Head to the hills.......... what?

reply to post by SeenMyShare


"People NOW will shoot at you for trespassing in the country. That does not mean I would. People in a catastrophic situation would kill trespassers without waiting to see if they are friend or foe. That does not mean I would. I would defend my family and the produce that will feed my family and yours. I prefer not to have to. I prefer that you come to me and say "Hey, if I help you farm the bottom will you give me some produce this year and seed for next?"

You realize thats kind of slavery and thats the reason America F'd up in the first place? You Americans only think about you selves; money. food. water. shelter, oil. all the goods you need to survive thatts all Americans think about... hmmm reason why the World HATES you... god.. be more considerate and accept ANYONE and everyone! they are your brothers and sisters even if you dont know it yet.

You cap someone off.. you WILL regret it in the after life, bc you killed a soul. a life on this planet through anger/jeloues/threat whatever your feeling was... Americans need to start thinking about OTHERS before themselves... then this planet will heal

Kelliott

Well nice to see people think that that have any sort of control....Wow....does ignorance really run this deep.
Whether you own the land or not...marshall laws would be implemented...land would just be taken for the war effort....rebuilding effort...rehousing efforts..whatever the situation....lands would be expropriated by the controling goverments at the time...sure go ahead shoot people do as you want...no big deal is it....Depending on the crisis appropriate measures would be taken against landowners....
but being a person who just a few years back gave up 30 acres of their land in separation...but living in the country the OP is somewhat correct as people in the country help each other and rely on each other as everyone has skills....also most people i know myself included...alswys had rifles and knew how to use them...in my case they were for protection...but not from humans...hungry bears in spring brings out the best in them...but the worst was always a cougar....they love children...not just for a cuddly play thing either.
If it is a wartime situation....and things are gettting tough the govement steps in....if it is say a countrywide catastrophe then other forms of govermental laws will be enforced.....
It is a nice thought OP that you might sacrifice your life to protect a piece of dirt...no matter how beautiful it may be to you....but youmight just consider even heading deeper into the woods off the even more beaten track.
I know i was quite familiar with my local area....and believe me it was in the middle of nowhere in the cariboo...in British Columbia...but i would have abandoned it and went even deeper into the woods myself.

I'm having a difficulty with all the "You don't own the land" responses I've read here. This is patently BS and everyone has to know it. Animals of all sorts (not just people) claim a plot of land to provide sustenance for themselves or their group and fight bitterly (often to the death) to keep it.

Currently your land is kept by you because you can protect it (IE pay property taxes to pay for local authorities to keep others from stealing it from you) if the authorities or civilization goes away land ownership will be determined by community or individual strength to allow you or your community to continue using it.

Your strategy to retain land ownership and its effectiveness when the old deed and title no longer work will determine how well you can keep the land.

Finally, when someone says they would kill the hostile land owner because nobody owns the land and then take over...? this seems to be a wee bit hypocritical to my eyes.

By the way, I can point to countless indigenous populations, socialist / communist groups, not to mention animals of all kinds who do indeed believe in some form of land ownership... in fact, I would bet not a single example could be found of any successful human group where land ownership of some form for individuals or groups that exclude other people was not present.

Just think before you say nobody owns the land, it is beautiful concept but has no backing of any kind.

reply to post by Jinglelord


Jinglelord... sure you pay taxes to keep your land. Its been "yours" for a long period of time, you have kept great care of it and you maintain it daily...

On the Universal scale of things.. no one owns any amount of Earth. A rock flying through space around a shiny star... with tiny little inconsiderate beings hording "land" and supllies.. it means nothing my friend. Animals that have a sense of ownership over their land, "territorial" animals, they fight and they die because they "owned" that land. In the end when your dead for being selfish, was it worth "owning" that part of Earth? naah... never is. Thats why sharing is caring. Try it out

Never for a second belive you own ANYHTING, its a mir part of your imagination, an Illumination if you will. nothing on this planet is more valuable then Life at the time. remember that. Try reaching your inner self, your soul, get in touch with nature and the Global Energy you can tap into. It will take you a longer path then "owning" that piece of Earth silly

People who think greed, and ME first... live on a small vibration. They dont understand as much as they think they do, as far as life goes lol. But if your more content with fighting over dirt, grass, and corn or whatever go ahead. But remember this when your floating away

