FACT CHECK: Mass bird, fish deaths occur regularly

Shogun and Sentinal are really hyping this thread up.

Where's the proof that there's been unexplainable mass bird deaths all over the world all within days of each other?

I would like to see it.I'm not doubting you.But does that mean it's normal?Think about that!

Unexplainable is not normal..Only when it is explainable then it becomes normal.And even then it would have to of happen on a regular basis..which it don't...UNEXPLAINABLE remember?

Show me the proof of unexplainable mass bird deaths in different parts of the world within days of each other!I don't want your links to exploding frogs or explainable deaths I want the unexplainable ones.I looked and I can't find any maybe you'll have better luck..peace!

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I would like to know, since you looked at the stats, how going from 160 incidents in a year to 30 incidents in 5 days is comcidered normal.

I also want to know how going from slow deaths, as the records show, to instant death is normal.

I also want to know how going from 1 species per mass death to multiple species is normal.




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Look back at page 15 or 16. The full list is there. And it is not just birds. It is sea creatures as well.


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I have to agree with the OP...

I fear we will see a massive increase in Doomsday threads as we near 2012.

I also am aware of the fact that often, when things that are normally creepy, yet unreported, become reported, they are often mistaken for signs of the end of times...

Good Job on a steady Wake-Up Call.

Harvard Biologist E.O. Wilson believes that this time around, technology is to blame for the mass deaths of the aviary community... the only thing I see strange about this is that, if technology is the cause, will we see more if this now? Considering technology is always on and ever-growing.

MSN Reported approximately 95 mass die-offs since the 1970's. If my history serves correct, this would be when cellular communications and tele-communications really began to take a fast-track towards innovation.

- Shikamaru

Originally posted by GodIsPissed
Where's the proof that there's been unexplainable mass bird deaths all over the world all within days of each other?

www.politicolnews.com...

This is just the last days from the U.S. and Canada. There were more in Italy, Japan, Vietnam (100-150 tons of fish), Brazil (100-150 tons of fish), Norway, United Kingdom (40000+ Crabs) and a lot more. This is not normal at all.

What is strange, even the MSM started to give a full coverage about it. I'm not a Fox fan and they're also coming with the "Armageddon is here" news style, but at least they summarized it perfectly.
video.foxnews.com...

Also check other threads here on ATS. There is a thread, which is also covering everything. More then 23 places all around the world within few days.

There are plenty similar events that are happened in the last days and many of you haven't heard about it. And then comes the disinfo guys whose are saying, "Everything is normal. Move along."

Well, I'm not going to tell you what to think. I just tell my opinion, which is: This is not normal at all.

OK. I will say this. I have traveled extensively over this Earth. I have lived nearly 40 years and have spoken with people who are far more traveled than I and have lived considerably longer.
I have never seen or heard of die-offs like the most recent ones. I have read of them and they have been isolated occurrences. what has been happening of late is far from isolated. The people I have discussed this with agree that what we are seeing is unprecedented and rather disturbing.
Disregard what you are seeing all you like. Rationalize it and site as many questionable reports as suits you. The fact remains that we are beginning to experience something we have never seen before. Keep watching, it is going to get far worse.

Originally posted by Quantum Logic
I see the gatekeepers have deemed it necessary now to quell this before it goes viral. If you "controllers of information" believe we are that foolish to believe this is just a normal occurrence, then you are sadly mistaken. Those who pay attention to their surroundings know something is happening. We may not know exactly what it is, but it is definitely not normal due to the sheer numbers involved in such a short time span. We will NOT be silent, and you will NOT stop us from discussing it.

"nothing going on here folks. everything is normal. nothing to worry about. go inside, have a beer and watch your television".

...attributed to unknown agency person in a hazmat suit.

I'm sure the the ops response was similiar to that given during so many of the other "oopsies" that have occured.

for example..

www.fact-index.com...

1950s
February 13, 1950 - B-36 en route from Alaska to Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas develops mechanical difficulties. The crew dump the nuclear weapons off British Columbia then abandon ship. The high explosives detonate on impact.[1]

April 11, 1950 – A B-29 bomber crashes three minutes after takeoff from Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. A nuclear bomb with no detonators installed is on board at the time of the crash; it's casing is destroyed, but the weapon does not go off.[1]

November 10, 1950 - B-50 returning one of several US Mark IV bombs secretly deployed in Canada has engine trouble and jettisons the weapon at 10,500 feet. The bomb, carrying some uranium but not its plutonium core, is set to self-destruct at 2500' and dropped over the St. Lawrence River off Rivi�re du Loup, Quebec. The explosion shakes area residents and scatters nearly 100 pounds (45 kg) of uranium.[1]

December 12, 1952, Chalk River, Canada - first serious nuclear disaster in the NRX reactor. A massive power excursion destroyed the core, resulting in a partial meltdown. A series of hydrogen gas explosions threw the four-ton gasholder dome four feet into the air where it jammed in the superstructure. Thousands of curies of fission products were released into the atmosphere, and a million gallons of radioactively contaminated water had to be pumped out of the basement and "disposed of" in shallow trenches not far from the Ottawa River. The core was buried. Jimmy Carter, then a nuclear engineer in the US Navy, was among the cleanup crew.

