Would the world be a better place if Hitler had won the 2nd World War?

reply to post by EssenSieMich


With the cold war which followed Germany defeat the best technology's east and west could muster where concentrated in Germany .This in the long term couldn't fail to benefit Germany
If the where no borders as there is now, Europe might be called Germania with central absolute power a" new world order "if you wish to call it that.Policies for Germania wouldn't get as much debate because the state would know best "chuckle"
No migrates from Asia would want to come to the "soft" Europe
Which would ease the burden on various social sectors ie; nhs,homelessness and unemployment

reply to post by Iamherefornow


Your story reminded me of one I experienced as a young boy with my down the street neighbor Mrs D. She was a war bride and got out of Germany shortly after the fall of the 3rd Reich.

Mrs D. explained to me how as a youngin' she was a part of the Nazi Youth. She explained to me how it was not unlike the Boyscouts or Girlscouts here in America; it was just a club that most youth were in, something to fill you with pride for your Nation.

She went on to say that Hitler was exactly like any POTUS. He spoke elegantly and fervently to the rise of a German nation that could one day lead the World to harmony; a world truly without war, famine, etc.

She expressed that the general public had NO idea that concentration camps were at full steam; committing the one of worst genocides this world has ever seen! Hitler was "just another President to us," she explained.

Lastly she conveyed a story about her family dentist, who happened to be Jewish. A damn fine dentist by her account. One day he received a letter from the Reich that he had been "selected" to perform his dentistry for the good of the Reich! She said he informed them that he was told to board a specific train to start his "new life" as a "private contractor" (in today's terms) for the Nazi party.

Mrs D. and her family never heard from their Jewish dentist again.

Really begs the question the OP put forth: what if....

I'd put money on the Third Reich collapsing within a decade of victory via civil war.

Definitely, technologically and scientifically at least. After the war all of the German scientists were divided up and taken by soviet and american forces. If they would have stayed together, with their combined strength the research they could have come up with is beyond unthinkable!

Obviously we have to think about the loss of people to the holocaust (if it's even as bad as they say it was, remember the victors write the history) However, the amount of people dying in the holocaust would have been far less than the total amount of people benefiting from the advances gained

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Originally posted by MMPI2
If you are looking for a potential upside to the axis winning the war, then you could say the only real positive would be the elimination of communists, stalinists and "progressives", and thus a more prosperous and happy world.

The downside, of course, is having the national socialists in charge along with the inevitable holocausts.

The idea that a policy of nation socialism would have eliminated "progressives" is interesting in that it seems contradictory. Since it was a variety of fascism that borrowed from both right and left ideologies adds to the contradiction until one notices it borrows the worst from the two.

In practice it was extreme far right. Those that hold that it has its virtue should be delighted that we seem to be headed that direction. No doubt their isolationism paid-off by allowing them to independently pursue advanced technologies that have proven valuable to the world to this day.

nah, it was anything but right. national socialism was and is a "statist" or "progressive" political position, a la Mark Levin.

It is indeed contradictory that one statist political and military structure could have eliminated another one. It would have been nice to behold, having the statist-communists eradicated, but we would have eventually had to deal with the statist-fascists.

In terms of being "delighted that we seem to be headed that direction (of the nazis)", it is important to observe that we are headed in that direction with socialist/progressive captain obama at the helm of the ship.

reply to post by igigi


Please don't think im some Aryan been racist because i don't wish to come across that way.
What i was thinking was how different life would be now,After the death camps and ethnic cleansing had run there course .Its seems people attach holocaust and Nazis then add evil
Why don't they react the same to England and America over slavery ?
Who knows how many Africans where forced from their country ,died from either illness ,hunger or brutality
Is it because the Nazis lost and England /America won the War?

reply to post by krs678


No, not in the least. I enjoy "thought experiments" like this one. Much like the famous Einstein–Podolsky–Rosen EPR paradox; which seems to be the root of Quantum Entanglement, or that "spooky action at a distance" according to Einstein!

To speak on what you previously posted: as the old saying goes "to the victor goes the spoils" or

"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon." - Napoleon

I would expect that after the genocide the world would be like how it is portrayed in "Demolition Man".

a lot speak about the holocaust and how they used gas chambers to kill millions of jews, to kill the communists, the mentally ill, or any anti-nazis.

but i'm still waiting for proof that those gas chambers really existed.

now i'm not saying that 6million jews didn't die, all i'm saying is that are we being told the truth?