Kelliott

I think some disease will be the apacolypse problem, so the survivors will pillage or forage the dead people's kitchens for years. Getting rid of the dead bodies will be a problem. It is probably best to stay where you are familar and get along and work together. Those in the slums will geneocide themselves. Change is hard for uneducated people they would not venture forth. Remember birds of a feather flock together.
If you are from the city and you have no skills or no knowledge of what it takes to be in the country do not go there. You'll end up being a migrant worker, a slave, or dead. People in the country deal with farm deaths and hunting all the time. It's a fact of life. Besides that there is nothing out there in th country, I would get relly bored and feel isolated at my grandparents. I would go horsebackriding if the planet is finished, and I run out of everything. It is easier to hunt from a horse, animals are seen more often.

reply to post by Jinglelord


People who think they "own" property only rent it from the govt. Ever heard of a little thing called Eminent Domain? The govt can condemn your personal property such as supplies, for use by the military during wartime. In a SHTF scenario they can and will take your supplies if deemed necessary.

I already live in the hills, and have gathered what I think my family and I might need in case of any emergency. This includes several firearms. I agree with the statement made earlier that we will all be in the same boat (per say), but too many people intruding onto and into your area will cause your own supplies to dwindle. I will be kind, but only to a point. What I have for my family, is for my family.

reply to post by Kelliott


On the grand universal scale this entire pattern becomes null and void as our significance in such a scale is not even measurable as an entire race let alone as an individual with any petty things they may own. EAP: "All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream" and what I discuss here is the dream and not the outside nature of it. As such to the perceptual reality of the masses we do have property and we do own things, these things at their root are how we survive and secure the survival of our offspring. Human the animal does this. Once we transcend human the animal in thought life no longer becomes important and once again we have made null and void the entire concept of worry about SHTF.

reply to post by OptimistPrime



I think the key here is the government is taking "your" property and supplies. I would never be so foolish as to say that ownership is permanent. Ownership (using the paradigm of reality generally accepted by science and western civilization) is very real, but it is also fleeting just as everything in that particular paradigm of reality is. As several others here have said and I will reiterate: You own what you can protect and hold on to. This can be through law, society, or force.

Originally posted by immortalcamel

Originally posted by AndrewJay
I dont give a # what you think you own jim bob thinks he owns the mountains now? What kind of bull# is this? We aint gon take yer kind round here cuz you aint one of us? Atleast we know the best of humanity will be safe right? shove it redneck.

This is the kind of ingrate who will be taken out by someone, probably within the 1st day of SHTF. He will never see the city limit sign. This is the problem with the world and will probably cause the sh*t to hit the fan. To damn many people think they are owed something and don't want to do sh*t to get it. Half are even to lazy to go get it, they want it brought to them. They have no chance at surviving and won't. They will try and take, and will pay the price for their ignorance.

yea because i called him a redneck right? k he owns the mountains and i wont make it past the first day in his mountains. thanks for that.

YOU dont own the mountain just because you eat beef jerky and drink moonshine. Ingrate? Just love to hate them city folk dont you? Grow the # up.

Originally posted by NEWclearMind
reply to post by taccj9903

 

I have 10k rounds of 5.56 nato
~2k rounds of 7.62 nato
And about 1000 rounds of ammo for my pistols.
I also keep about 500 rounds of shotgun shells.
On top of this I have the ability to reload more.

Although I don't want to ever kill anyone, I think it would last long enough. Once the bodies piled up in our hypothetical situation, people would stay clear.

Unless you have plenty of help all those rounds won't help one person. I don't care how many rounds anyone has, a savvy person could get to you. But it isn't my intention to go back and forth arguing about ridiculous hypothetical situations. If you feel secure knowing that you have all that ammo, more power to you.

Originally posted by SeenMyShare
reply to post by TKDRL

 

Exactly! Bit of a double standard as I see it. They seem to want their cake and eat it too. I'll stay here until I can't ... then I'll come take your place! When the shoe is on the other foot I wonder how many will look back at the "Will work for food" sign some poor beggar was holding up and sneered at them? I myself have taken those people either to a grocery store, or home and fed them. We've had people park their vans, campers and tents on our property and fed them and supplied them with water and electricity while they got their feet back under them. We've cramped our home for total strangers with no place to go for months while their family found work and a place to live. I've gone through my cupboards and emptied out half to families who've fallen on hard times. The think is none of them ever came to me and said I owed it to them.

