The Real Conspiracies of the World and how YOU are Ignoring Them!!

The world today is full of hurt and suffering, its full of greed and corruption, people no longer care for their fellow man only for the man keeping a watchful eye on their wallet. We have lost our values with increasing secularisation and our materialistic motivations. ATS is no different.

On ATS people are obsessed with UFO’s, 9/11 and the NWO. These are perceived as being mans greatest threat even though it is fair to say that collectively none of us have a clue if there is any real conspiracy to be found in any of the forums. The passion which these subjects are discussed is indeed admirable and for the most part well meant however it is misplaced. None of you actually care enough about the NWO to stop using the banks, just like none of you care about 9/11 enough to seek any real revenge, just like many of you probably still watch the news, read the news papers despite logging onto ATS and telling us about how bad the MSN really is. It’s all talk, there are no actions behind the worlds and what’s worse is that you all only seem to care for those conspiracies that affect you, which are for the most part fallacies.

The real conspiracies of today in the world are found in the killing and suffering going that none of you could possibly imagine, there are people in the 3rd world whose greatest luxury is a loaf of stale bread. In Haiti, there is a massive cholera outbreak , Sudan is a mess as is the Ivory Coast and in DPRK people are dying of starvation. Yet ATS is full of people worrying about an elusive group of corrupt bankers that probably don’t exist trying to “control” them. It’s selfish,does nobody care enough to bother starting a thread about them or the civil war in Chad?. The greed filled culture that we have created is killing people all over the world; our oil driven economies have led to the deaths of thousands in Nigeria, just so that we can get our cars out of our driveways in the morning. In Indonesia since 1969 almost 100,000 people have died as the result of an ongoing conflict, yet we have never had a thread about that. We have an entire forum dedicated to people’s dreams but I don’t think in my time on ATS I have ever seen a single on the Papua Conflict .

Did you know that every day in the world 25,000 people die of hunger, yet there is more than enough food for everyone it’s just that we like to take entire food crops to grow bio fuels and the capitalist system has led to an unbalance of food supplies throughout the world? There is such a demand for our western coffee, farmers would rather grow the cash crops and sell them to the capitalist west than grow wheat to sell to the starving locals. In any case even if they did the capitalist system would only out price them, put the local farmers out of business then take advantage of their monopoly by putting up prices and before you know it every one is starving. Even in the west when there is a food surplus, it’s not economically viable for the big businesses to export it to the poor, for free.

Heath care is another one; something like 1.2 million will die this year from diarrhoea, probably more with the out brake of cholera in Haiti. The solution to this is so simple, it’s called Oral Rehydration Therapy and it costs about 10 cents for about 1 litter of the solution. Yet every day thousands of mothers and fathers have to watch as their children die of diarrhoea or hunger. Then we have TB, Malaria, Measles and other such illnesses that in the western world either just don’t exist or the treatments is as essay as accusable as tap water. Speaking of water, 1.1 billion people don’t have access to clean water and 2.6 billion don’t have adequate sanitation. When one takes this all into account, then is it not truly shameful that ATS is full of conspiracies about how the pharmaceutical companies are out to make us infertile and how the NWO or is poisoning us all with fluoride in the water, just think yourself lucky you have water and medicines. The real pharmaceutical conspiracies are found in the places in the world where they let their fellow man suffer painful deaths when they have the ability to help and put a end to their suffering. Not that they are trying to control your mind or lying to you about the existence of Schizophrenia.

People on ATS go on about 9/11 as if it were the greatest tragedy to ever be bestowed upon mankind and that it must have be a false flag as part of the NWO’s grand plan. Yet in the grand scale of things it wasn’t really that big of a tragedy when one considers that in the 1994 genocide of Rwanda, 850,000- 1 million people were slaughtered. Yet no threads are on ATS about any conspiracy or even the evident corruption and evil of the disgusting chapter in recent human history. Even when compared to the Srebrenica massacre that some 8000 people were killed and 30,000 displaced 9/11 starts to look like just another act of evil. 9/11 happened, there is no massive conspiracy, the real conspiracy is that during the Srebrenica massacre and the Rwanda genocide, the UN and America watched, indeed the Srebrenica massacre took place in a UN safe zone. Why is everyone on ATS spent 9 years looking at 9/11 yet have never thought to look at what else is going on to find some “real conspiracies” about how the global community will not intervene when humanity shows it ugly side because it is not beneficial to the capitalist oil driven system.

On ATS we have became obsessed with the spectacular conspiracies theories that only affect us in the western world, we have neglected to recognise that the real conspiracies are found elsewhere in the world. The real conspiracies are not going to be found on these forums unless you all start the look for them. 9/11, the NWO, UFO’s, fluoride in your water, reptilians and all of your delusional predictions are just distracting you all from what is really going on in the world and thus distracting you from the real conspiracies.