Hitler's intentions were never to kill the jews, his plan was to kick them out of Europe or even send them to Madagascar.

it was only when germany started to lose the war thats when they resorted to the violence. but was it even hitler's idea? well we are told so.

when the allies and the soviet union made it to the camps, all they found were under weight people. people left without food or water. but then why would hitler supply his prisoners with food and water when his own army was starving as the tide of war turned?

there were mass killings and crimes committed by the waffen ss and other groups during ww2, but also there are many gaps in that time of history, there is something we are not being told.

i find it suspicious that most israelis have blue eyes and light hair...

i find it more suspicious that the german propaganda was aimed at the semetic jews, the true jews who look very similar to the arabs.

the jews that got killed during ww2 were the poor who refused to leave their homes. those jews were the true jews who would have stood against the state of israel. if those jews were still around then israel would have not been here. I say this not because there would have been no reason for the jews to return, but because the true jews would oppose the state of israel just like many of them do now!

the zionist had to get rid of the biggest obstacle facing them and that was the jews. you see power came in numbers.

hitler, a vegeterian, a non smoker who doesnt drink alcohol fell in the hands of the zionists.

he played their game and lost, he thought he had the jews that menaced the world, only to exterminate the wrong people. the zionist won that game.

hitler was not a racist, he was proud. his allies were italians and japanese. people misunderstand hitler, and to this day he's played as a psychopath who wanted to control the world and kill all the non white people.

to this day we are being told lies about hitler.

if hitler had won ww2 then the world would have been no different as he would die and pass, someone else would cease power and who knows what their intentions are. it could be better or worse. no one will know for sure.

If Hitler won the war, radical muslims would have never been a problem.

He would have split the world 50/50 with the Japanese. So no, the world would not have been only white.

We wouldn't have been robbed by the bankers. We would have a roof over our head to call home.

Maybe we wouldn't have poisoned America with dioxins, toxins, and other poisons.

Maybe we wouldn't have pumped a trillion trillion barrels of oil from the ground and our planet would still have a stable magnetic field. Maybe if Hitler won...humankind would have continued.

Maybe we took the wrong path and we're living thru the planets death. One thing is for sure.

We adopted Hitler's medical ideals in America. We inject poison into our ourselves thinking it's a cure.
America has Hitler's healthcare. Matter of fact everything Hitler was doing was brought to America and continued.

Just with different puppet masters at the top with a different grand plan. They want total control and don't want to split the Earth 50/50 with anyone.

Originally posted by krs678
reply to post by GammaRayBurst

 

Did you know Hitler wasn't the the first to use concentration camps ?
The British government used them to round up Africans from their villages to sell to America for slavery and any resistance meant death ,But that doesn't get talked about much....

And now the Israelis are doing it to the Palestinians.. The Jews learned well from Hitler.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst

Originally posted by krs678
reply to post by GammaRayBurst

 

Did you know Hitler wasn't the the first to use concentration camps ?
The British government used them to round up Africans from their villages to sell to America for slavery and any resistance meant death ,But that doesn't get talked about much....

And now the Israelis are doing it to the Palestinians.. The Jews learned well from Hitler.

Can you please provide photographic or other substantive proof that Israelis are putting anyone into concentration camps?

Thanks.

Alot depends on how Hitler won the war - defeats the USSR? Britain surrenders? Does he have an A-bomb? Has he declared War on the U.S.? How does that workout?

Let me not be a thread crapper and say :Hitler defeats the USSR and leaves a rump USSR east of Moscow, he has no A-bomb and the British government is a vichy-style government.

I think sooner or later it still ends with him in the Führerbunker and the forces of the day closing in. Hilter was never going to sit back and consolidate. He believed that once he conquored Europe, Germany would need to fight the US for World dominance. I bet he would have. Gone after the rump contries, vichy france, Finland, what is left of the USSR, fight battes in Africa and Asia, resistance forces all over the place (little Vietnams or IRaq 2005s) millions of dead Germans with no real end in sight, fighting the U.S./Canada/Australia and the British colonies that refused to go along.

I of course don't know, not claiming this is certainty, but I would bet it would not be inordinattly long before he was in the same conceptual spot he was when ended in April 45 either by (re)Aliied forces of Anglo-Colonial, Resistance forces or German Generals led Germans in a coup who were tired of dying in Hitlers endless wars.

No way I see it ending in facist paradise like the Starship Troopers world.

