Where do the primitive white cultures live?

reply to post by EssenSieMich


The reason you don't see any white primitives is simple. A nation evolves as it grows older. The white nation has evolved simply by killing and watching the other cultures kill themselves. If the Middle East was left for a couple of centuries without war you would see the same kind of evolution from the primitive to the advanced.

So we here like to think that religion is the one that is keeping nations down or their intelligence, that is not the case at all. The white race overpowered the rest of the world. In example, Rome, the Vikings, England, Dutch, France, and etc. All those came to form the so called white race.

If we want the other 'primitive' races to follow we should invite them to this century rather than war with them every so years.

reply to post by Movescamp


Sorry but the race guilt wont wash with me, it was used on the generation before me and they live with a guilt which they don't deserve to, its a joke that is getting a little old now.
White people are not to blame for others living in the conditions that they do, neater is war because some of those places have NEVER been invaded by white people!

reply to post by EssenSieMich


This is a bit silly question, because white race is trying to rid the Earth of tribal culture, but to do that, white race had to rid itself from tribalism.

reply to post by LUXUS


To your saying it is merely contruibted by primitive human behavior, doesn't matter if your rich or poor, black or white, fat or skinny. All share the same human ignorance, hate for differences, hate to different beliefs and. Hate towards genetic diversity.

Why should this species be allowed to continue? If earth dies all life dies, if humans die the earth lives, you see what I'm getting at don't you?

LOL... I'm thinking DELIVERANCE, THE HILLS HAVE EYES, WRONG TURN and THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE movie series.

But, more seriously, I think the OP is pointing out a lack of technological progress of the "primitive" people who inhabit backwater forests and jungles and mountains. Well, if those people are still around, then they weren't at war with "white people." Probably BECAUSE they were so "out of the way." That saved them from being wiped out, assimilated and subjugated.

OR ENSLAVED.

Western folk tended to kill and plunder. Western folk tended to kill or religiously subjugate. Western folk tended to capture and enslave.

If I remember correctly, the caucASIANS originated (at least partly) in /around India. Look at some Indian folks, many of them are lighter in shade and have strikingly WESTERN facial structure (long faces, thin jawline, etc.). Look at the main character (Indian) from the NBC show heroes. If his skin were peachy like "white people," his facial structure would pass for caucasian.

White people / caucasians were most likely an offshoot of what the OP labeled as "primitive" folks. The ancient world is so far different from what we've been told that the official history should be considered fictional. They found Viking-looking mummies in China. They've found (and are finding) skeletal remains of GIANTS and "hobbit-like" primates/sapiens.

In a nutshell analysis, I'd say that this off-shoot race, caucasians, eliminated anyone and everyone around them via war. Being greedy and warlike, they kept "one-upping" each other in weaponry and soon found themselves in a superior technological position on the ancient game board. With some luck, a lot of ambition only outweighed by their greed, they fought, conquered, plundered, raped, pillaged, burned, murdered and enslaved EVERYONE who could not fight them off.

Look at "modern" history. The USA was formed from a concept of Freedom. Yet "we" stole this land, this entire land, from the Native Americans. We killed them in many ways, even employing germ warfare. We got them addicted to fire water and tricked them into signing treaties. We forced them out of here, into the west in a death march known as the trail of tears. We killed, captured, transported and sold Africans as slaves. And further, not only did we bring Africans here as slaves, but we (some few truly hateful of us "we") hated them for being here. We shot, stabbed, raped, blew-up, beat-up and hung them for wanted to be part of the society that brought them here in the first place. We then find reasons to kill people based on race, as in WWII Europe, --remember that episode? End of that snapshot montage.

With that being pointed out, are we really more advanced than what the OP called "primitive?" They have all they need, have all they want, are happy in Nature, are happy in balance with the world. They haven't polluted and contaminated *their* world. Advanced? Us? WE have destroyed the environment, mainly from stupidity, lack of wisdom and insight --and out of careless GREED.

