Falling birds likely died from massive trauma

From msn,Dr. George Badley, the state's top veterinarian, told NBC News that the birds died in midair, not on impact with the ground.

That evidence, and the fact that the blackbirds fly in close flocks, suggests they suffered some massive midair collision, he added. That lends weight to conclusion that they were startled by something.
Massive midair collision,what in the heck could the birds fly into?

The MSM are saying that the birds flew into each other (as the mid-air collision). I don't buy it. 5000 birds flying into each other wouldn't cause the massive trauma.

On a lighter note, my husband's theory is that the Justice League is getting back together. Wonder Woman's invisible jet ran into the birds. And Aqua Man caused the fish kill when he super-sonically flew out of the water.

Originally posted by jasmine23
Massive midair collision,what in the heck could the birds fly into?

Think like tesla would of done to that question and you may get your answer. How would tesla have answered your question?

Cough cough roads lead to a tesla idea.

reply to post by butcherguy


I see the idea you put forward, but I was lead to believe from the tone and structure of the reports from the investigating body , that the birds died midflight from some concussive blunt force trauma, and then plummeted to the ground having been killed whilst aloft.
Of course a sufficiently detailed examination of the corpses would offer more solidarity to this line of reasoning, but until that has been completed and the full results remarked upon by the investigation team we must rely on what we know.
Now it has been reported that some of the birds collided with houses and other solid upright structures. But that does not account for those birds which fell some way from any free standing structure or protrusion from the ground, which again leads us to the conclusion that the lethal blunt force trauma alluded to in the latest reports from the investigating body, happened whilst the birds where airborne rather than being merely attained in the fall from the sky.
I would have thought that if radar or any form of direct energy damage had been sustained by the animals, that the investigating officials would soon have detected it , because normaly speaking one would associate tell tales within or on the body , such as burns and so forth with such a thing.
Furthermore, forensicaly speaking there are marked differences between the state of a body which has died from a trauma, and a body which has suffered one after death. If some machination of directed radar had killed the birds, then the blunt force trauma (which the investigators seem to believe was not the result of the fall of the birds) would have created marginaly different damage, and the bleeding of the internal organs would have proceeded in a different fashion. In short if the birds had aquired the blunt force injuries they sustained after thier deaths, the bruising and damage to tissue would have made that clear.
The mystery seems to lie in the fact that it was the blunt force trauma which killed them, and that it did so whilst they were in the air.
It is as if some giant had cast a huge handful of rocks into the air to harry the birds, and instead by lucky chance struck them from the sky without missing a single one !

Originally posted by jasmine23
From msn,Dr. George Badley, the state's top veterinarian, told NBC News that the birds died in midair, not on impact with the ground.

That evidence, and the fact that the blackbirds fly in close flocks, suggests they suffered some massive midair collision, he added. That lends weight to conclusion that they were startled by something.
Massive midair collision,what in the heck could the birds fly into?

That's why I was thinking of a massive aerial vehicle. Any known airplane would have crashed in such an event, and there are no reports to this effect. Hence, a bona fide UFO.

In TN we are seeing massive amounts of blackbirds not just in swarms but doing weird giant swirling motions in the air. So many birds it actually darken parts of the sky/ They look confused as to who's leading and which direction to go.

p.s. The news also said they found one dead duck mixed in with the other thousands of dead.

as conspiracy theorys go this is a good one
first we have the murder of a man in the military industrial complex who specialises in bio warfare who was about to wistle blow about the us stockpile of weaponds
then you have birds and fish dying by the thousand
i wounder what this guy was about to say that required a brutal murder and being dumped at the tip

Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) states that one of the United States top experts in biological and chemical weapons was brutally murdered after he threatened to expose a US military test of poison gas that killed hundreds of thousands of animals in Arkansas this past week.

why is it before WMDS can be exposed the top scientists always die?
i mean swine flu = lots of dead flu scientists
nuclear bombs iraq = two dead nuclear scientists
bio weaponds wistle blower = dead DOD contractor and thousands of birds

me thinks these two stories are linked

link to exterior content

i wounder if dangerous chemical weaponds really are being flown to afganistain and if so is that why this guy was killed

not sure how creadable the info is so pinch of salt
hope someone else can add more to this post

xploder

I posted this link in another thread, not sure if it's already been posted in this one, but it's quite interesting. Quoting from other thread:
Here is a PDF file explaining a government program to reduce starling and blackbird population using a "wetting" agent to kill the birds: www.aphis.usda.gov...

