Oneness. All is one.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

I know that we are all connected to each other and the universe in a physical sense seeing as we are made of the same materials as stars. Don't get me wrong on that.

So you understand that everything is physically One, and we are all connected by multiple forces and systems?

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
My problem lies in the part about being connected through our consciousness.

Who are you to claim our consciousnesses are not connected in some form?

The Universe is one object with multiple consciousnesses. Your consciousness and my consciousness are just 2 of the many consciousnesses that exist within the One. All of our consciousness are connected to the One, and exist within the One, and are a part of the One. So in a manner of speaking, the Universe knows everything I know, knows everything you know, knows everything everyone knows, because it is everyone, it is all consciousness combined... omniscient.

The Universe is like a person with multiple personalities. Each one of those personalities may be different and somewhat unique and have different perspectives, but the reality is, they are all connected and a part of the same being. Who is to say that one personality (consciousness) can't understand another consciousness or communicate with another? This possibility could make possible certain things like telekinesis.

What is consciousness anyway? To you it's probably a bunch of chemical reactions which create electric charges which allow your senses to control your mind and cause your mind to form thoughts, ideas, and your over all personality, and allows you to experience the Universe.... It all comes down to electricity. Without electricity you would not have chemical reactions, you would not have senses, and you would not have any thoughts, and wouldn't experience what you call consciousness. Electricity is the flow of electrons.... Science doesn't even know exactly what electrons are, or what they are capable of. Electrons flow through your entire body, and flow through the entire Earth, and flow through everyones body, and all elements on Earth, and all life on Earth. Basically electrons are shared between the stars and planets and everything in the Universe, and on top of that they give rise to what you consider consciousness. Who is to say electrons can not link consciousnesses together?

Just because YOU can't do it as of now, doesn't mean others can't, or that it is not possible.

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
It's nice to think about this oneness where everyone holds hands, sings cumbaya, and there is universal love but that is not the way the universe works. There must be balance in the system.

Who are you to say how the Universe works? You don't even know the first thing about it.

What balance are you talking about?

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
If everyone is good and seeks to be good then someone will have to decide what is good? Who will decide this? The whole? If the whole cannot come to an agreement who decides then? I see huge flaws in this thinking.

You only see flaws because you are asking flawed questions.

There exists Universal good... do you really not know what "good" is? It has already been decided.

How can a question be flawed?

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

My, aren't you two wonderful.

How easy it is to write what you write, and how clean the explanation is that those who disagree simply haven't progressed to a point of being able to experience what you claim as commonplace within your own lives. Reminds me of when I hung out on a local rock scene forum in Boston years ago. A band would have a local club show, and then the next day, a flock of friends would all agree with each other on the board that the show had been incredible, that the band was poised to break national, that major label reps had been spotted in the room that night - all kinds of claims. Funny, I'd be there in the same room that evening, and there'd been 10, maybe 15 people, and the show started late, ended without fanfare, and the between the two moments, nothing had transpired worthy of note.

Words are easy to line up next to each other, and they don't resist whatever placement you decide for them. Reality isn't as maleable as the description of it. I've learned that everyone online is tall, good-looking, and ripped like Brad Pitt in Fight Club. They're all transcendent masters of whatever it is that's being discussed. Describing intuitive sensing and oneness as having been achieved is fun stuff, but please realize that only you and those exactly like you take your claims at face value. Experiences are not reality. They are perception, and perception is not, and never has been, reality.

I'm sorry if this seems insensitive, but I'm just - in essence - letting you know that you have toilet paper stuck to your shoe. It's compassionate in its own odd way of being so.

I disagree. Perception is reality. But only when it is from the point of view of the Absolute. The all-knowing. Oneness is the absolute. It is the whole. It is God. And Oneness wants you to see it.