I do hope that WE are not the more advanced race that discovers a technologically inferior species of humanoids (or whatever) on another planet. WE have shown what WE do to people (beings) less advanced than ourselves. WE (advanced white people) would kill them for treasure, for gold, for diamonds. WE would torture, abuse, beat and enslave them. We would rape them. We would enslave them...

...IF we stick to the same playbook used over the last 2,000+ years of "advanced white people."

However, I hope we've learned from our mistakes. Maybe we needed to make those mistakes so that we would know never to commit such atrocities again. If so, then one day we might have contact with advanced civilizations probably keeping a close eye upon all of us on this planet, regardless of color.

reply to post by LUXUS


Race guilt? Oh is that a Klan code or something. I actually have not mentioned race at all. But apparently it's on your mind. Tribalism occurs in every race. The Roma, Kurds, Afghanistan, Iran, Turky, France, Poland in the karpacian(sp) mountains are "white". I was arguing you have no frame of reference for the arguments you are making. Nor did i once mention white people are the cause of every invasion. Do me a favor name one of the places on your master race iq list that has never been invaded by a dominant culture. I never mentioned race but the facts are the facts and pleading ignorance is an excuse I would be happy to show you how the IMF did bussiness before recently all with facts. On another thread. You can put your head in the sand all you want but it doesn't change history.

Here is another thing skin color has very little to do with anything except habitat evolution. I am positive by your statement you know very little about genetics or neuroscience (which is the basis of what you are trying to talk about). Racism exists, has existed (the Chinese invented or at least were the first to judge on paper strictly by skin color, about the same time as India Aryan/Dravidian). Usually bigotry is based on religion, or region historically but by skin color alone is special.

White skin came from living in places with more cloud cover or darkness to get more vitamin d in your body. Most of us migrated and mingled from India to England with all kinds of tones of skin color.

reply to post by Movescamp


Hmmm, let me see now....yes that's right we started talking about race when you said I was RACEist and when you said by looking at the IQ list we know who has been subjecting the others i.e. the ones at the top.

reply to post by EssenSieMich


dont forget the Amish. if that is good enough for you.

I agree with Luxus. People have been brainwashed to be anti-white, and the media and government pushes it. Like this Huck Finn crap, it's another PC attack on whites. Is ROOTS by Alex Haley going to have it's "n-words" removed too? I doubt it, just ole Huck, and why? Cuz he's a honky. Just because in world history, whites were generally high on the IQ level, and perhaps a bit more ambitious and industrious, is no reason to be anti-white. This is the new scheme of liberal world neo-socialism. It's not class anymore, it's race. If you can't get or have what some have, you tear it down.

Ouch! Lots of really bad Anthropology (and outright racism!) being thrown around in this topic

If your looking for "stone age" or whatever Whites, then you can probably consider some isolated tribes in Afghanistan and western Iran. These groups would be considered "white" if you met them walking down the street in any American city or town and they live as ancient tribal cultures. The Kalash of Afghanistan are one tribe that might be considered "white" by some outsiders.

Certain isolated groups in North Africa, especially around the Atlas Mountains of Morocco, are also arguably "White" and "tribal" but this is a matter of dispute amongst people who try to classify human racial groups. Like some Afganis, some of these people could easily pass as White Americans if they shaved their beards and donned Western attire.

Now these isolated tribes are only white in the sense that they look European, if you want tribal groups who are European you need to look further west.

The Sami people of northern European live mostly as their ancient ancestors did and aside from some minor Asiatic genetics they are pretty much fully white (most are Nordic looking). This groups is probably what the OP is looking for.

The Basque's of northern Spain and southern France have been indigenous to their homeland for many thousands of years but they are completely assimilated into modern European society.

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Now going back 50-100 years, certain white ethnic groups lived the ancient ways of their ancestors in mainly clan/tribal settings. These groups include:

-Albanians
-Chechens and other North Caucasians
-Rural Sicilians
-Rural Greeks
-Greek Cretans
-Greek Cypriots

Going back 150-200 years you could probably include some of the Irish and Scots.

