Assassin's politics lean 'left wing, quite liberal'

reply to post by muzzleflash


Bang-on. While the use of crosshairs was irresponsible and immature, we cannot blame Palin for what this guy did.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Bang-on. While the use of crosshairs was irresponsible and immature, we cannot blame Palin for what this guy did.

Perhaps not but you have to admit this type of veiled references could incite a mentally unstable person:
(100% recycled post of mine)

Sarah Palin Sticks to Her Guns, and Gun Imagery, in Message to Supporters

"The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons -- your Big Guns -- to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win," Palin wrote. In the headline of her update, she mockingly predicted that the message would be "subject to new politically correct language police censorship."

SOURCE

Those are HER WORDS so call her out then.

ETA: For clarity, these words are from 9 months ago and NOT related to recent tragedy. Submitted for context.

reply to post by kinda kurious


So explain to me what your remedy would be for this? If you're talking about social condemnation, I'm on board. But if you are talking about authoritative action, I just can't agree with you and think such a notion should be vigorously opposed.

It is an anathema to the principles of our founding and a big slide down a very slippery slope..

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by kinda kurious

 

So explain to me what your remedy would be for this?

Simple, I'd implore those who I support to tone down the rhetoric.

ETA: Although I'm not sure if Palin "commands the intellectual caliber" to communicate without such slogans.

reply to post by Oaktree


Makes since that he would live in that area, as a judge, seeing as how that part of Tucson is the "nicer" part - heading towards Santa Catalina Foothills and Sabino Canyon. I was very familiar with that intersection when I was an undergrad at U of A.

Edit: My point for bringing this up is to perhaps give at least some logic to him showing up unannounced; though, not to attempt to delegitimize any plausible explanations for his unfortunate death.

reply to post by loam


Agreed. However, in the necessary propagandizing of events like this, it is troublesome either to a more conservative person should he be branded as "tea party" or to someone like me should be be labeled "left-wing" or "leftist" or "Pothead Marxist Warrior of the People" for that matter.

What a quote, by the way: "he described [the Congresswoman] as "stupid and unintelligent." Simply eloquent ...love the twitter.

Trust me the news media will go through his life, and get everything wrong, as they are and will just try and spin everything there way.

They can spin even the most innocent things and try and get them to sound as a crime, and the hypocrits in society(i.e general public), will go oh no evil person.

reply to post by kinda kurious


Then we are essentially in agreement.

See? Wasn't that easy?

reply to post by Sphota


This is not the original article I had read stating this, I was flying through article after article at the time.
This basically sums up what I had read, he happened to be in the area, and decided to stop by.

U.S. District Judge John Roll had stopped by to say hello to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a friend. Then a gunman opened fire. Roll had received death threats in the past over disputes involving illegal immigration.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik said Roll, 63, who was a close friend of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, had just attended Mass at a nearby church and decided to stop by and say hello. A gunman opened fire, killing six and wounding 12, including Giffords.

L.A. Times

Well the breaking news now indicates that my analysis of the shooter’s politics was correct or at the very least more right than my detractors and the headline of this thread.

Sloppy terminology is the bane of ALL intelligent discourse.

A child is still dead and more lives ruined!

I began this thread after watching the media repeatedly attempt to associate the shooter with the Tea Party.

I had already viewed Loughner’s Youtube vids, and my first thought was that he didn’t strike me as your stereotypical (if there is one) Tea Partier.

Also, Congresswoman Giffords Congressional record implies to me that she is far from a “liberal”.

Her stances on immigration and gun rights, as well as her being labeled a “Blue Dog Democrat”, and the fact the she describes herself as a former Republican all said otherwise.

She was participating in her first "Congress on Your Corner" of 2011, something she had done for years, and in my opinion, a tremendous way for a Representative to get in touch with her constituents, Right, Left, or other.

It angered me to watch the MSM immediately begin it’s “Us vs. Them” spin tactics, when, IMO, the facts clearly did not lend support to that scenario.

