Expert: Storm likely killed thousands of birds.

reply to post by butcherguy


I've never seen it happen, either, but I'm not going to say that it can't or it doesn't.

I've lived my entire life in rural Arkansas and I can tell you that it was sheer luck that anyone noticed this. The eastern half of the state is mostly farmland and virtually no one is out in those fields during the winter months. If 10,000 blackbirds drop dead in the middle of a random 300 acre rice field around here during the dead of winter, no one is going to notice right now. The only reason anyone knew about this is because it happened in town.

The fact is that tens of millions of blackbirds die every year. How many of those do we, and I mean all of us, actually see? Very, very few. Obviously, its because they're out in rural fields and natural habitats away from people and where their food is abundant. For that reason, when something like this happens, there's a high probability that we humans will never see it, regardless of the cause. It could be much more common for large numbers of birds to be killed by foul weather than we think.

reply to post by vor78
Looking at the freshest threads on ATS, the dead birds are showing up in Texas and Illinois now.

Something doesn't seem quite right with this.

reply to post by butcherguy


Actually, I tend to agree with you, though I have not seen any good evidence linking these events. Still, I live in the general area and it is a bit concerning, but I am not going to get alarmed until I see a common cause linking them and that does not have a viable natural explanation.

reply to post by vor78
Always good to keep on top of things.

One thing I would not worry about would be disease, I have seen nothing that would indicate that the birds expired from any biological agent.

reply to post by crazydaisy


I agree with the magnetic anomaly. New Years Eve we had something strange happen at my house at around 9 to 11 pm. It was either some type of energy field or ghosts. I’m hoping for energy field!

Experts? While it is a possibility when did the scientific method go out the window. Unless this was just the professor's opinion it is false. You can't say it was weather unless you saw other traces of things. For instance if there was a type of grass or soil with the birds that would signify a location. Generally it's not just animals that get tossed around it's all kinds of debris and at the least microbes from the area. It would be nearly a miracle it was only birds. The birds i have seen here in Texas that get thrown are pretty mangled, soaking wet, and not far from a bunch of other debris.

Fish in the ocean being killed by a cold snap? Ask yourself "how long would it take to cool the ocean"? A week of cold weather? So much that the fish became retarded and forgot to dive
Deeper? Absolutely not. It's happened before? Bull sh. It was covering up something else in peak of pollution history.

How many gallons are in that bay? Is the bay completely closed off from the ocean? How long does it take to cool the ocean? Certainly not in a few days. It would take months. A puddle, a small stream, or a small lake maybe not the ocean.

Somebody use the scientific process. How cold can the fish or crabs live in? How long does it take x amounts of water at x degrees to get that cold? What was the temperature at and before the time. Don't forget it's salt water and how deep the water is.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


storm yeah right! what about all these other places? a storm too?
whatever

It wasn't a storm..

it was a CARBON CAPTURE PLANT

And it killed the fish and the birds!

reply to post by macG84


It's near impossible to reason with you people of ATS. It's like you are not capable of fathoming the idea that these events are totally separate and unrelated.

Birds died in Arkansas, coincidently there was a tornado and extreme wind speeds that night.

Birds died in Louisiana, coincidently there was severe weather warnings and winds that night.

Birds died in Kentucky, coincidently there was severe weather warning and winds there as well.

Birds died in Sweden, coincidently there was many inches of snow at the time. Sweden is also having record cold temperatures.

Fish died in Chesapeake Bay where near-record cold temperatures were recorded and the water was colder than normal.

Fish died in Brazil, coincidently just 4 months ago Brazil was having record shattering freezing temperatures that killed many fish.

Fish died in New Zealand, coincidently they just had the worst flooding and rain in 150 years. Floods do kill fish when their water is filled with toxins.

The fish that died in Arkansas just may be from a disease.

Although most of it could all be linked by extreme weather and cold, others may be disease. I don't see why everyone is so quick to link them all together to be the same thing just because they happened around the same time.