April 26, 1953 - Albany-Troy rainout, probably from Simon test. Ground radiation averaged about 50 Ci/km²; some puddles register 270 nCi/L, nearly 3000× the AEC limit.[1] There is an even worse rainout in June.[1]

May 19, 1953 - The U.S. Government detonates the 32-kiloton bomb "Harry" at the Nevada test site. The bomb later became known as "Dirty Harry" because of the tremendous amount of offsite fallout generated by the bomb. [1] Winds carried fallout 135 miles to St. George, Utah, where residents reported "an oddly metallic sort of taste in the air." [1] A 1962 AEC report found that "children living in St. George, Utah may have received doses to the thyroid of radioiodine as high as 120 to 440 rads." [1]

1954 Off the Delaware/Maryland coast - The US Submarine Seawolf scuttles an experimental sodium-cooled reactor in 9,000 feet of water. At 33 kCi it's likely the most radioactive single object ever deliberately sunk, and has not been retrieved as of 2003. The reactor had problems with corrosion from the coolant, and was replaced by a conventional light-water reactor.

March 1, 1954 During the early morning of March 1st, a Japanese Fishing boat, the Fukuryu Maru, or "Lucky Dragon," and its crew witnessed what they thought was the sun rising to the west of them as they sailed in the Pacific Ocean. What they were in fact witnessing was the 12 Megaton detonation of the Hydrogen "Bravo" bomb at the Bikini Atoll, 85 miles away. Several hours later, white ash began to fall like snow onto the boat. Many of the crew members began gathering the ash into bags as souvenirs. Before the sun set, the entire crew became ill. (The 86 residents of Rongelap Atoll had similar experience from their inch-plus of deadly snow.[1]) The 23 crew members were hospitalized in Japan and one later died of kidney failure, due to exposure to radiation. The incident caused a rift in relations between Japan and the United States because the US did not warn Japan or any other country of the bomb's testing, leaving the Lucky Dragon exposed to the fallout. (In partial mitigation, the device yielded about 2½× what was predicted because of an overlooked reaction; the US expanded its exclusion zones in later tests.) The US issued an apology and paid 2 million US dollarss in compensation.

1955 - unexpected wind shift drops test fallout on Las Vegas[1]

November 29, 1955 - Operator error destroys three-year-old experimental breeder reactor EBR-1.[1]

November 22, 1955 - Soviets test the first weaponised fusion device, 1.6 Mt. Atmospheric refraction causes unexpected blast damage, killing three.[1]

March 10, 1956 - Somewhere en route to a rendezvous with an Air Force tanker flying over the Mediterranean Sea, a B-47 from MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida disappears without a trace. The plane is carrying two nuclear capsules at the time of the incident.

July 2, 1956 - Nine individuals are injured after two explosions destroyed a portion of Sylvania Electric Products' Metallurgy Atomic Research Center in Bayside, Queens, New York.

July 26, 1956 - A US B-47 practicing landings at Lakenheath Air Base in Suffolk, England skids into a nuclear storage "igloo" with three Mark VI bombs inside. The resulting fire is extinguished without explosion, although a secret cable by US 7th Air Division General James Walsh in Britain remarks that the bombs were "knocked about," and, "Preliminary exam by bomb disposal officer says a miracle that one Mark Six with exposed detonators sheared didn't go."

May 22, 1957 - Land grants of University of New Mexico, near Albuquerque, New Mexico. A bomber accidentally drops a 10-megaton hydrogen bomb. The trigger explosive detonates, creating a 12-foot deep crater 25 feet across. Some radiation is detected.

July 28, 1957 - C-124 Globemaster with 3 nuclear weapons and a nuclear capsule from Dover AFB loses power in two engines. Two weapons are jettisoned somewhere off Rehobeth DW and Cape May/Wildwood NJ; they are never found.

1957 Keleket Co. - A capsule of radium salt bursts. This causes a five-month decontamination costing $250,000. The capsule was used to calibrate the radiation-measuring devices produced there.