I don't know if there is a connection, but it seems to be targeting the same two varieties of bird.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

I have to go with hailstones, until more data comes in that defines a more probable cause than that.

If hailstorm was responsible shouldn't parts of the hail be found along the side with dead birds?


and another thing that area was fine with weather, i checked the place where the birds fallen down with the weather network, new years day was fine with overcast.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
If hailstorm was responsible shouldn't parts of the hail be found along the side with dead birds?

and another thing that area was fine with weather, i checked the place where the birds fallen down with the weather network, new years day was fine with overcast.

Overcast is not "fine" and does more to support the claim in my source that:

www.sott.net...

Violent weather rumbled over much of the state Friday, including a tornado that killed three people in Cincinnati, Ark.

I used to watch storms and I saw funnel clouds forming where they never touched the ground so it never developed into a ground-based tornado, but I imagine there were some pretty high winds in the funnel cloud. I agree with folks who say that birds just flying into each other probably won't kill them under ordinary circumstances, but here's another theory:

If the birds were accelerated by a funnel cloud and then ejected from it at high speed into some other birds that hadn't yet entered the funnel cloud, this might be more likely to kill them than just flying into each other on their own. And something like this seems more likely than the birds flying into a massive object. I just can't think of an object that could do this, but other birds are objects and funnel clouds could have some fairly high wind speeds.

Regarding hail on the ground, you said you checked the weather, was it warm enough to melt hail? I'm having trouble finding detailed weather records online without paying for them. I tried this site but it says "Latest data available: Dec 29, 2010." www.almanac.com...

Another site has detailed data but I have to pay for it. Maybe in a few days that site will update past Dec 29th?

reply to post by TrueBrit
Very good answer. A star for it, especially this.

If some machination of directed radar had killed the birds, then the blunt force trauma (which the investigators seem to believe was not the result of the fall of the birds) would have created marginaly different damage, and the bleeding of the internal organs would have proceeded in a different fashion. In short if the birds had aquired the blunt force injuries they sustained after thier deaths, the bruising and damage to tissue would have made that clear.

I just threw the radar theory out there to be mulled over, and what has resulted (the discussion) has made radar seem unlikely.



ETA: I also think that violent weather is also an unlikely explanation.
Expert: Storm likely killed thousands... another thread.

My theory for what is going on is that this was a small scale dry run for a staged "end of world" event the government has planned for 2012... but the 2012 event will be much larger.

I think our government has some kind of kinetic weapon that was used on 9-11 on a very small scale to bring down the WTC buldings as a build up to this larger event - 2012.

reply to post by 8311-XHT


Kinetic weapon? I wonder what method you propose could cause a blunt force trauma injury without any evidence of a physical object (bar the presence of the injuries) on the body? Surely the weapon would have to draw thoroughly obscene levels of energy in order to reproduce the effect of blunt force trauma, without any evidence of an actual projectile being involved?
Kinetic merely means the energy of movement. Answers. com has the definition in slightly more precise terms:


n.
The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one half the mass of the body times the square of its speed.


Read more: www.answers.com...