Events like these happen all the time, they just normally are not reported and spread around in fear so you only hear one or two reports and not all of them....

reply to post by Movescamp


You totally ignored the idea that cold water from rain, and other areas of the ocean can mix and trap and kill fish who can't escape it.

You need more science in your argument.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Yes it's called "sweet water" I love to fish I know all about it. That was not the reason given
It's actually when too much fresh water is in the ocean. Can you prove that happened? Can you find a single report about it. Nope. Nor one about fertilizer poison. There is also no mention of the degree of Temperature in the bay. You need more science bud. How long does it take for the temperature of ocean to change. Fish go deeper when that happens. You may be right about nz but that's it. It's not a pond it's the ocean. It specifically stated not due to toxins.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


I dare you to find another point in history in one week so many things occured in the world. You will but what happened after and what caused it.

Originally posted by Movescamp
There is also no mention of the degree of Temperature in the bay.

I don't know why I bother replying to people who can't read...

'Very large' fish kill reported in bay. Cold believed cause.

Water temperatures plummeted in late December to near-record lows for that time of year, about 36 degrees.

reply to post by Movescamp


What if it happened and it wasn't so widely reported... then what? It didn't happen?

Stuff happens that doesn't get reported all the time.

Fish and birds are among the most fragile species on our planet. What is happening is it is being reported more so you fearful people are get all panicky about it.

Peking Duck under threat as 80,000 birds die in Chinese storm. - 07-07-2008

25 million fish die in cold spell. - 02-07-2008

It happens...

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


you're joking, right?

they were sitting ducks in that storm.

they were in a poultry farm!

same with the fish.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by macG84

 

It's near impossible to reason with you people of ATS. It's like you are not capable of fathoming the idea that these events are totally separate and unrelated.

Birds died in Arkansas, coincidently there was a tornado and extreme wind speeds that night.

Birds died in Louisiana, coincidently there was severe weather warnings and winds that night.

Birds died in Kentucky, coincidently there was severe weather warning and winds there as well.

Birds died in Sweden, coincidently there was many inches of snow at the time. Sweden is also having record cold temperatures.

Fish died in Chesapeake Bay where near-record cold temperatures were recorded and the water was colder than normal.

Fish died in Brazil, coincidently just 4 months ago Brazil was having record shattering freezing temperatures that killed many fish.

Fish died in New Zealand, coincidently they just had the worst flooding and rain in 150 years. Floods do kill fish when their water is filled with toxins.

The fish that died in Arkansas just may be from a disease.

Although most of it could all be linked by extreme weather and cold, others may be disease. I don't see why everyone is so quick to link them all together to be the same thing just because they happened around the same time.

Events like these happen all the time, they just normally are not reported and spread around in fear so you only hear one or two reports and not all of them....

edit on 5-1-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

Looks like the bird flock was captured on radar. So was the weather.

weblogs.marylandweather.com...




Quoting from the article...

"The loop shows rainstorms moving away to the north and east of the radar. But at a spot about 25 nautical miles northeast of the radar, an unusual reflection appears, expands and moves off to the southeast with the prevailing winds. It's the green blob on the still radar image above.

"Could these returns be birds disturbed from the nightly roosting sites?" Steve asks.

"Given what was on radar...just a few light showers moving NE and examination of surface obs within 30nm of this area showed nothing unusual (no high wind gusts, eg). There were a few positive lightning strikes about 50-55 nautical miles to the SE over Arkansas County around 0430 UTC. Positive lightning strikes carry much more current then negative strikes...and have a much bigger "boom" then negative strikes. Still, they were located 55 miles away...although it would not be entirely impossible other lightning (non-cloud-to-ground) could have occurred.

"But I don't have any data that could show that (i.e., there is no lightning detection network that I know of in that area that would pick up the "total" lightning (e.g., within cloud or cloud-to-air)

"I'd say there is not a meteorological explanation."


The only thing that sort of freaks me out is if the radar return really is the flock of Blackbirds, well, the echo return showing up on the screen shot measures about 7x9 nautical miles in size. That is absolutley gigantic in size for a flock of birds, and it would be a news story in itself showing millions of birds covering such a huge area on the ground during the day. The radar loop shows the flock taking off and moving, so if it really was a few million birds flying around in the night, then 5000 mid-airs seems a reasonable number. What is strange is that I recently read that people haven´t been seeing many redwinged blackbirds in the area as of late.