Originally posted by krs678
Good evening all
This may sound controversial but would the world now be a better place if the war had gone in Germany's favor?
In my mind i think Hitlers vision of united Europe with Germany at the center would not necessarily of been a bad thing . He was willing to try alternatives to the accepted "normal" science,therefore we might of had alternative energy sources by now ?

It is highly controversial and to just jump in with an answer: hell, no! Yes, Hitler was not about uniting Europe; he was about enlarging the "Lebensraum" (lit.: room for life) for his people, the Arian race. Of course, there is no race, but the human race. But, Hitler, being a fascist did not accept that. No, the world or even just Europe would not be a better place today, if Hitler had won the war. It was not possible to win that war anyway, IMHO. His defeat was just a matter of time ... after Stalingrad the myth of the invincible Arian German warrior was shattered anyways.

Originally posted by krs678
The way he turned Germany from recession to a superpower in less that a decade has to be commended.Hitler was on the cover of time magazine in 1938 as Person of the Year .I not saying all his methods where right but the over all plan of a united social country may not have been a bad idea ,History denotes that the victor can write the book our children read and learn from. We have always been told at school the Nazis were evil which no doubt there where some bad men in the Nazi party as power corrupts.
But with the War over i wonder what the world would be like now if the outcome where different ...
and would it be better?
What your thoughts?

Well, the recession was receding in Germany by the time he took over. And of course, rebuilding the army infrastructure did a lot to strengthen the economy and get the country out of recession. The word Socialist in National Socialist Party is a misnomer (it was intended to succor in all sorts of leftist and progressive folks, but in reality it was just a fascist party.) . You would be speaking German today and would live in a world where freedom (of speech, for example) would be highly restricted. No, either you are very naive or a fascist yourself or a revisionist. And while history gets written by the victors: in modern times and in well governed democratic societies history is written by historians, i.e. scientists who apply the scientific method and try to record history as impartial as possible. No, we would not be better of if Hitler had won the war ... especially, not me and my people, since although fascist ourselves at that time were invaded by fascist Italy and then later fascist Germany. My country, Greece, is one of few European countries, if not the only one, that did not get any reparations from Germany for the occupation, the ransacking of our wealth and not to mention, torture and death in KZs (concentration camps). The reason was after the war we plunged into a 3 year civil war and by the time that ended the train was long gone. I read today that the German chancellor, Mrs. Merkel, is astonished that Greece still brings the matter of war time reparations still up for discussion from time to time. She should not be: as I said we only want what we are entitled and what other countries got after the war ... would end our financial troubles in a second - instead, we are forced to get a credit from Germany and the rest of the EU plus the IWF to be able to pay off our debtors.

reply to post by Pervius


After hostilities ended and the Jewish question "solved" ,Europe unified under the swastika and all trade routes updated to autobahns or efficient running railway systems.The Aryan populace living in the wide expanses of the east, With the French Provence supplying wine and cheese and Italian Provence bringing pizza would life be better for Germanians ?
Would the new nation settle happily or be forever fighting civil wars?
Do u think Asia would of united against the Aryans?
If so i wouldn't think they would of stood much of a chance with the Nazi war machine in full swing.
Didn't Hitler have plans to conquer Asia?
So suppose he did and seceded there would be America and Germania with Germania been the larger it might of been very different to the world today.

My grandparents were Jewish so if Hitler won the war i wouldn't be here. Also if he won the war there would be no North korea to worry about bombing us but there would be no us to bomb. There would be no Obama or America.

reply to post by Landru


Very good point! Intense war on multiple sides, all the while Hitler's just hoping his defenses keep the camps safe so "Operation: Full Gas Ahead" can continue to operate... Basically in a constant state of fear.

I agree, it really would of probably still came down to him kissing that Walther PPK 7.65 mm pistol.

reply to post by Landru


The reason that i posted this thread was that while pondering the new world order question i thought about recent attempts to establish it,The second World War seemed recent in modern history and with Hitler been the head of the Reich ,I thought the what if he had won question.
Would the world or at least Europe be a better place?

Originally posted by MMPI2

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst

Originally posted by krs678
reply to post by GammaRayBurst

 

Did you know Hitler wasn't the the first to use concentration camps ?
The British government used them to round up Africans from their villages to sell to America for slavery and any resistance meant death ,But that doesn't get talked about much....

And now the Israelis are doing it to the Palestinians.. The Jews learned well from Hitler.

Can you please provide photographic or other substantive proof that Israelis are putting anyone into concentration camps?

If you think he is lying report him to the mods.

Since you haven't done that, perhaps you lack the courage? Or perhaps it is because you know his statement is accurate.

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