What do we do if another erad3 starts up?

With all the issues surrounding the killer (alledged) in AZ, and his involvement on ATS, what do we do, what should we do, if we see it again?

This may be a sensitive subject but what if we find another person acting erratically here? And who would define it? Heck, sometimes I ramble. Are the cops going to kick down my door next because I vented here?

This also speaks to the larger question, what is our role in society when we notice someone like that? I'd hate the idea of a police state and people turning in neighbors just because they may be weird. Heck, I'm weird.

What should we do?

Attn: mods, if this is in the wrong forum, please accept my apologies and move.

They get banned and possibly reported to authorities, end of story?

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Exactly what we do with all of the other posters who seem to display signs of schizophrenic thought. We joke, we make overtures towards suggesting they seek help, and we avoid rewarding their psychotic ramblings with stars and flags.

We try not to reinforce their delusions.

If we see blatant threats or violent statements, we use the alert function and let the mods, supermods, admins, and amigos figure it out.

Other than that... Well there's nothing we can do. From a variety of perspectives, most all of us seem crazy to others here. We all have a couple of out there ideas. If ATS were to start reporting "crazy" thoughts... well, we'd all be doing the thorazine shuffle.

~Heff

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
They get banned and possibly reported to authorities, end of story?

Okay. Thanks. Mods close the thread.

No, really. What litmus test would you use in a conspiracy site to determine if someone was outside the norm? I mean, doesn't that describe most, if not all of us?

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I was thinking the same thing whilst reading a post not 20 minutes ago..somebody posted a thread about clones and the end of the world already having happened..was the first thing I thought of was this arizona ordeal.

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His involvement was so little, and such a bit of time ago... can't really draw any direct connections from ATS to the incident.
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Honestly we're going to have to wait for the trial... I'm leaning towards totally pre-meditated. His postings/videos online might of just been for his "operation" and possible insanity plea.
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I think there is a generally fallible in thinking there is anything you can do to detect a potential "off-tilt" personality. There are plenty of people on this forum that streak past that "off-tilt" goal-line and have a 10 minute tea party int he end-zone.

Freedom of speech (including Internet communications) are a protected right, and if you allow yourself to be absorbed by fear of another incident, you open yourself up to having your RIGHTS and Independence stripped away from you!

Let's not do anything! It is not our job to do anything, we are not medical professionals.

Or we could start a witch hunt...

Originally posted by Hefficide
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Exactly what we do with all of the other posters who seem to display signs of schizophrenic thought. We joke, we make overtures towards suggesting they seek help, and we avoid rewarding their psychotic ramblings with stars and flags.

We try not to reinforce their delusions.

If we see blatant threats or violent statements, we use the alert function and let the mods, supermods, admins, and amigos figure it out.

Other than that... Well there's nothing we can do. From a variety of perspectives, most all of us seem crazy to others here. We all have a couple of out there ideas. If ATS were to start reporting "crazy" thoughts... well, we'd all be doing the thorazine shuffle.

~Heff

I'm no shrink, maybe others here can differentiate between truely sick behaviour and just being weird. I sure as heck can't.

well ,unless they say they are going to do somthing ,i would not worrry about it , their was nothing in the behavior or Mr,erad3 to even suggest he was going to do anything , so to be honest if someone is going to do it they are going to do it regardless, use common sens man thats all ...i am just saying

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Personally, I don't think it's possible for a diagnosis to be made by armchair forum-goers of whether someone's strange vs. murderous. Looking over Jared's posts here, nothing he wrote suggests to me that he was homicidal or planning anything like what happened. There's really a fine-line between delving into the philosophical and slipping into lunacy and in my opinion, family/friends are the ones who need to keep a look out, not an internet community (unless it was blatantly obvious via a post that someone was about to go on a rampage, that is).

Originally posted by adigregorio
Let's not do anything! It is not our job to do anything, we are not medical professionals.

Or we could start a witch hunt...

*DING*
You win.
Won't this issue start another witch hunt?
I mean, the knee-jerk reaction may be to isolate and follow "any" person who is goofy.

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It is nothing you need worry about, if you see a post or thread that you think has breached the TOS, just alert the the thread or post. Don't reply to it, or quote it in a reply. That will lead to your post being removed as off topic or edited..

Bottom line just use the alert tab and let the staff deal with it.

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I don't know about this "issue" starting one.

This thread sure looks like it wants to though...just my opinion.

Originally posted by Boreas
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Personally, I don't think it's possible for a diagnosis to be made by armchair forum-goers of whether someone's strange vs. murderous. Looking over Jared's posts here, nothing he wrote suggests to me that he was homicidal or planning anything like what happened. There's really a fine-line between delving into the philosophical and slipping into lunacy and in my opinion, family/friends are the ones who need to keep a look out, not an internet community (unless it was blatantly obvious via a post that someone was about to go on a rampage, that is).

I agree. But our society is certainly a "shut the barn door after the horses are out". We shouldn't have the responsibility to do that. No one should. But will blame be misplaced here?

OMG STFU!!!

Who cares... society could use a little spicing up.

There are more important topics to discuss.

I have thought the same thing OP. I suppose we could do nothing or we could report suspicious behavior. I know the mods censor threatening posts; however, I do not know what they do in regards to reporting them. So I have pondered taking screenshots before the post it censored, so I could forward it to the proper authorities. However, that seems like a job for the site owners to do. Insofar as "loony" posts go, I suppose we could report those too; however, who determines loony? All in all, it's a tough call and I will likely ignore any posts that may be deemed suspicious.

My 2-cents

I agree, it's best to just alert the mods.
If they get enough interest I'm sure the'll look into the matter and take appropriate action.

It's called life somethings are out of our control, once people learn to accept that fact the world will be much better off. No offence op but this is really a silly question to be asking, it's great you worry about the welfare of others but somethings are just out of peoples control. Unless like others have posted and you want a witch hunt scenario?

I would have to agree with heff
other than what he stated there's
lil we can do.

I guess erad3 set a precedent here.
It made it to the MSM that erad3
got responded to here with the comment
that he needed to seek professional help.
And now I foresee it becoming SOP that
anybody posting and they get a comment
like "you need to seek help" it's gonna bring
out the wrath of DHS.

I have already been a target already. I posted
my thoughts on a thread this past week. Next
thing I know, a poster I don't know posted a response
that I needed to seek counseling.

WTF ????

Just because I don't agree with your argument
doesn't give you the right to claim I am mentally unstable.
That is an unfair bias based on somebody this poster
never even met.

While I agree we need to keep an eye out for folks
that could be considered dangerous to himself
or others, but I do have to draw the line with
posters insinuating this based purely on a bias.

Originally posted by Sauron
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It is nothing you need worry about, if you see a post or thread that you think has breached the TOS, just alert the the thread or post. Don't reply to it, or quote it in a reply. That will lead to your post being removed as off topic or edited..

Bottom line just use the alert tab and let the staff deal with it.

But my main point is what some may consider, "meh" others may consider outside the norm for here. It's all about interpretation.

I'd just hate to see a witch-hunt.