The famous Anthropologist Carleton Coon studied some of the above groups in the 1930s, he called them the "wild Whites" because they shared certain characteristics like clan-based family structures, hostility to outsiders and they waged vendetta/feuds against other families. In fact you can still find these traits in the modern descendants of the above peoples, the Sicilian Mafia for example grew out of the ancient Sicilian tradition of "vendetta" in which families would wage low-level wars against each other for sometimes generations.

reply to post by LUXUS


"Also there are massive differences in races, not genetically but terms of IQ e.g. the average (yes I stated "average" Japanese has an IQ of 105 whilst the average person in Equatorial Guina has an IQ of 59, almost half the intelligence of a Japanese person.

Lookup a chart for country's and IQ and you will find that those with the highest IQ are most technologically advanced whilst those with the lowest IQ are most primitive....yes I know some wont like this but my job is not to make you feel comfortable, rather to say it as I see it. "

Right. That's your quote I don't know how to do the fancy thing from my iPhone that shows it you.
First off totally racist you should be proud of it if that's how strongly you feel. How is in not racist?
IQ test does not show intelligence. It has nothing to do with intellectual superiority. It's about as useful as a TAK test. I propose another test. A mirror in a maze with a rock and a screw driver. At themother end of the
Maze is a bear. There are two people a computer scientist and and a man from Ghana. Now if the computer scientist doesn't understand how to hunt how can he kill the bear. His superior intelligence? Or will he just get nervous and get eaten. The other man may figure out how to use the components to his advantage
To kill the bear. Why?'cause he is superiorly intillgent or because it's something he may have
Done before? When they tested these people in the third world were they used to taking written exams? Did they alter the tests to figure out how to test them based on things they understand? Probably not. They probably just translated the language. You are short sighted my friend.

White guilt?'anti white ? Come on people. Is the buck Finn thing stupid yes. Artists and anyone should be able to express themselves. The should also not be afraid to admit their bias. I hate going
To japan. I don't hate Japanese people or culture. Hell I practice jiujitsu. Are we too sensitive yes. Are things
To politically correct yes. But it doesn't change history.

Britian, Holland, Potugal, Spain, Denmark, and France conquered and
Enslaved most of the world literally. Some places did better than others when the
Recovered mostly due to fate or similarities with European ideas. Don't act like you have no idea where it came
From. When were anti lynching laws passed in the US? South Africa? Australia?

Guilt is a useless emotion but it doesnt mean you shouldn't
Recognize injustices and how things came to be the way they are.

How is an IQ test even relevant to this topic?

How is an IQ test relevant to genetics?

Canada has an average IQ of around 100. We have a fairly diverse population. There is NO NOTICEABLE IQ DIFFERENCES AMONGST 2ND GENERATION CANADIANS OF ANY RACE. Get it?

IQ will only show you how your education relates to western educational standards. It does not determine intelligence. It can not, and should not, be used to gauge educational standards around the world.

They are trying to modernize the IQ tests to make them more global, but realistically I don't think that will ever happen. We are just to diverse of a people (humanity).

Originally posted by davespanners
Ok I will attempt a serious answer.


White skin pigment is associated with colder countries. When you live in a colder country you have more need to make things and make yourself more "advanced" then if you live somewhere hot and fruitful.

The three basic things people need to live are food shelter and water.
Lets say you live in the Brazilian rain forest, your primary need for food can be sourced entirely from things that grow naturally around you without and need for you to learn cultivate things, your need for shelter is extremely basic as it is hot most of the time.
Now lets picture a primitive man in a cold climate, he can not survive just by picking things from trees as for a great deal of the year more or less nothing grows, he can't live in a basic shelter as he will freeze to death, so he learns to harvest food / farm and make more complex shelters.

The reason that you cant live as a completely primitive person in a cold country is that you die.

Note for all instances of he please read he / she

edit on 4-1-2011 by davespanners because: (no reason given)

Nice try... I guess... if it wasn't somewhat racist in tone. But you're wrong...