September 11, 1957 - Major fire at Rocky Flats weapon mill 27 km from Denver begins in a glovebox and spreads through the ventilation system into the stack filters. Plutonium (among lesser evils) is released, but no one is sure how much; estimates range from 25 mg to 250 kg.class="external">[2class="external">[1

September 29, 1957 - Cooling system failure resulted in a nuclear waste storage tank explosion at Mayak, a spent nuclear fuel reprocessing facility near Chelyabinsk, Russia, releasing some 20 MCi and subjecting (by various estimates) 124,000 to 270,000 people to dangerously high levels of radiation.[1] Of these, only 7,500 were evacuated, most of them too late to prevent dangerous levels of exposure. A series of less prominent accidents preceded and followed this meltdown, in addition to a polluted water supply for people remaining in the area. More than 500,000 inhabitants of the region have been exposed to radiation as a result.

October 7-11, 1957 - Windscale Pile No. 1 at Sellafield north of Liverpool, England begins a process dubbed "annealing" to release Wigner energy from graphite portions of the reactor. Technicians mistakenly overheat the reactor pile because poorly placed temperature sensors indicate the reactor is cooling rather than heating. A fire results in the following days and is finally extinguished on the 11th, but it is discovered that the air-cooled reactor had spewed radioactive gases throughout the surrounding countryside. Milk distribution is banned in a 200 square mile area around the reactor. Over the following years, Pile No. 1 and neighboring Pile No. 2 are shut down, although nuclear decommission work resumes in 1990 and continues at least through 1999. The incident, classified as the same scale as Three Mile Island, is later blamed for dozens of cancer deaths.class="external">[2class="external">[1

January 31, 1958, U.S. Air-Force Base, 90 miles N.E. of Rabat, Morocco - A B-47 with a fully-armed nuclear weapon crashes and burns for 7 hours. The Air Force evacuates everyone within 1 mile of the base. Many vehicles and aircraft were contaminated. Moroccan officials were not notified.

February 5, 1958 – A damaged B-47 flying off the coast of Georgia near Tybee Island jettisons a weapon lacking its nuclear core from 7200 feet after attempting to land three times at Hunter Air Force Base. The plane had suffered a collision with an F-86 during simulated combat near Savannah, Georgia, and could not land safely with the heavy bomb on board. The bomb is never recovered.

February 28, 1958 – At a US airbase at Greenham Common, England, a B-47 has a fiery crash. Scientists working for the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment in Aldermaston in 1960 discover high concentrations of radioactive contamination at the base, pointing toward the conclusion that a nuclear warhead was involved in the crash. However, the US government has never confirmed such speculation.

1958 - unexpected wind shift drops test fallout on Los Angeles[1]

1958 - Military reactor near Chelyabinsk relases radioactive dust. 12 villages evacuated.

1958, Chalk River, Canada several metallic uranium fuel rods in the NRU reactor overheated and ruptured inside the core. One of the damaged rods caught fire and was torn in two as it was being removed from the core by a robotic crane. As the remote-controlled crane passed overhead, carrying the larger portion of the damaged rod, a three-foot length of burning uranium fuel broke off and fell into a shallow maintenance pit. The ventilation system was jammed in the "open" position, thereby contaminating the accessible areas of the building as well as a sizable area downwind from the reactor site. A relay team of scientists and technicians eventually extinguished the fire by running past the maintenance pit at top speed wearing full protective gear, dumping buckets of wet sand on the burning uranium fuel.

March 11, 1958, Hunter Air Force Base, Georgia - A B-47 en route to an overseas base drops an unarmed nuclear weapon into the yard of Walter Gregg and his family in Mars Bluff, South Carolina, near Florence, South Carolina. The trigger explodes and destroys Gregg's house, injuring six members of his family. The blast forms a crater 60 feet wide and 30 feet deep. Five houses and a church are also damaged. Five months later the Air Force pays the Greggs $54,000 of his estimated $300,000 loss. Residents carried away radioactive pieces of the bomb for souvenirs, which had to be retrieved by the Air Force cleanup crew.

November 4, 1958 - B-47 bearing nuclear bombs burns in flight, crashing in Texas.

December 30, 1958 - A critical mass of plutonium solution is accidentally assembled during chemical purification at Los Alamos. The crane operator dies of acute radiation sickness. The March, 1961 Journal of Occupational Medicine prints a special supplement medically analyzing this accident. Hand-manipulations of critical assemblies are abandoned as a matter of policy in U.S. federal facilities after this accident.

1959 Santa Susana Field Laboratory near Simi Valley, California - A sodium-cooled reactor suffers a partial core meltdown.