The key words in this particular definition, aside from the equation used to calculate an objects kinetic energy, are "The energy possessed by a body because of its motion " . In order to have kinetic energy, there must by the very definition of the term, be a body or object for that energy to be concentrated in. Surely, there are myriad methods to give a body kinetic energy, including powder charges, lazer propulsion, magnetic rail launching (although this method is somewhat limited,but can produce prodigious results) but key to the idea of kinetic energy itself is having a body for that energy to be centred around. Without it, the energy cannot be discharged. Launching nothing from any of these platforms will result in precisely nothing! Therefore I am puzzled as to what you mean by kinetic energy weapon, for I believe you may be using incorrect terminology to express what you mean. All kinetic energy weapons involve a chargeless object , often a rod , or spear, or mere lead slug, propelled with the intent of delivering maximum kinetic energy to a small point, and using that energy, rather than explosives to do the damage to the target. I fail entirely to see how such a thing can be responsible for this mass of bird deaths, unless you mean something else by what you say.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
and another thing that area was fine with weather, i checked the place where the birds fallen down with the weather network, new years day was fine with overcast.

The birds started falling on December 31st so you need to take that into account:

Intense Lightning in Area of Beebe Bird Deaths

A storm with strong lightning strikes moved through the area of Beebe, Ark., Friday, shortly before birds were reported falling from the sky.

The Arkansas Game and Fish Commission began receiving reports of dead black birds falling from the sky at approximately 11:30 p.m. CDT, according to a press release.

"There was lightning in the area between 9:19 and 9:30 p.m. CDT," said AccuWeather.com Information Manager, Henry Margusity. "A couple of strokes had between 380,000 and 540,000 amps."

I don't know if weather was a cause or a contributing factor, but I wouldn't rule it out. It seems at least as likely if not more likely than any other possible cause I've heard.

And lighting/thunder has something in common with a supersonic shockwave:

en.wikipedia.org...

...thunder must begin with a shock wave in the air due to the sudden thermal expansion of the plasma in the lightning channel....The outward-moving pulse that results is a shock wave, similar in principle to the shock wave formed by an explosion, or at the front of a supersonic aircraft.

So if a supersonic shock wave can cause trauma injuries (yet to be shown to me but I can't rule it out) perhaps it came from lightning and not an aircraft?

Also the NWHC said analysis of the birds would take about a week, so maybe they will show a cause next week here:

www.nwhc.usgs.gov...

It still says "open" and I expect it to be changed to "Trauma" but then we still may not know exactly what caused the trauma.

reply to post by TrueBrit

Surely, there are myriad methods to give a body kinetic energy

Just throwing one more method on your list. Sound. In WWII the Germans experimented with sound cannons as weapons.
German Sound Cannons

I am not suggesting that something like this was involved with the bird deaths. But it would be interesting if a weapon was designed using sound waves which are outside of the range of human hearing.

reply to post by buddhasystem


The first clue to the deaths is the one, single reason NOT being mentioned...

METHANE GAS

Ever heard of the Canary in the Coal Mine?

Escaping methane gas is the only reason that is believable given the wide geographic yet linear causes of the die offs. Any trauma or similar excuse is just that: obfuscation and distraction.

reply to post by EdWard54


It has been mentioned by myself and several others countless times through out this thread. This is what I think the cause of this is... The fish that died were all bottom feeders....

reply to post by Resurrectio

The fish that died were all bottom feeders....

Shouldn't there have been a lot of deaths in Washington DC associated with this event then?

Ok, so I've pretty much read what everyone thinks of the birds dying in Arkansas. There is one detail I've not seen addressed in this thread at all:

The birds in Arkansas were spread out over a 1 mile area.

Methane spread out over a 1 mile HUMAN-POPULATED area and it only kills blackbirds?

Microwaves spread over a 1 mile area?

Sonic Booms over a 1 mile area?

An object, mid-air, as big as 1 mile?

Fragile birds hitting an object and then capabile of flying on for 1 mile?


I wanna see these theories take the distance into consideration.

This is why I say they were dropped from an airplane, carpet-bomb style, already dead.

- mike

reply to post by subversivemike


How high up would these birds normally be flying?