"Vortex Based Mathematics by Marko Rodin"

Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Since the word "leak" or "leaking" doesn't appear anywhere in the document, the onus is on you to justify what you've said.

You're copping out. But that's okay. That's your prerogative.

The field not being contained in the torus itself has been referred to as "leaking" on pages 37 and 68 of this thread. It's a commonly used term. The onus is on you to pay attention, which you also failed to do after you didn't digest the meaning of the excerpt from Bearden.

And if you don't like the word, it can be replaced with something else. Like the field extends from the torus into space surrounding it.

So much for "discerning", Mary, when basic comprehension skills are not there.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I noticed you didn't answer the question about whether he's taken his house off the grid and powered it with this magnetic potential known as A. So again I ask you, has he?

I've never researched that.

How come? You professed many times to be utterly curious in find out about this "research". To ascertain the existence of an actual device would be a serious proof that the "research" is actually research, w/o the quotes.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
He seems content just selling DVDs

Of course he is! It's soo cool to be getting money for nothing. Here's one other source:

Swerdlow's Nonsense

...and check out the prices! There is some serious cash being harvested from vacuous minds.


EDIT TO ADD:
It gets better! Swerdlow is now peddling Caribbean cruises as the way to expand your mind! Just wow!

www.expansions.com...

They sail with Norwegian, which is not a shabby cruise line, by the way.

An Experiential Interdimensional Journey Guided by two of the world’s Most Experienced Interdimensional Metaphysical Teachers.
Join Janet & Stewart on another Inner Voyage of the Soul

11 Magical Days floating in the ship of your Oversoul.

Venturing within the Interdimensional Vortex of the Caribbean.

See Mary? You can get your own vortex! And they promise it will be Interdimensional!

reply to post by buddhasystem

Indeed that's a pretty hefty sum for some DVDs, they might be able to make a nice living at those prices.

At least Bedini and Steorn sell their "technology" in kits, though I never found any convincing claim by a kit buyer that it actually works. I ran across this Steorn kit and it's cheaper than the DVD set you referenced:

Steorn peddles Orbo development kit, snake oil optional

That 399 Euros is just for the kit, I didn't see the pricing for the snake oil option mentioned in the title.

Bedini's kit is several grand I think.

If Bearden took his house off the grid and powered it with his device, I'd have no problem helping him get the $10 million to start his factory, the biggest problem would be all the other people competing with me to also get in on it (provided of course he wasn't pulling a John Searl move and just illegally bypassed the electric meter). But since it seems that profit motivated capitalists like me aren't beating a path to his door since apparently all he's really got are DVDs and a model that looks good in a photo, but won't really power his house.

Bearden and Rodin seem to have dropped off the radar, so the man of the hour now is Andrea Rossi, but nobody seems to be able to verify his cold fusion claims either. I was kind of hoping I was wrong about Rossi, but so far I can't say it looks that way.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Blake is saying magnetic field is leaking, Bearden says it's still contained in the torus. That the coil can work as a speaker and spin magnets etc is evidence that the magnetic field is indeed leaking, as many people commented and as it should.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
The field not being contained in the torus itself has been referred to as "leaking" on pages 37 and 68 of this thread. It's a commonly used term. . . . you didn't digest the meaning of the excerpt from Bearden.

And if you don't like the word, it can be replaced with something else. Like the field extends from the torus into space surrounding it.

You stated that Blake and Bearden are contradicting each other: that Blake says the field is leaking but Bearden says it’s still contained in the torus.

Then you cite Bearden regarding leaking rather than Blake.

So again, you really haven’t pointed to Blake’s document regarding a magnetic field leaking.

How are they contradicting each other?

reply to post by Mary Rose


Mary, where did I mention Bearden saying that the field was leaking?

reply to post by buddhasystem


You didn't. You said Blake talked about leaking.

Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

You didn't. You said Blake talked about leaking.

How is one supposed then to read this post of yours:

Then you cite Bearden regarding leaking rather than Blake

I was pretty clear in what I said, sorry it didn't sink.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Again, how do Blake and Bearden contradict each other?

Re. page 37:

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Russ Blake, formerly a senior researcher for Microsoft who wrote an analysis of the Rodin Coil described it thus: “it is doughnut-shaped and three-dimensional, its form wound by wires in an exacting numerical pattern discovered by Rodin.”

Similarly coiled shapes are commonly used for inductors in electrical circuits, according to Blake; however he said the pattern dictated by Rodin is radically different.

The central figure formed by the wires in the doughnut hole is really a polygon of 24 sides for each completed wrap, Blake explained.

“Due to the central circle of wires, it naturally creates a greatly increased magnetic field in the center of the torus, compared to a conventional coil with the same amount of wire,” Blake said.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Mary, if you did read that thread carefully, you would have noticed that people already commented that Rodin's coil leaks magnetic field compared to a conventional toroidal coil, of which purpose is the opposite, i.e. to contain the magnetic field.