July 1959 - small meltdown in San Fernando valley releases radiation

October 1959 - One killed and 3 seriously burned in explosion and fire of prototype reactor for the USS Triton at the Navy's training center in West Milton NY. The Navy stated "The explosion?was completely unrelated to the reactor or any of its principal auxiliary systems," but sources familiar with the operation claim that the high-pressure air flask that exploded was to feed a crucial reactor-problem backup system.

October 15, 1959 - B-52 with two nuclear bombs collides with KC-135 tanker and crashes in Kentucky

1960s

1962 - Czech study proves the uranium mill near Ceske Budejovice has caused the loss of 80% of local cattle by leukemia and deformities. Budweiser gets its hops from the same area.

April 10, 1963, east of Boston, Massachusetts - The nuclear submarine USS Thresher sank during sea trials with 129 men aboard. A year earlier, just before the end of its refit interval, the boat had been abused in a munitions test where it literally tried to approach explosions as closely as possible. The boat was refitted afterward, and sank on its sea trials. In a show of poor planning, the sea trial was conducted where the bottom was below the hull's crush depth. In the yard, destructive tests of a few silver-soldered pipe connections had failed. At the time, nondestructive testing was unknown, and no test records were available. The investigators believed that the sinking was caused by the failure of a major through-hull silver-soldered connection, such as a secondary-loop cooling inlet, and that the reactor and its design was not responsible. The reactor was not recovered.

May 1963 - Mandan North Dakota records the highest milk concentration of strontium-90 anywhere in the US ever (as of 2003). It probably originated in the highly-secret Hanford lab.

January 13, 1964 - B-52 with two nuclear weapons crashes near Cumberland Maryland

April 1964 - US nuclear-powered navigational satellite burns in the atmosphere, releasing 17 kCi of Pu-238

July 24, 1964 - An accident at a commercial nuclear fuel fabrication facility in Charlestown, Rhode Island left one person dead

January 17, 1966, Palomares, Spain - During over-ocean in-flight refueling, a B-52 collides with an Air Force KC-135 jet tanker. Eight of the eleven crew members are killed. The KC-135's 40,000 gallons of jet fuel burn. Two hydrogen bombs rupture. The radioactive particles disperse over farms. An intact bomb lands near Palomares. The fourth bomb was lost at sea 12 miles off the coast. A search involving three months and 12,000 men recover it. 1,500 tons of radioactive soil and tomato plants were shipped to a nuclear dump in Aiken, South Carolina. The U.S. settled claims by 522 Palomares residents for $600,000. The town got a $200,000 desalinizing plant.

1970s
December 18, 1970 Baneberry underground test vents 6.7 MCi through a fissure in the rock.[1] Fallout drifted into Canada, violating the 1963 test-ban treaty.[1]

November 19, 1971 Northern States Power Company, Monticello, Minnesota - A nuclear power plant's water storage facility overflowed, releasing 50,000 gallons of radioactive waste water into the Mississippi River. Some radioactive substances entered the St. Paul water system.

1975 - The USS Guardfish attempts to dump the depleted resin from its demineralization system (used to remove dissolved radioactive minerals and particles from the primary coolant loops of submarines). The ship is contaminated when wind blew the resin back onto the ship. THIS ACCIDENT IS FAIRLY COMMON (my caps) (see 1961).

1980s

1988, Savannah River, Georgia - The National Research Council panel released a report listing 30 "significant unreported incidents" at the Savannah River production plants over the previous 30 years. Ground water contamination occurred.

January, 1989, Savannah River, Georgia - A fault was discovered to run under the Savannah river nuclear processing plants, to an underground aquifer providing drinking water to much of the southeast. Nearby turtles had radioactive strontium of up to 1,000 times the background level.

2000's

July 2000, Hanford Engineering Works, Hanford, Washington - Wildfires hit the highly radioactive "B/C" waste disposal trenches. Airborne plutonium levels were raised in the nearby cities of Pasco and Richland to 1,000 times above normal.

While this is ONLY A SELECT FEW, and it is only dealing with nukes, it should show that sometimes "things arent all happy happy".

Reply to post by Shikamaru

Wait. First youbsay you agree with the OP that this is normal (30 mass deaths in 5 days).

Then you said that the MSM said there have been 95 since 1970.

So going from 95 in 40 years to 30 in 5 days is normal?


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Okay, so the birds drops dead out of no where from the sky and there still isn't a specific answer for it?

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yes the end is nigh

The Aflockalypse is here!

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Fireworks and bridges and disease, oh my


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If you wish to add anything else meaningful to the discussion, feel free.