I agree. A single entity's perception of his experience is just that. It is reality to the single entity, but a second entity may perceive the same situation differently, therefore there is conflict of reality. What is reality, is the situation and experience itself, without biased perception. But within the experience there exists the observation which is not independent of the experience. In the perception of oneness, you see that you are the observer and the observed. This give the oneness "perception" entitlement to reality.

I think that if we were both using the same terminology to represent our notions, we'd agree.

There is a true "real", and this "oneness perception" you refer to seems to be this true "real". If it is, then I agree with you, and this is what I was commenting on in my reply. People spin a version of reality that serves them, whether it be through amplifying their accomplishments or mitigating their failures. It's become so expected now days that no one takes anyone at face value anymore. While this is to be expected, and often is the proper way to deal with "spin", the truth can easily slide right by without anyone ever taking a moment to recognize it for what it is.

And this is the real problem with spin.

In a world where everything is its own version of true, nothing is ever seen as true. Not true as in possessing the impact of that which is authentically true. Information degrades into infotainment, and wisdom becomes a collection of six letters that can be used in a variety of way within a sentence.

Meanwhile, authentic truth persists. It persists because it simply does, and for no other reason. If Oneness is just another term for authentic reality as a collective whole, then someone needs to stabilize this term to specifically mean that. After all, if a term is supposed to represent such a rigid and factual collective, then the term itself must be likewise defined and restricted.

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That's exactly what it is. It is truth itself, without bias. And more.

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

I know that we are all connected to each other and the universe in a physical sense seeing as we are made of the same materials as stars. Don't get me wrong on that. My problem lies in the part about being connected through our consciousness. I've read the OP's other threads describing telepathy to be acquired by realizing that the person sitting across from me is myself and they are me. If one realizes that then they can communicate telepathically. This is absurd thinking. I am not that person because my consciousness is inside of myself and theirs in them. We are separate in those means and will never be one whole no matter how hard we try. It's nice to think about this oneness where everyone holds hands, sings cumbaya, and there is universal love but that is not the way the universe works. There must be balance in the system.

If everyone is good and seeks to be good then someone will have to decide what is good? Who will decide this? The whole? If the whole cannot come to an agreement who decides then? I see huge flaws in this thinking.

I mean dude. I'm not lying about my experience with telepathy. It really did happen. We are all connected DIRECTLY through spirit. This spirit is what I was able to connect with. The spirit is love. It is an energy. All matter is energy. You become one with the energy. The energy of love was the conduit for the transmission. I understand how this sounds absurd to you, as such concepts are born from a higher intelligence. This intelligence when it hits you, you describe it as wisdom. It can only be found within. I promise you, I haven't told one lie since I made the initial thread or since I joined ATS. In my life I purposely try to avoid all forms of deceit and I know that if I was deceitful on something that reaches a mass such as the ATS community, it would not serve anyone, and would be a waste of time. Do you think I would be still here reading post after post and replying to post after post, if I believed that what I was telling you was a lie. What a waste of time that would be.

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
How can a question be flawed?

You don't already know? A question is flawed when it is based on a flawed argument, statement, condition, and or logic.

Often times when people try to disprove something they will create several arguments in the form of questions. If the argument is flawed, then so to is the question.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

I know that we are all connected to each other and the universe in a physical sense seeing as we are made of the same materials as stars. Don't get me wrong on that. My problem lies in the part about being connected through our consciousness. I've read the OP's other threads describing telepathy to be acquired by realizing that the person sitting across from me is myself and they are me. If one realizes that then they can communicate telepathically. This is absurd thinking. I am not that person because my consciousness is inside of myself and theirs in them. We are separate in those means and will never be one whole no matter how hard we try. It's nice to think about this oneness where everyone holds hands, sings cumbaya, and there is universal love but that is not the way the universe works. There must be balance in the system.

If everyone is good and seeks to be good then someone will have to decide what is good? Who will decide this? The whole? If the whole cannot come to an agreement who decides then? I see huge flaws in this thinking.