I interpret the outside text that I quoted as saying that conventional circuits and the Rodin coil both employ the doughnut shape for the same reason, but that Rodin’s coil has a radically increased magnetic field in the center of the torus, with the same amount of wire, because of Rodin’s 24 sided polygon formed by the wires for each wrap in the center of the doughnut hole.

How does your comment "of which purpose is the opposite" fit in to what I posted?

reply to post by Mary Rose


My comment was an attempt to explain the notion of "leaking field".
Oh well.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Wikipedia covers this magnetic potential in this article:

Electromagnetic four-potential

I've posted quite a bit about Bearden's research into Maxwell's original equations, and the significance of the changes that were made to them. So what stands out in my mind about the Wikipedia article is:

. . . to simplify Maxwell's equations . . .

reply to post by buddhasystem


I don't want to take this thread off-topic, but regarding Montauk Project survivor Stewart Swerdlow, his free daily comment on what's in the news (sometimes substituted with ads or something else such as recipes from his wife Janet) is valuable because he often offers insights that you might not get anywhere else. (Swerdlow was mentioned on this thread originally with this post.)

reply to post by Mary Rose


well that helps debunk it then - since one of the premise of the Montauk Experiment hoax is that it was carried out in the closed down Montauk Airforce Station in the 1950's.

Except of course the base wasn't closed until 1981.....

Oops.....

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by Mary Rose

 

well that helps debunk it then - since one of the premise of the Montauk Experiment hoax is that it was carried out in the closed down Montauk Airforce Station in the 1950's.

Except of course the base wasn't closed until 1981.....

Oops.....

Nothing is impossible for the self-proclaimed Most Experienced Interdimensional Metaphysical Teacher.

God is sounds just so stupid it's painful to write.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Nothing is impossible for the self-proclaimed Most Experienced Interdimensional Metaphysical Teacher.

God is sounds just so stupid it's painful to write.

Hey aren't ambassadors supposed to be treated with respect?

Swerdlow... was also once ambassador to the planet Umo
As a former ambassador, he probably still has connections there, and you don't want him saying bad things about you to the inhabitants of the planet Umo, do you?

(On the other hand, I have no idea where the planet Umo is, so maybe you shouldn't lose too much sleep over it).

But apparently the other Montauk boy, Cameron, was the chief psychic in the experiments:

It turned out that Cameron had been the chief psychic in the experiments. He was strapped in a device called the "Montauk Chair", psychotronically linked to a computer, and sexually stimulated. In this inflamed state, his telepathic powers reached stunning heights. "The energy from my erection," Cameron explains today, quite solemnly, "was used as horsepower for the Chair."

That's got to be the granddaddy of all free energy stories, one 14 year old boy generating more power from his erection than the combined capacities of every power generating station on Earth, as would be needed to bend space and time in such a fashion (according to Michio Kaku).

And Mary, I'm willing to suspend my skepticism about free energy researchers getting arrested in this case since the alleged experiment revolved around energy emanating from the erections of 14 year old boys...it frankly wouldn't surprise me if someone actually might get arrested for researching that, though I never heard of any arrests in the Montauk case, maybe because as ATG pointed out the facility wasn't even available at the time as claimed?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


The Montauk Project was below ground at the site and that's the only thing that's relevant.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Swerdlow... was also once ambassador to the planet Umo

You find this stealthskater.com to be a reliable source, do you?

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Swerdlow... was also once ambassador to the planet Umo

You find this stealthskater.com to be a reliable source, do you?

Yes I do.

Once again you have demonstrated an uncanny topsy-turvy ability to not question sources at all that are making totally ridiculous claims, but you still question sources that are making true claims.

If that source isn't good enough for you, shall I quote directly from page 137 of Swerdlow's book, Blue Blood, True Blood, Conflict and Creation (A Personal Story)?

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

An entity calling itself Tubor entered my body with such force that I shuddered hard and nearly fell to the floor. Claiming to be the Draco controller of a mission to prepare Earth for occupation, Tubors main concern was other alien and human influences on the population that might thwart their plans. These reptilian beings were extremely nasty and hostile toward anyone who questioned them. Tubor commented that it was disgusted with my body and detested the way a human felt. Humans were considered to be weak, fragile, and too prone to emotional reactions.

Insisting that I had a contract with them which permitted them to use my body before their official arrival, Tubor said that I was also destined to be a liaison during the invasion. Using a human in this way would allow both sides to understand the mind-set of the other. I had supposedly agreed to this because I was once the Sirian ambassador to their home world as well as to Arcturus and a planet called Umo.

So it seems like a reliable source to me, doesn't it seem reliable to you?

Once again, I beseech you. Please question sources. But do that for ALL of them.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Arb, please don't do that again. I laughed so hard I almost passed out. I mean, somebody actually wrote this...

Mary, you really find that Cameron story trustworthy?

Never mind.