I can't even begin to explain how foolish you sound. When society breaks down it will be up the the "rural folks" to find a way to mass produce to support the city folk or you will find the city folk going out to the rural folks lands and planting food themselves. You don't stand in the way of people trying to feed their families. nobody is really saying you have to open your doors and share your pop tarts and milk. You do however have a moral obligation to work with other people in building something that everyone can benifit from.

You may find you need resources yourself that only us "city folk" can provide and bartering should be what's put in place. Not your attitude of "gtfo"

Finding it odd that everybody will throw out what scenarios they will and wont shoot in.......complete thought of a grandiose nature....contemplation doesnt earn the merrit badge....in my opinion this thread should be stopped because the OP dont get it..........she opend up an area she knows nothing about. That is why there is the sideways conversation of this thread....and for heavens sake why does it come down to this

Everyone here that is in the "OMG!!! The slickers are coming to eat all my food!" mindset are quite foolish. They all seem to think that urban folk are useless greedy bastards. Lets not forget, everyone in the rural areas NEED those city dwellers to purchase goods made by them in order to have MONEY to pay their bills (and keep their internet on so they can whine about city folk on a computer and network invented by city folk). All this is nonsensical on their behalf. I do not see anyone in rural areas saying anything about the shoe being on the other foot. Thats the sad part. Lets all talk about guns and ending someones life if them dang ol' slickers come a trottin on this here land. This thread is really just an excuse to express prejudice towards someone for where they live. Lets face facts here, we can all pretend we can fend off everyone from coming to take our stuff. Whether it is the military, or a large group of people with weapons, a handful of country folk are NOT going to do jack about it. Now maybe accepting someone from the city to aid in defense from those hordes of evil people might give you a fighting chance. Just remember this, if they are there to take your stuff, they will be the ones shooting and asking questions later. Who cares if they are setting up camp an acre away on your land. They are not bothering you, and probably are growing their own food, doing half the work for you, and most likely more than willing to share what they have. Violence leads to more violence and anyone stupid enough to risk a violent confrontation will end up dying, not from a fatal bullet shot, but from the infections soon to follow. In a world where medical supplies will be hard to come by, why take that chance for ill-perceived notions of ownership. Here is an idea, dont go shooting someone just cuz they are from the city, with large populations comes large numbers of doctors, the city guy you shot cuz he took an ear of corn just to get the energy to walk through the field (or mountain) to your house to barter, could have saved your life later on. If you are in a rual area, chances are you own a large plot of land, and if you are out wandering the property looking for slickers to shoot, then you are not with the rest of your family and that makes them vulnerable. Seen My Share is acting like city folk will be swarming her mountain like it was Woodstock. Those that havent died during the SHTF event, and havent decided to stay where they are, and those that didnt die from starvation or by wandering bands of nomads during the trip, really cut the number of possible "squatters" down to very small groups. If it is that bad where your large plot of land cant support another family, then I suppose you are screwed anyways.If you do run out of ammo or shoes, where are you gonna go, Walmart? Those tend to pop up in urban areas, and just remember that mindset of not sharing can very well go both ways. Preach compassion, not this predudice crap, thats what will cause SHTF in the first place. I think this thread should be a wake up call to everyone.

reply to post by mike184ever


It came down to this because of the OP having to feed her ego on the internet and having prejudice towards people living in the city, throwing out a silly threat in order to dissuade people from coming out her way to avoid a potential confrontation she invented in a fantasy about an apocalyptic event. Isolation and ATS will make people paranoid. Lets hope SHTF never happens so we do not see anyone with her mindset losing their humanity. As you have probably already seen, she quickly changed her tune when very good points were brought up showing her the error in her original post.

reply to post by OptimistPrime

Yeah, you all saw the people in Kentucky do to each other what the people in Katrina did. *sarcasm implied*

Many of you who would rather question my intelligence and accuse me of being a selfish silly old bat deserve what you get when you bug out. You can't take advice from someone living out here who knows the mentality of the "good ole boys", you who think that because the grocery store has racks and racks of fresh veggies that the country must have more - I wish you luck should you ever have to bug out to unknown territory. Good luck with your first time gardens when you are able to harvest only a third or a fourth of what you planted. Good luck when you eliminate the wildlife because you think its plentiful. Good luck finding country people who will be willing to help you learn to survive out here.