I mean dude. I'm not lying about my experience with telepathy. It really did happen. We are all connected DIRECTLY through spirit. This spirit is what I was able to connect with. The spirit is love. It is an energy. All matter is energy. You become one with the energy. The energy of love was the conduit for the transmission. I understand how this sounds absurd to you, as such concepts are born from a higher intelligence. This intelligence when it hits you, you describe it as wisdom. It can only be found within. I promise you, I haven't told one lie since I made the initial thread or since I joined ATS. In my life I purposely try to avoid all forms of deceit and I know that if I was deceitful on something that reaches a mass such as the ATS community, it would not serve anyone, and would be a waste of time. Do you think I would be still here reading post after post and replying to post after post, if I believed that what I was telling you was a lie. What a waste of time that would be.

A spirit is immaterial, meaning it does not consist of matter. How does one connect the material (consisting of matter) to the immaterial (not consisting of matter)?

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
How can a question be flawed?

You don't already know? A question is flawed when it is based on a flawed argument, statement, condition, and or logic.

Often times when people try to disprove something they will create several arguments in the form of questions. If the argument is flawed, then so to is the question.

I asked merely what is good. What is good to you may not be good to me. You stated that it didn't matter because it was already decided. Who decided this?

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I feel that the Creator experiences his creation through us. We are directly plugged into the Creator always and can never be seperated from him/her. It is almost like the Creator is playing some extremely complex computer game. So we are one with the Creator and all that there is. So then we get to multiple universes. Is it One Creator in charge of all universes or does each universe have just one Creator? I do feel that there is some hierarchy. That is the Creator created beings to go forth and create beings, who created beings....and on and on. By doing so, the Creator allowed for the free will of his creations and formulated some suprises into the game. If it were totally predictable, it would lessen the experience for the Creator.

So if we are ONE with all there is, do we not have access to that unlimited power? Can we not step beyond the bounds of the default program and create ourselves? Why not? I think we can. I think that our thoughts can control the reality we experience. I am having successes with the latter all be it subtle ones presently.

Originally posted by PhantomLimb

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

I know that we are all connected to each other and the universe in a physical sense seeing as we are made of the same materials as stars. Don't get me wrong on that. My problem lies in the part about being connected through our consciousness. I've read the OP's other threads describing telepathy to be acquired by realizing that the person sitting across from me is myself and they are me. If one realizes that then they can communicate telepathically. This is absurd thinking. I am not that person because my consciousness is inside of myself and theirs in them. We are separate in those means and will never be one whole no matter how hard we try. It's nice to think about this oneness where everyone holds hands, sings cumbaya, and there is universal love but that is not the way the universe works. There must be balance in the system.

If everyone is good and seeks to be good then someone will have to decide what is good? Who will decide this? The whole? If the whole cannot come to an agreement who decides then? I see huge flaws in this thinking.

I mean dude. I'm not lying about my experience with telepathy. It really did happen. We are all connected DIRECTLY through spirit. This spirit is what I was able to connect with. The spirit is love. It is an energy. All matter is energy. You become one with the energy. The energy of love was the conduit for the transmission. I understand how this sounds absurd to you, as such concepts are born from a higher intelligence. This intelligence when it hits you, you describe it as wisdom. It can only be found within. I promise you, I haven't told one lie since I made the initial thread or since I joined ATS. In my life I purposely try to avoid all forms of deceit and I know that if I was deceitful on something that reaches a mass such as the ATS community, it would not serve anyone, and would be a waste of time. Do you think I would be still here reading post after post and replying to post after post, if I believed that what I was telling you was a lie. What a waste of time that would be.

A spirit is immaterial, meaning it does not consist of matter. How does one connect the material (consisting of matter) to the immaterial (not consisting of matter)?