Unfortunately, comments within this thread, such as:

Your WND article leads with a headline about him being a left-winger. The MSNBC article talks about how he cannot trust the current government and how he is upset about people not speaking English. These are not generally left-wing talking points.

and

Or driven by the inflammatory rhetoric against the dembs/libs by these guys.... Rush, Beck, Sean, Savage, Bork, Levin, Medved, Mancow, Hal Turner, ORilley, Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter. It was just a matter of time.

and

From my own experiences of people in the left, they are very odd. One minute they are all pally and wanting to be your friend, but the second you say something they don't like, they become extremely aggressive and confrontational, shouting you down with insults and faux intellect. The left are a dangerous breed.

and

What vile thing are you saying? Are using racist expletives in polite company? We know you right wingers are often xenophobes and the worst amongst you enjoy wearing pillow cases on moonlit nights.

show me that the media has done a nearly irreparable job of dividing us against each other.

Sad, so sad.

reply to post by Oaktree


I imagine the collapse of every free society is preceded by such division and the decay from within.

It's very depressing.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by Oaktree

 

I imagine the collapse of every free society is preceded by the decay from within.

It's very depressing.

Oh please! We can simply tone down the vitriol and refocus on facts, interpretation and political doctrines and schools of thought. Ultimately most of the ATS memebers are not the PTB so when TSHTF we will all be at risk so we will or may all have to pull together across partisan lines.
Choose optimism.

There is nothing liberal about blowing someone's brains out and killing 6 people in a rampage.

It suggests the actions of an angry paranoid like a right wing conservative.

reply to post by loam


I agree that it's most likely inevitable.
It reminds me of this married couple I knew.

Everything wrong with the world was somehow the other's fault.
They were so consumed with hate toward each other, it was impossible for them to communicate, to solve any issues.
Due to children and finances, they could not go their own ways.
Fortunately for them, unlike us, their children grew up and left the house, allowing them to finally end their pathetic relationship.

What's the answer for us?
I don't know, but even if I had THE answer, I'm sure it would be drowned out in all the name calling.

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Hence by your definition, and only your definition. The Tea Party is a leftwing organisation! Fine whatever. I stil think everything that I have seen points to a nutjob who as many do seems to mix left and right in a bizarre manner. I do hope the investigation understands their lefties from their rightists or valuable time could be lost if there were accomplices.

So you see terminology matters.

edit on 9-1-2011 by tiger5 because: Add words

That's not quite true. The Tea Party are extremely right-wing on a whole host of issues. In regards to Government power and the need to limit it, then yes, they're left leaning on that issue. On paper, atleast.

But they're certainly not a left wing organisation.

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Hence by your definition, and only your definition. The Tea Party is a leftwing organisation! Fine whatever. I stil think everything that I have seen points to a nutjob who as many do seems to mix left and right in a bizarre manner. I do hope the investigation understands their lefties from their rightists or valuable time could be lost if there were accomplices.

So you see terminology matters.

edit on 9-1-2011 by tiger5 because: Add words

That's not quite true. The Tea Party are extremely right-wing on a whole host of issues. In regards to Government power and the need to limit it, then yes, they're left leaning on that issue. On paper, atleast.

But they're certainly not a left wing organisation.

OK You have achieved something that many ATSers have failed to do. You have completely confused me or shown you have no understanding of left and right. Is trying to limit government power the prerequisite of the left leaners? I am not a right winger but firmly believe in limiting government.

My Brain hurts me

Originally posted by tiger5

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Hence by your definition, and only your definition. The Tea Party is a leftwing organisation! Fine whatever. I stil think everything that I have seen points to a nutjob who as many do seems to mix left and right in a bizarre manner. I do hope the investigation understands their lefties from their rightists or valuable time could be lost if there were accomplices.

So you see terminology matters.

edit on 9-1-2011 by tiger5 because: Add words

That's not quite true. The Tea Party are extremely right-wing on a whole host of issues. In regards to Government power and the need to limit it, then yes, they're left leaning on that issue. On paper, atleast.

But they're certainly not a left wing organisation.

OK You have achieved something that many ATSers have failed to do. You have completely confused me or shown you have no understanding of left and right. Is trying to limit government power the prerequisite of the left leaners? I am not a right winger but firmly believe in limiting government.

My Brain hurts me

I have plenty of understanding of the accepted paramaters of left and right. I just happen to disagree.