Of course, if it´s one of David Serada´s famous NASA contrail incident type motherships hanging around cloaked...well, I´ll wait a while before touching that possibility. The flock size needs to be answered first IMO.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


36 degrees in late December on the east coast is not record look it up. Nore is it freezing and it's not going to cool the ocean. Sorry dude. I think fish kills are actually reported. It's something the government checks into. I am a member of the cca for 7 years. Never have
I heard of this. I fish in Galveston. Where after heavy rainstorms fish die. Not because of cold. Especially in an area that gets cold.

Originally posted by Movescamp
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

36 degrees in late December on the east coast is not record look it up.

The source says NEAR-record low. Not just record low. Please do learn to read.

Originally posted by Movescamp
Nore is it freezing and it's not going to cool the ocean.

The Chesapeake Bay was at a NEAR-record low temperature, and it killed the fish. Low temperatures in water are known to kill fish, I already posted several sources that back that up, and you are ignorantly avoiding that fact.

I even posted sources of experts predicting the die-offs of fish because of the low temperatures off the cost of Florida.

Originally posted by Movescamp
Sorry dude. I think fish kills are actually reported. It's something the government checks into.

I was talking about reported on the MEDIA. Not everything is reported in the MEDIA.

I know the government records these, they even said it was normal!

I even posted links saying it is normal, and people even predicted it...

Originally posted by Movescamp
I am a member of the cca for 7 years.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Movescamp
Never have I heard of this. I fish in Galveston. Where after heavy rainstorms fish die. Not because of cold. Especially in an area that gets cold.

Fish are very sensitive to the cold. Fish die because of the cold EVERY YEAR. If you never heard of this, then you must be deaf. I even showed you multiple sources that back this claim up...

Here is some more...

Cold weather hits Thailand; fish die, monkeys suffer. January 17, 2009

Record Cold Kills Thousands of Fish in Florida. Jan 16, 2010

Deep Sea Cold Cited In Fish Kill. August 4, 2004

Cold empties Bolivian rivers of fish. Killing an estimated 6 million fish and thousands of alligators, turtles and river dolphins. 27 August 2010

Along with the above link, the link below explains the multiple reasons fish die in cold water....

ohioline.osu.edu...


1: Cold shock.
2: Cold temperatures increase infection.
3: Cold temperatures reduce the oxygen levels in the water. (more fish means less oxygen too)

Now that I backed up my claims that fish kills with cold weather is normal, why don't you back up your claims with sources?

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Ok first average temp in chesapeake Bay 36 degrees. That is tour record cold.
www.go-maryland.com...

CCA membership How do you suppose i "prove it". I have been fishing in Baytown, Port O'conner and Galveston ever since I have lived in Texas. I also hunt in lampasas.

Two of you articles say "suspected" cold weather.

I am pretty sure the EPA takes bribes.

Most of your articles have witnesses saying "I have never seen anything like this in my life". I guess that's your definition of common.

I know you are a climate change denier but it's real. Weather patterns happen naturally but that doesn't mean we aren't changing them. It doesn't mean that killing off entire species doesn't effect the whole chain. Killing even microbial life has an impact.

I don't believe in carbon tax or the co2 thing. But I do believe the destruction as a whole helps change weather patterns like the gulf oil spill effecting currents.

How are these fish kills normal when the local residents repeatedly say innate never seen anything like this before.

I love how you pick your conspiracies. Like man made climate change is a hoax but the government and media tell the truth about this. It's not normal at all. I am not "freaked". I hunt, fish, track, know how to use snares, and have a purple belt in jiujitsu. If I die I die at least I have skills to survive. In my short 32 years hunting and fishing I have never seen so many strange things as the last 3 years. I spend a lot of time in the woods.

I don't feel the need to prove that to you. I am also a libertarian and believe you have the right to think what you want. I just disagree and your articles are hardly proof for your statements.