Energetically. Emotionally. Love is the spirit. It is a love so vast it is incomprehensible. I've seen it as such (incomprehensible). We are connected in this spirit when you hold love in your heart across from someone else holding love in their heart. The more unconditional your love is, the more easier it is to connect. Telepathy is rooted in that connection. Eventually (and I know THIS is going to blow your mind), you come to realize that all the matter in the physical universe is born from love, and everything is love. This is very hard for most people to realize and see, but love is the energy of perpetuation

Now you see, there is what is called hate. But hate as I see it should be more accurately termed, the lack of love. Just as cold is defined as the lack of heat.

Originally posted by HUMBLEONE
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

I feel that the Creator experiences his creation through us. We are directly plugged into the Creator always and can never be seperated from him/her. It is almost like the Creator is playing some extremely complex computer game. So we are one with the Creator and all that there is. So then we get to multiple universes. Is it One Creator in charge of all universes or does each universe have just one Creator? I do feel that there is some hierarchy. That is the Creator created beings to go forth and create beings, who created beings....and on and on. By doing so, the Creator allowed for the free will of his creations and formulated some suprises into the game. If it were totally predictable, it would lessen the experience for the Creator.

So if we are ONE with all there is, do we not have access to that unlimited power? Can we not step beyond the bounds of the default program and create ourselves? Why not? I think we can. I think that our thoughts can control the reality we experience. I am having successes with the latter all be it subtle ones presently.

This makes me happy to read. I was just thinking that maybe the creator of this Universe exists in a realm where there are other creators for each universe.

More importantly, I too perceive this whole thing as like one big computer program. There is definitely an intelligent presence pervading all of our perceived Universe. I sense that we are being tested here.

I believe that we are co-creators.

Eventually (and I know THIS is going to blow your mind), you come to realize that all the matter in the physical universe is born from love, and everything is love.

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Finally, we come to the heart of the matter!

I would give this a thousand stars if I could.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by PhantomLimb

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

I know that we are all connected to each other and the universe in a physical sense seeing as we are made of the same materials as stars. Don't get me wrong on that. My problem lies in the part about being connected through our consciousness. I've read the OP's other threads describing telepathy to be acquired by realizing that the person sitting across from me is myself and they are me. If one realizes that then they can communicate telepathically. This is absurd thinking. I am not that person because my consciousness is inside of myself and theirs in them. We are separate in those means and will never be one whole no matter how hard we try. It's nice to think about this oneness where everyone holds hands, sings cumbaya, and there is universal love but that is not the way the universe works. There must be balance in the system.

If everyone is good and seeks to be good then someone will have to decide what is good? Who will decide this? The whole? If the whole cannot come to an agreement who decides then? I see huge flaws in this thinking.

I mean dude. I'm not lying about my experience with telepathy. It really did happen. We are all connected DIRECTLY through spirit. This spirit is what I was able to connect with. The spirit is love. It is an energy. All matter is energy. You become one with the energy. The energy of love was the conduit for the transmission. I understand how this sounds absurd to you, as such concepts are born from a higher intelligence. This intelligence when it hits you, you describe it as wisdom. It can only be found within. I promise you, I haven't told one lie since I made the initial thread or since I joined ATS. In my life I purposely try to avoid all forms of deceit and I know that if I was deceitful on something that reaches a mass such as the ATS community, it would not serve anyone, and would be a waste of time. Do you think I would be still here reading post after post and replying to post after post, if I believed that what I was telling you was a lie. What a waste of time that would be.

A spirit is immaterial, meaning it does not consist of matter. How does one connect the material (consisting of matter) to the immaterial (not consisting of matter)?

Energetically. Emotionally. Love is the spirit. It is a love so vast it is incomprehensible. I've seen it as such (incomprehensible). We are connected in this spirit when you hold love in your heart across from someone else holding love in their heart. The more unconditional your love is, the more easier it is to connect. Telepathy is rooted in that connection. Eventually (and I know THIS is going to blow your mind), you come to realize that all the matter in the physical universe is born from love, and everything is love. This is very hard for most people to realize and see, but love is the energy of perpetuation

Now you see, there is what is called hate. But hate as I see it should be more accurately termed, the lack of love. Just as cold is defined as the lack of heat.