A simple studying of human biology/anthropology will tell you that skin pigment (i.e. melanin) increases in humans closest to the equator and decreases in those furthest from the equator. It's just another simple matter of natural selection- the suns rays can destroy/mutate DNA and, more importantly, sex cells (like sperm/eggs). Melanin naturally PROTECTS your body from the sun's rays, so the more you have, the less prone you are to mutations from the sun. Darker people are better suited to equatorial living because the suns rays do not render their sex cells sterile or excessively mutated, while those who live further from the equator do not require this extra protection to protect their sex cells (and therefore their ability to successfully reproduce and bear offspring that can ALSO reproduce just as well).

reply to post by EssenSieMich


As for the whole tribal and/or indigenous Europeans thing... of course they exist- there are gypsies/Roma, the Sami people (of Nordic countries), the Komi people, the Basque people, and others.

An interesting story: www.time.com...

There were also Celts, Germanic tribes, Slavic tribes, Mediterranean tribes, you name it. Keep in mind, many tribes existed until very recently (in relative history) and were wiped out (as many other tribes around the world have) by civilization. Since 10,000 years ago, our modern civilization rose in the Fertile Crescent and essentially became a disease to humanity and the planet (despite its technological/scientific achievements), one of its fundamental tenets was to exterminate, assimilate, or cordon off all other cultures (namely band/tribal cultures) and conquest was key to this.

We are ALL descended from tribal roots, and those roots have been cut in the most violent ways. It's my conviction that we've evolved to live in relatively egalitarian, localized, tightly-knit, cooperative tribes in the wilderness... and that we're suffering in many ways for abandoning that; ways most people can't quite put their finger on because we're raised within modern civilization and are unconsciously taught to accept it fully without question and to call everything else "primitive" when in many ways other cultures are actually just DIFFERENT or even SUPERIOR for humans and the environment.

Some great Daniel Quinn quotes on tribalism:

"In our cultural mythology we see ourselves as having left tribalism behind the way modern medicine left the leech and the bleeding bowl behind, and we did so decisively and irrevocably. This is why it's so difficult for us to acknowledge that tribalism is not only the preeminently human social organization, it's also the only unequivocally successful social organization in human history. Thus, when even so wise and thoughtful a statesman as Mikhail Gorbachev calls for "a new beginning" and "a new civilization," he doesn't doubt for a single moment that the pattern for it lies in the social organization that has introduced humanity to oppression, injustice, poverty, chronic famine, incessant violence, genocide, global warfare, crime, corruption, and wholesale environmental destruction. To consult, in our time of deepest crisis, with the unqualified success that humanity enjoyed here for more than three million years is quite simply and utterly unthinkable."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"We're not strangers in a strange land here. This is the secret I learned. We're not aliens, not outsiders. We were born in the sea, three billion years ago. The deer and the beetle are our kin. We're not invaders from space. No one gave us this planet to take care of or to use as we please. We grew out of the community of life the same way shellfish did, the same way mosquitoes did."
- Daniel Quinn, Providence


"Wherever civilization emerges, tribalism withers and is replaced by hierarchalism. Hierarchalism works very well for the rulers but much less well for the ruled, who make up the mass of the society. For this reason, the few at the top like it very well and the masses at the bottom like it very much less well."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"During our three or four million years on this planet it can hardly be doubted that thousands of cultural experiments have been made among humans. The successes have survived--and the failures have disappeared, for the simple reason that eventually there was no one around who wanted to perpetuate them. People will (ordinarily) put up with being miserable for only so long. It's not the quitters who are extraordinary and mysterious, it's we, who have somehow managed to persuade ourselves that we must persist in our misery whatever the cost and not abandon it even in the face of calamity."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Crimes are what the state defines as crimes. Trespassing is a crime, but interrupting is not, and we therefore have two entirely different ways of handling them--which people in tribal societies do not. Whatever the trouble is, whether it's bad manners or murder, they handle it themselves, the way you handle the interrupter. Evoking the power of the state isn't an option for them, because they have no state. In tribal societies, crime simply doesn't exist as a separate category of human behavior."
- Daniel Quinn, The Story of B


