason I made up my mind that I wanted to go. It was a subconscious decision - no words were spoken and no other action indicated my decision.

At this point, I get the sensation of being gently lifted out of my bed. The sensation was very peaceful, as if the "presence" was trying its best to not startle me. It felt as if there were multiple "entities" lifting me out of the bed, and the distinction I got from them were "angels" rather than "extraterrestrials."

As I'm about 2 feet in the air, the sensation becomes unbearably realistic, and I notice that not only am I being lifted into the air, but I'm also being lifted towards the window. At this point, I panic and I wake up. It was very realistic, to say the least. If I had known nothing about sleep paralysis or lucid dreaming, I would've been convinced that an alien had just tried to abduct me.

With that said, just because I know that I was dreaming, doesn't mean that this was entirely all in my imagination. There could be something more to these type of experiences.

edit on 16-1-2011 by xiphias because: (no reason given)

You are an active member of this forum so you are knowledgeable about the subject. You have sleep paralysis. Ergo, a partial dream situation that you contribute consciously to. Have a nice trip!

reply to post by The Shrike


I realize that, but just because we are aware of a logical explanation doesn't mean that it's always the entire explanation. I've had these sleep paralysis experiences all my life, so there's a big skeptic here. But certain events have me wondering what's really going on.

Originally posted by xiphias
reply to post by The Shrike

 

I realize that, but just because we are aware of a logical explanation doesn't mean that it's always the entire explanation. I've had these sleep paralysis experiences all my life, so there's a big skeptic here. But certain events have me wondering what's really going on.

edit on 17-1-2011 by xiphias because: (no reason given)

edit on 17-1-2011 by xiphias because: (no reason given)

I can appreciate and identify with what you said about certain events keeping you wondering. I'm just not the type of person that would accept a non-prosaic reason for those certain events especially associated with alien abductions. I've been in this "game" too long to jump on the bandwagon. I'd rather walk!

Originally posted by The Shrike
Aliens have never abducted skeptics, only believers. How do "they" know who is a skeptic and who is a believer and why do they choose believers?

This is simply not true. It is purely that sceptics will try to explain the experience in a different way to 'believers'

Originally posted by The Shrike
•An allegation (also called adduction) is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allege

Where's the proof? All you can supply is hearsay.

edit on 15-1-2011 by The Shrike because: (no reason given)

And you have proven nothing. Therefore I can only conclude that your claim that that abductions are ALL a mental construction is nothing but an assertion and hearsay. Why don't you gather some evidence, as I have, then come back with your proof?

For a start if a state similar to sleep paralysis or hypnagogia has been utilised by the perpetrators of MILABS, extradimensional/spiritual or E.T.'s then there will be a fantastical element to how the experience is felt. That does not mean it has no basis in reality.

Some of the evidence that you have chosen to ignore is very real and physical. You also seem to be under the impression that there have been no wakeful versions of the experience and no witnesses - which is also a fallacy.

reply to post by getreadyalready


My never knew when it was happening and could wake me up also. I try to move and scream as hard as i can and I can't do it. I have to ride it out never time. How do you get out of it?

reply to post by devildogUSMC


start with frantic movement of finger tips, then wrist, then arms, etc... eventually try to work up enough movement to fall out of your bed if posible. it's hard to do and really exhausting for some reason. afterward you'll be ready to go right back to sleep. also be prepared to be observed as having a spaz attack if anyone is near you while this happens.

Originally posted by devildogUSMC
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

My never knew when it was happening and could wake me up also. I try to move and scream as hard as i can and I can't do it. I have to ride it out never time. How do you get out of it?

Hi Devildog,

I have to first relax a little bit and stop fighting it. It takes 100% of my concentration on one movement, if I am tense or resistant then I don't have enough focus to bring myself out of it, so first, I try to stop resisting and relax and evaluate which part of my body will be easiest to move. Sometimes it is tossing an arm, sometimes it is rolling my body one direction or the other, and sometimes I am tangled in covers and I don't think I will be able to move, so I choose to try and speak or holler instead. Once I have my plan, I take a few seconds to slow my breathing, focus on my next movement and then count down, 3..2...1 and then give it all I have! If I am the least bit distracted it won't work.

I don't know how to describe the whole experience, it is surreal. Sometimes I think I am awake, and I am aware of everything, but it is really a dream. I will see my wife coming and going from the room and I will hear things outside and I won't understand why I can't move or wake up, then once I bring myself out of it, I will see my wife asleep next to me and it takes a few moments to make any sense. A lot of times it is very vivid and scary, but usually it is just annoying.

Originally posted by Pimander

Originally posted by TheFlash
Also, hair does not contain DNA. If it did, then OJ Simpson might have been convicted by analyzing the hair found left by the perpetrator in the deaths of Nicole Brown and her lover. Hair is not made from cells so has no DNA containing neclei.

The DNA was extracted from the hair root, which contains DNA. Perhaps you should read the research first?

Or perhaps you should represent it accurately when describing it.

Also, it seems very unlikely to me that hair follicles would be torn out during sexual intercourse. The only time I have seen follicles with hairs was when hairs were intentionally and rather painfully torn out by hand or some other instrument.

I've had an experience like what you call "Sleep Paralysis" where i did see shadows holding me. if this has ever happened to any of you don't watch this video (about 1:33 in) There are others www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Pimander
And you have proven nothing. Therefore I can only conclude that your claim that that abductions are ALL a mental construction is nothing but an assertion and hearsay. Why don't you gather some evidence, as I have, then come back with your proof?
(snip)

You haven't really gathered any evidence, what you have gathered are reports which is another word for hearsay. Besides, I'm not making claims that I have to support. I'm questioning such claims therefore the onus is on the claimant to support such claims with real evidence. And enough scholars have reported that like it was said in "YELLOW SUBMARINE", "It's all in the mind".

Originally posted by devildogUSMC
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

My never knew when it was happening and could wake me up also. I try to move and scream as hard as i can and I can't do it. I have to ride it out never time. How do you get out of it?

It's a natural process that if alone works itself out. You're not in control, your mind/brain are. The harder you try to control this natural process the harder it fights back because your brain/mind senses that you are obviously not ready because you are creating the physical sensations that it's programmed to control. Do as another member said and try to turn what you may consider a negative situation into a positive one by turning it into a fun situation by seeing how much you can use the mental part to create enjoyable adventures, now that you know that you are having a sleep-paralysis episode.

By gaining control, future episodes may turn out to be easier to control to your advantage. Don't fight it, swim with it!

reply to post by getreadyalready


My experiences are very simmilar to yours. I never get out of them quickly though. I used to think it was a recurring nightmare and that was bad enough. When I first realized something was actually phisically taking place, I was so scared I never wanted to go to sleep again. It happens without fail every single time I have ever forgotton to take my medication (cymbalta). It is an SSRI/SNRI used to treat PTSD and depression.