The left right paradigm most engage in and accept really only pertains to economic systems. Left-right should be judged on personal freedom vs government control. Which most probably know as up and down.

What governments and TPTB do is set it up to create division and support of government control. To manufacture us to be enemies on issues that don't really matter, in relative terms. If you're against government control and for freedom, Capitalist or not, I won't accept you as an enemy. Here's how it works; Someone 'right wing' will accept increased government control if it means they get Capitalists in control. Those on the 'left' will also accept an increase in government control if it means they get a Socialist government.

The currently accepted paradigm supports and aids government in total control and power. It should be seen as an enemy of freedom, an enemy of the people, by all.

After a few more coffees I will try to articulate my views better

So this is what we have become eh? So loser is allowed to make a misleading post about the politics of an assassin, based on hearsay. But the loser is “protected because he is merely editorializing about heresy. This is the right wing way folks learn this and you will learn how to destroy the evil that resides within it. The right wing scum such as Beck, Palin, Limbaugh all deserve to have their rolls in this exposed. Making veiled threats, vague accusations, dropping innuendo, but they have no culpability when their fanatical listeners lose and go postal. For Christ’s sake OZZY was on trial (more than once) defending his song lyrics, and these betrayers are allowed to continue on unfettered, and un impeded, by using our very own laws and Judges they have bought and paid for to continue this ruse. Seriously who is the most famous left wing speaker, radio/TV. host? Keith Olberman? Rachael Maddow?, Ed Shultz? The Raging Cajun? I imagine the problem with the dim bulbs among us is as follows; The dim bulbs never go out side of their inbred circles of information. So they imagine that the EVIL liberals are also saying the same things about right wingers too. See the entertainers all know they are whores for money. Their peers all know they are whores. What they don’t get (or do they?) is their listening watching demographic are not very bright. They are easily misled and do not know the difference between editorializing and reporting. If they had the mental horsepower they would not endlessly defend the same people who mislead them.

I have been trying to defend truth among these types for decades and have become quite adept at dispatching them quickly and with malice. Those who purposely misled the less intelligent among us deserve worse, I am merely a man and only have my voice and keyboard to defend those who need it most, oddly enough the very souls whom they use as their fodder. It is a low reward and low yield effort that quite frankly often leaves one more befuddled and hopeless than anything else. There is a demographic background and a matrix they use. Not hard to figure it out, especially if you have ANY entrainment background. A posting such as this shows one conclusively how the whole thing works.

Accusation made on heresy. Emotions flair and the rhetoric escalates based on the fanning of the flames by a few antagonists, the left leaning people’s bs detectors are going ape crap they lose their composure and start babbling like ignoramuses, myself included. If you truly want to deny ignorance pull it out by it’s roots. Cutting off the bloom is only a shallow gesture, and only encourages the growth of another shoot.

So if I could ask a question (that I will not be back to check on) Was it the intent of the op to start a topic to Distract? Inflame? Distort? Why would you start a thread about such a hot button issue with an outright distortion? A thread based on complete hearsay? Heresy that disagrees with the mans own words? Oh that is right, Just throwing it out there, I am sure Thomas Jefferson would be pleased. More than one person should be losing their posting rights around here in my opinion. But that is why I don’t get a vote, lol. I am not as democratic as my liberal brethren, and not as Christ like as I wish I were. Let us hope this will be the shot heard round the world V2. The event that finally wakes the people up enough so they can see those who are pulling their strings. Put them in front of a jury of their peers and lets get it on. Let the “scape goating” begin.

Originally posted by Oaktree
From over at WND:

One user on Twitter, Caitie Parker, wrote she went to high school, college and was in a band with the gunman.
She said she hadn't seen him since 2007.
Parker wrote of Lougher, "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
She also described him as "more left." Read more: Assassin's politics lean 'left wing, quite liberal'

WND

I figured I'd throw this out before this is all blamed on the Tea Party or something.

MSNBC rarely lets the facts get in their way.
You know they had their fingers crossed when the MSNBC staff typed his name into Google.
Lets get out the silly putty and find a way to link this guy with the Tea Party.
They did the same thing when that nut flew his airplane into the IRS building. Remember?
Paul Krugman is already trying to plant seeds in everyones minds. It's not working.