"What people (aside from rulers) don't like about hierarchal societies is that they don't exist for all their members in the same way. They provide a life of unbelievable luxury and ease for the rulers and a life of poverty and toil for everyone else. The way rulers benefit from the success of the society is vastly different from the way the masses benefit, and the pyramids and the temples testify to the importance of the rulers, not to the masses who build them. And so it goes, through every phase of life in a hierarchal society."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"The people of your culture imagine that the treasury was completely empty when you came along and began to build civilization ten thousand years ago. You imagine that the first three million years of human life brought nothing of value to the store of human knowledge but fire and stone tools. In fact, however, you began by emptying the treasury of its most precious elements. You wanted to start with nothing and invent it all, and you did. Unfortunately, aside from the products (which work very well), you've been able to invent very little that works well--for people."
- Daniel Quinn, My Ishmael


"'Your task is not to reach back but to reach forward.'
'But to what? We can't just walk away from our civilization the way the Hohokam did.'
'That's certainly true. The Hohokam had another way of life waiting for them, but you must be inventive--if it's worthwhile to you. If you care to survive." He gave me a dull stare. You're an inventive people, aren't you? You pride yourselves on that, don't you?'
'Yes.'
'Then invent.'"
- Daniel Quinn, Ishmael


"What I've endeavored to say in all my books is that the flaw in our civilization isn't in the people, it's in the system. It's true that the system has been clanking along for ten thousand years, which is a long time in the time-scale of an individual life, but when viewed in the time-scale of human history, this episode isn't remarkable for its epic length but for its tragic brevity."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Tribal life is not perfect, idyllic, noble, or wonderful, but wherever it's found intact, it's found to be working well--as well as the life of lizards, raccoons, geese, or beetles--with the result that the members of the tribe are not generally enraged, rebellious, desperate, stressed-out borderline psychotics being torn apart by crime, hatred, and violence."
-Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Our history is full of underclass insurrections, revolts, rebellions, riots, and revolutions, but not a single one has ever ended with people just walking away. This is because our citizens know that civilization must continue at any cost and not be abandoned under any circumstance. So they will go berserk, will destroy everything in sight, will slaughter all the elite they can get their hands on, will burn, rape, and pillage--but they will never just walk away.
This is why the behavior of the Maya, the Olmec, and the rest is so unfathomably mysterious to our historians. For them, it seems self-evident that civilization must continue at any cost and never be abandoned under any circumstance."
-Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Of course when the people of your culture look at tribal peoples, they don't see wealth of any kind, they see poverty. This is understandable, since the only kind of wealth they recognize is the kind that can be locked up, and tribal peoples are not much interested in that kind."
- Daniel Quinn, My Ishmael

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reply to post by Turiddu


I tried but got lost in the argument and trying to explain looking at and defining culture. I should have taken your approach. Thank you.

reply to post by Movescamp


I still stand by what I said as a FACT, if you get that list and go from top to bottom you will generally find a decrease in technology and that is so!

Secondly some races are better at inventing and technology then others and that is a fact.

California >Hollywood>

Scientology>Bohemian grove

Originally posted by Nyiah
The primitive peoples of Florida are a sight to behold. And I'm not talking about Native American tribes. These primitive people are called "Rednecks". Or more formally, "Floridians." These folks are often found in Walmarts, or at ritual communal gatherings in their dwellings, surrounding an event called "NASCAR". Some of these primitives hold events called "Swamp Racing", which is held in high regard in some areas.

I live in Florida. I have to poke fun to keep my sanity

Heck, while we're at it, here's a map for those who would like to see the primitive peoples of this particular Deep South state. The habitat lines are defined relatively clearly.
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OMG the funniest thing I have seen in a long time, thanks so much from a fellow Floridian. I am up in that redneck zone unfortunately!!! Most of the snowbirds keep driving past the swampers. Sometimes called crackers. Please do not forget the ritual gatherings of gators or noles. Sight to behold indeed!
You made my week!