So you start a thread bitchin about people not starting threads on these subjects, instead of starting a thread on these subjects? Yea, that makes a lot of sense....

reply to post by kennylee


It’s not bitching, all I am saying is that there is so much more going on in the world that ATS seems to be ignoring rather focusing on spectacular conspiracies that at the end of the day never really amount to much. Just because I haven’t started a thread on these particular subjects, does not mean I won’t. Also if you look at my thread history I have wrote about quite a few topics other users have neglected. And by starting this thread, I am still writing about them and brining these issues to people’s attention so I think that comment is unfair. I mean you have been here for months and almost all your threads are about America.

This is a fair and true observation.

reply to post by kevinunknown


I didn't read your entire opening post.BUSTED!
You are right,we have our priorities mixed up.
The suffering of our fellow humans should be
addressed more.
Thank-you for reminding me of that.

Be the change you wish to see.



Peace

I completely agree with you about the plight of others being the number one priority. We need to work to stop starvation and the wars, and homelessness/despair in our own nations as well. Street children in Indonesia/Phillipines/South America rounded up and shot at night by the mafia crime lords running the shows, and you must realize they're US/UK endorsed, its all endorsed by various crime lords and bankers throughout the first nations.

What is really important is DISCLOSURE and that tech released. We need to get people, children/teenagers and retirded tradesmen together for workshops all the time (you know it takes a VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD), and build generators, seed kits. HIALIENS has some wonderful threads on his pdf. He's turning it into a video, but needs some advice/feedback right now. I'll find the link in a minute. But the geomagnetic devices that can run homes, cities, cars, and free everyone and year round food production are based off of earth's rotation and free energy wtih its magnetism. It should be basic science!!!!!

Don't try and separate this stuff. The conspiracies are ALL RELATED TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS WORLD AND THE BILLIIONS STARVING.

For example, as yourself, in any given year, how much aid (I don't mean government) has citizens given to the poor nations and families from around the world?

With the enormous amount of aid people have given, everyone I know above the poverty line, supports a child overseas, and many give more.

Why Why Why is it getting worse then?

Is the money GETTING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE? Or is it supporting Corruption instead.

Oh someone gave me a link that even Church coffers support gurerrilas and mercenaries and suppression of freedoms and murder throughout the world nevermind the amount of land purchased and owned by the Churches.

There are many ways people give and so far, since so little is being used to REDISTRIBUTE AND EQUALIZE, its EXTORTION!

Who doesnt want the aid to get through to the people? I assure you, there is a small very powerful that doesnt want that! And thats the reason all this money has not accomplished what it should have done already!

The conspiracies are For Awareness So People Can Tackle the Real Corruption Running This World.

Because we definitely need to stop this injustice, I agree.

reply to post by kevinunknown


this is coming from the man who doesnt even believe in 9/11, nwo, or anything else...
and all those things you say we should be interested in more, they arent conspiracies, the factual tragedies.
and i agree that people should care more about that stuff, but this is a conspiracy forum.
are you gonna go to the basketball forum and say, "UHH YOU CARE TO MUCH ABOUT BASKETBALL, YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT THIS" ---no, your not
and go to the gun forum and say that or computers and science forums, no your not

and all those people dieing is sad, but i still sleep at night, but knowing my children (when/if) i have them are going to grow up in a One world government with chips in their bodies and not choose who they marry and what they do for work, that would keep me up at.


so tell me OH GREAT KEVIN... what are you doing about the issues you posted?

reply to post by kevinunknown


I may have completely missed the point here, but last time I checked, this was a CONSPIRACY website, yeah? So it would stand to reason that the vast majority of the content will be focused primarily upon CONSPIRACY THEORIES, would it not?

Seems like you are in the wrong place Kevin.