You're off your rocker if you think love created physical matter and everything is love. Love is an emotional feeling that human beings experience. How could love create physical matter? Please don't waste my time and say that it 'just can'.

reply to post by PhantomLimb


What do you hope to accomplish by asking these questions? It is obvious to me your only reason for asking these loaded questions is because you think the answer will be a contradiction and you can use it to support your agenda.

Nothing you can say or do will disprove that All is One.

Whatever benefits the One can be considered good.

reply to post by PhantomLimb


What you are doing is arguing semantics. There are multiple meanings and understandings of "love". What you did is chose only one meaning which you think helps your argument.


If it wasn't for the "love" between protons, neutrons, and electrons, there wouldn't be any physical matter.

reply to post by PhantomLimb

You're off your rocker if you think love created physical matter and everything is love

Your signature:
"If one does not understand a person one tends to regard him as a fool. - Carl Jung"

Connect the dots.....

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by PhantomLimb

 

What do you hope to accomplish by asking these questions? It is obvious to me your only reason for asking these loaded questions is because you think the answer will be a contradiction and you can use it to support your agenda.

Nothing you can say or do will disprove that All is One.

Whatever benefits the One can be considered good.

No. I'm not doing that. I'm merely pointing out that it is contradictory in and of itself. There is no definable concrete answer of what is good in a philosophical sense. Therefore, anything can be "good" including murder. Do you follow? I think maybe the problem is that I am referring to a different good than you. Perhaps I'm thinking more along the lines of a moral goodness and perhaps your are referring to a spiritual goodness?

For myself, each individual is solely responsible for giving his or her own life meaning. They should live that life with deep sincerity. What you describe is a fulfilling life to you, but to myself it seems overwrought with kindness and love. It does seem great, but I feel it's not realistic. There is no meaning to life beyond what we give it.

Originally posted by mysticnoon
reply to post by PhantomLimb

 

You're off your rocker if you think love created physical matter and everything is love

Your signature:
"If one does not understand a person one tends to regard him as a fool. - Carl Jung"

Connect the dots.....

Well when someone says something that defies the laws of physics...


Matter cannot be created or destroyed. So yes it is a foolish notion to make.

reply to post by PhantomLimb


Nothing you are saying is contradictory to the FACT that all is One. Nothing you are saying contradicts understandings that you arrive at when you realize all is One. I don't see any point in any of your posts.

All you are doing is pointing out that good and bad is subjective, and you think that disproves something, or contradicts something.... I think you have fooled your self.

Also, if you seriously think "murder" can ever be "good", then I think I'm going to ignore you now.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by PhantomLimb

 

Nothing you are saying is contradictory to the FACT that all is One. Nothing you are saying contradicts understandings that you arrive at when you realize all is One. I don't see any point in any of your posts.

All you are doing is pointing out that good and bad is subjective, and you think that disproves something, or contradicts something.... I think you have fooled your self.

Also, if you seriously think "murder" can ever be "good", then I think I'm going to ignore you now.

edit on 17-1-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

I didn't say murder was good. Jesus. I said someone can view it that way. There are still Amazonian head hunters who kill other people. It's part of their culture. It's messed up. But to them it's normal. I just didn't make that clear enough.

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
Matter cannot be created or destroyed. So yes it is a foolish notion to make.

I think you just made a foolish notion, and should take some more science classes.

ENERGY cannot be created or destroyed.

Matter CAN be created and destroyed.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
Matter cannot be created or destroyed. So yes it is a foolish notion to make.

I think you just made a foolish notion, and should take some more science classes.

ENERGY cannot be created or destroyed.

Matter CAN be created and destroyed. In fact, matter is "destroyed" when it is converted to energy.

Matter is not destroyed. It is redistributed. You can't get something from nothing. That would mean that matter has always existed.

E=mc^2

The energy in a given amount of matter is its mass times the square of the speed of light.