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Originally posted by Shikamaru
I have to agree with the OP...

I fear we will see a massive increase in Doomsday threads as we near 2012.

I also am aware of the fact that often, when things that are normally creepy, yet unreported, become reported, they are often mistaken for signs of the end of times...

Good Job on a steady Wake-Up Call.

Harvard Biologist E.O. Wilson believes that this time around, technology is to blame for the mass deaths of the aviary community... the only thing I see strange about this is that, if technology is the cause, will we see more if this now? Considering technology is always on and ever-growing.

MSN Reported approximately 95 mass die-offs since the 1970's. If my history serves correct, this would be when cellular communications and tele-communications really began to take a fast-track towards innovation.

- Shikamaru

Honestly it kind of makes me angry, Humanity has been pooping all over the wildlife of this planet for a very long time and its only as we get close to a false Doomsday that some people start paying attention! Plants, Fish, Amphibans, Birds, Mammels, dieing off at the rate of the biggest extinction since the planet began and normally its /yawn, but throw in the Mayan calendar and its

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so presumably we will see mass bird death reports continueing through 2011 and the extinction of quite a few species? if it isnt normal we will see huge declines in bird numbers.

lets see if that happens if it does ill be glad to say i was wrong and should have been worried.

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I didn't say we do nothing about it. We must study why it is happening and see if there is anything we can do about it. We don't ignore the problem but we shouldn't jump to any conclusions either. We need to do adequate research to determine what the cause was and how to prevent it. We shouldn't come on and start spreading mass panic saying the world is coming to an end. And let us take into account the meaning of mass. A mass I presume would mean a large quantity which this is not. This isn't even denting the population of one species let alone birds and fish.

So why should we start panicking? If this problem persists and we haven't figured out what the cause is than it would be time to throw more money and resources to find out the problem. But now I think a little research should be just fine in figuring out the problem.

BTW, I am not ruling out a conspiracy I am just saying not to panic until we figured out what the cause is.

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Yes I stand by my post but perhaps it was delivered incorrectly.
Assuming you read the rest of what I said, I was referencing the theory of a Harvard biologist who claimed communication technology is responsible for the recent mass die-offs.

This could only lead me to think that, like normally, someone's recently created something that is taking technology ALOT further, and faster than normal, thus you would obviously a see a rapid increase in the by-product... dead birds!

Think back on what the first satellite in space created as an effect on species all over the world when it started launching it's first broadcast waves back and forth from space to land.

I'll give you a hint, look at what the Moon, Earth's natural satellite, does to animals when it is in certain positions around our planet. I hope this cleared my idea up for you.

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Well done. I will star you when I get to a computer.

My only contention to that theory is why now? What happened recently, technogically speaking, that would cause mass deaths around the entire world?


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Originally posted by Shikamaru

There is one little problem with your theory. The magnetic poles are "officially" shifting. And fast. These creatures are navigating via this field. If it's shifting, these creatures are confused. And also you can see the first sign in our civilization, the repainting of Tampa Runway 36 to 01, which means 10 degree difference from the original (Runway 36 = 360, or 0 degree. Runway 01 = 10 degree). This is a lot and I'm telling you as I have some past in aviation. Ten degree difference within few days is massive.

When the first planes will unable to land on the airfields, when the GPS will take you to the wrong coordinates, then you'll see this is just the beginning.

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Well, as I said, the recent increase in the mass deaths, could simply be the result of some new communication technology that could be secret, or owned by a private corporation. I don;'t want to make it sound like some spooky conspiracy, as it could be with a good concious that the technology could be made.

Yet, You have keep an eye on one idea when it comes to technology. It never goes backwards, It was never designed to. It can only become more powerful, more complex, and when you combine that with the wrong handlers... more dangerous.

I would just hate to find out that someone knows about what paticular technology has caused this, and find that they are seemingly not caring about what happens to birds around the world when hit with a radio wave or certain frequency from a technology capable of this.

People don't realise enough what killing off one species of the planet can do to the entire system. Like a domino effect, really. I hope this answers your question.

I'd also like to add that, these are simply my perspective views on the current situation, and in no way, am I stating the absolute problem here.

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Off topic a bit. Does GPS rely on the magnetic field.

My phone has GPS, and I thought it used triangulation from towers.

Reason I am asking is that I do not use the GPS too often. On Thanksgiving Day I used it, and it was off by about a mile north. The next time I used it was January 5. It was off by the same amount.

Or maybe it was just Google Maps and my GPS acting up. Was weird though, as that is the first time I have seen my GPS mess up in a year and a half.


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