I have to respectfully disaagree.....
The whole thing revolves around the same pile of crap.
If we cannot get our own goverments by the horns and bulldog them into tending to our own country instead of trying to influence the world through every available means....If we cannot force the corporate hedgemony into once again serving the demands of the market, instead of creating countless additional ones.
If there persists in society to be an elite echelon whos vast wealth and powers are unknown, and shielded from scrutiny,....There will never be an end to this insane and fruitless murder.
Until all men and women everywhere, are guaranteed basic sustenance, and the freedom to express and create that which harms, nor impinges on others freedoms,Until the system denies the rights of corporations to exist indefinately, in ever growing size and reach,and restores ownership of the worlds resources to the peoples of the whole world, Evil and greedy men, the depraved and sociopathic, will continue to influence society far beyond their numbers,coruption will abound,and the poor ,the meek, the disenfranchised will suffer the depradations and tortures,starvation and disease.
The power of money is the root of the whole thing.
Lust for power and greed for wealth and the power that brings...ultimate wealth brings nearly unlimited power.
Thus the elite live their immoral existance with impugnity.
Those who can or will share any information in any subject that they think or know would be of interest or concern to free thinking people everywhere,have a moral duty to make the attempt.
You say primary focus of discussion is not to your specifications,yet much of the shared information here leads away from such uglinesses as above, and is directed towards countering these very ills.
Jesus put it thusly,
`The poor you will always have with you``(theres more but let that suffice)
We need a lever to move the world, or dont you understand that much of the discussion is bent in that direction.
What ats members do offline, may astound and humble you,What they would could or do do about the things you mention have a direct bearing on the very subjects which you seem to think unimportant.
Having witnessed and knowing that UFOs exist, and in some cases present strong evidence of being extra terrestrial. My interest and pursuit of any and all pertinent information about the subject,is directed to the obvious immediate benefits such alien technologies and philosophies.And obtaining this information for mankind.....
If you are suggesting that our society as a whole shows a certain callousness to the plights of so many unfortunates,i find myself agreeing whole heartedly with you,
However, i think most of us here are well aware of these and many other dire calamities world wide,and have and innate sense of outrage and grief for those who suffer.
Much of this is discussed, probably more than what is gleaned from the average newscast or newspaper.
If you are looking for donations, volunteers or other assistance, organise something and see if you get any takers....that may surprise you too.
I am a retired but able ex contractor of varied and useful experience.
pay my fare and feed me, ill be happy to go most anywhere.
And so would a lot of people in my position as well as younger ones too.
It is the choice of the elite ruling financial,corporate,goverment,military
power structure which has been autonomous since hmmmmmm well, at least, 9-11 but probably since WW2.
Out of this discussion forum,come better educated minds, whose ability to see is hieghtened to whatever degree....We ourselves, as a free people, are faced with the task of survival.......surely you see that.......
The situations (and countless more attrocities) are the background to this discussion and never far from anybodys thoughts i am sure....
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How To Change The World

my thread that didn't get anywhere.


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Change The World You Say? Are You Ready for Change? The World Has Done It's JOB

A friends great thread, but the real goal should be to get people motivated in their own communities to do things, nudge others.

Got any ideas? And NO ITS NOT THE UFOLOGISTS FAULT THE PUBLIC HASNT WOKE UP. AND I'M AN EXPERIENCER, SO ARE THE OTHER TWO POSTERS I'VE LINKED!

Originally posted by kevinunknown
It’s not bitching, all I am saying is that there is so much more going on in the world that ATS seems to be ignoring rather focusing on spectacular conspiracies that at the end of the day never really amount to much.

Time will tell on that, you can't judge people for researching them at this stage.

In fact I think its worthy of a thread of its own, how the aid money is being frauded from people and not getting to the right people, and how we need to wake up to this and start to demand that the moneys help and reach and deal with this problem, enmasse.

It will take replacing our governments though I don't think the corporate bankers and controllers they represent are going to walk away.

But it needs to be done ASAP.

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Activism in the Philippines is a dangerous vocation these days. Activists, while defending the rights of victims, particularly the poor and marginalized, are faced with one of two choices: To give up or be killed. And there are hundreds of violent deaths in recent times mostly daylight shootings of unarmed activists to prove the latter involuntary choice. Thus, those who speak out in defence of others have ended up becoming victims themselves.

But why do activists, who also have families and loved ones of their own, choose to continue such dangerous work? What motivates them despite the almost inevitable consequence of violence and death? It is the conviction of their beliefs and the want to change the unjust status quo that urge them to continue, and this is often incomprehensible to most people. That is why often they are ridiculed by their own friends and even rejected as suicidal fools.

In many countries being an activist is the most dangerous thing you can be.


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We are the sole creators of our life, we color it with our beliefs, attitude, choices, that is what we have being doing since the beginning of time.

Live your life fully, following your heart and enjoying it!

Originally posted by kevinunknown
The world today is full of hurt and suffering, its full of greed and corruption, people no longer care for their fellow man only for the man keeping a watchful eye on their wallet. We have lost our values with increasing secularisation(sic) and our materialistic motivations. ATS is no different.
The real conspiracies of today in the world are found in the killing and suffering going that none of you could possibly imagine, there are people in the 3rd world whose greatest luxury is a loaf of stale bread. In Haiti, there is a massive cholera outbreak , Sudan is a mess as is the Ivory Coast and in DPRK people are dying of starvation. Yet ATS is full of people worrying about an elusive group of corrupt bankers that probably don’t exist trying to “control” them.