To the rest I say - There is lots of ground out here, a good bit of it fertile. There are lots of forests out here and used wisely will house you and warm you and enable you to cook. There are rivers, streams and wet weather streams - bring your filters. There are wild plants to nourish you, just remember not to take all you see. Save some to replenish themselves. There are people also out here, some will help, some will shoot first. They will be defending and providing for their family the same as you. They'll be just as scared as you. Try your best to come to them openly. They can teach you which ground will produce and which won't yield. They can teach you where to plant your various crops. They can teach you how to replenish the soil so it will yield the next year.

I still suggest you try your very best to get to know your BOL now as well as those who live around your BOL. It sure would save a hassle down the road should it come to that.

I've been very patient with all the name calling without retaliating. I hope you never meet some of the country folk I tried to warn you about.

reply to post by saabster5


Thank YOU. Scenarios vice solutions. I was hoping this thread would delve deeper - obviously not. Sigh...
Peace!

I have one more piece of advice for those willing to listen. Even if you can't get acquainted with the people in the area you plan to evacuate to you can do some research that might help.

Search for a map on the population density of your proposed bug out area. You're looking for the lowest density you can find. Once you find a low density of population load a satellite view of the area. Be sure to check out the elevations, terrain, visible water, and nearest towns and villages. You wouldn't want to head west only to find out that the place you planned to cross had a 2000' sheer drop off to the river! You'll also want to know that if you have to cross the river where the lowest points are and what's on the other side should you have to build a fire to warm up and dry off. Try to build the smallest effective fire you can and be sure to fully extinguish any fires you build.

You want to get an idea of where currently occupied residences are - and if possible - avoid them unless you can bring something to them that will help them accept you. Be careful. Not everyone will let you pass safely, I don't care what some on here say. Its better to avoid the confrontation than it is to lose half or all of your party in a firefight.

Once you think you've found a decent location look up the area in the county extension office. That will tell you what, if anything, is typically grown there and it will also give you an idea of growing practices for that area. Once you know what will grow where you're going pick up some seed, some hand tools and a gardening guide.

Check the Dept. of Natural Resources page for that state and county to see what game is typically hunted there or what fish is commonly available. While you have the satellite view open check the route(s) to your destination and pick out several alternate routes in case one/some are inaccessible. Check the nearest town/city data for average temperature, rainfall, snowfall etc. You'll want to know according to the month and the typical weather there what type of shelter you'll need.

Once you've decided on a location or several locations and the route(s) pick up a field guide to the flora and fauna in that area. You want to know what is edible, what is toxic, where and how to find the wild foods you need, and how not to over harvest to the point of total depletion. You'll want to know what are valuable medicinal plants, their identification, uses and "doses". Pick up a field guide to medicinal plants as well.

Print out the maps, satellite views, elevations and mark your routes on them and put them with the field guides and a good compass in your BOB.

And lets all pray you never need your BOB or the information you've gathered.

reply to post by SeenMyShare


Yes we know you hate 'city folk'. You've already made that point clear multiple times in this thread.

reply to post by OptimistPrime


What other post are you referring too that I "redeemed" myself from??? Obviously you have me confused with someone else, as I only posted the one...It just did not seem to be prudent to post more than that, seeing as though the only scenario that anybody will be able to hunt/gather and farm in will be a financial collapse/civil war. That is if whats left of the Government lets them, which I do not see happening. Anybody that thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves.Other scenarios Asteroid,Nukes,Super volcano eruption, or the Ozone layer being cooked away, etc. just what do they think they are going to drink, hunt and grow? Unless you are far underground and able to stay there for YEARS you will perish, period. Whatever happened to 'down home country hospitality'? The OP makes it seem that where she is coming from is more like the movie 'Deliverance' than like Mayberry, and that is a place that I chose to avoid,at all costs, anytime not just during a crisis...I just hope and pray that she and her family don't have to seek help and run into the same type of people she claims to be.