When Bill Gates send over to Africa some of his table scraps to feed these starving people, these poor people have to agree on sterilization. No conspiracy there? When the states Dept sends over Biden and Clinton to promote "Democracy", these countries have to agree to sterilization. No conspiracy? When the Bankers object to a personal credit card law passed so that they can't jack up your rates, they begin to advertise a "business Card" or everyone, so they can jack up your rates. No conspiracy? Not OK.
Although I disagree, I did SnF for the effort and context, not the content.

reply to post by kevinunknown


keep charging ahead!!!

conspiracies that directly inflict harm are not fun i guess. much easier to focus on unchangeable (in the short term) conspiracies..many don't want to look in the mirror

alot of people are too busy policing others free speech.. cogs in a machine like every other---ooohh don't offend anybody, that might hurt someone's feelings--

oops I'm sorry... john wayne is dead, eastwood is too old.. now we have a country of metrosexual 17th place trophy winners. incapable of critical thinking involving tough language. oohhh "he said a bad word"

TRUTH HURTS--LETS SHOOT THE MESSENGER--IGNORANCE IS BLISS-- yadayada yadayada--

don't sweat it some of us are adult enough to get this.. remember that mobs use mob mentality and mob rule.

Capitalism is the problem,but so many ignorant fools have no idea that their jubilant consumerism feeds those who benefit from their consuming,and starves their next door neighbor.

I could go on,but I won't.

I've been over this many, many times in my mind, and for the life of me, what can we Do? If we really get organized, we'll be looking at Martial Law. How do we have a Revolution when they've got all the guns, tanks, grenades, and teargas? There will never be an Amendment that allows us to recall our "leadership". Look at what happened when term limits passed at the polls. Some Federal Judge came along and erased our judgement after the fact, saying it was unconstitutional. We have become impotent in our own system of laws. The barn door has been open way too long for us to do anything. The criminals are running the prison, so to speak.

Yes we should help the starving, but shouldn't charity start at home? We have the downtrodden and mentally ill living in our streets all over America. and it's very difficult for me to accept the idea that we should take care of everyone else first. I saw the thread with the timeline and pictures of how many nuclear bomb tests there's been since 1945, just over 2,000, and I wonder what the Hell all that cost. Not only are we nuking ourselves, but we're bankrupting ourselves. Because of all the testing in Nevada, I can't understand how the entire West Coast is livable. As I inferred above, the cow left the barn decades ago. We've been hoisted by our own Petard, don't you think?

reply to post by stirling


u say "I am a retired but able ex contractor of varied and useful experience.
pay my fare and feed me, ill be happy to go most anywhere. " & i must admit, it's like music 2 my ears... i too believe there is a great deal of human resources that stays, sadly, unexploited.
Instead "they" try to cheapen even more the working class wages... hell of a paradox.

Only problem is "paying the fare" & being fed in countries where ppl are already starving & where airplanes, roads are more or less like a game of russian roulette...
The third world is under embargo since long time, things go out, but few come in.
And same could b said for example about the rural or the "desindustrialized" areas of the most developped countries.

Also i must say i agree with the original poster, it's too often that people, instead of taking all this "conspiracy" stuff as a true quest for truth, consider it as a hobby to escape reality... from "just4fun" mythomaniacs to greed-motivated affabulators, from senile parrots to simple minded xenophobz, i saw a lot of scam & scum browsing "paranormal" forums, but it also was a great test for understanding humanity, & a wonderful learning experience on so many levels.

they say " there is those who talk, & those who act", but i believe that without the firsts, there wouldnt b the latters. It's easy 2 criticize, but what is the original poster suggesting ? not much sadly... i think that for every conflict roaming a place, the equivalent in pain & suffering is delivered somewhere else (& especially where it originated from)... there is something called absolute justice or whatever.

Thing is 2 understand the very primal cause of this violence. I did that. (believe me or not, it's *spoiler* ..eating the dead beast)
Second thing is to break the vicious circle, replace it by a virtous exponential 1. this has yet 2 b done.

reply to post by deadred
What can we do?.

We will be left with only one choice,the one that will get their attention.

There is a reason most of our military hardware is made in other countries,and a reason for the good pay provided to the defense industry.

Technology needs batteries and parts,it's all about logistics.

Just thought that I'd point this out. No malice towards you but if you're wanting to see this type of content on ATS, why aren't you leading the charge?

Some of your latest threads and no I didn't read all of them, but the titles seems to suggest that they aren't about what you're referring to.

The CIA (or NWO)don’t Run the Media!!!
ATS Prophets, Let’s Get Rid of Them all!!!
The Increment, MI6’s Secret Paramilitary Unit
Gordon Ramsay threatened at gunpoint during illegal fishing investigation
Iran Guards shoot down two 'Western spy' drones
Scotland the MAD!!!
We’ll Protect Your Rights, So Long As you’re NOT Muslim!!

Just sayin...

reply to post by kevinunknown


1. Please don't lump us all into the same boat. One that you are trying to claim you are not aboard. It's presumtious.

2. Please don't tell us what we can't imagine. You have no idea what goes on in our own minds.

Thankyou for your consideration.