Bob Lazar seems to confirm Zecharia Sitchin

I did not read all the posts above but what I think is that firstly Lazar IS a fraud.

Secondly these "Grays" are known to be hostile towards us, though we have interbred with aliens in our distant past we know that the aliens we interbred with were very tall (described as giants) white skinned, red or blond hair and blue or green eyes. Clearly Grays don't fit the profile and are probably genetically incompatible with humans.

If you were really primitive the grays would present themselves as gods but they know that wont work so now they say that they made us instead so we will think of them as our creators. Humans are mammals and our genetics are incomparable with reptilian or insectoid species. The aliens that bread with us were also mammals and probably look much like us except a bit taller.

I think I would be more interested if Bob Lazar made a 45 minute video about running a brothel.

Originally posted by semaphore
I think I would be more interested if Bob Lazar made a 45 minute video about running a brothel.

Dude,

given that his history with the Greys, God knows what was happening behind the curtains

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It is said that all aliens left in 1979 to watch us from above and to see how we do without any intervention. Idk, just what i heard from somewhere.

Just gotta say I am lovin how a thread about Sitchin / Lazar becomes (yet another) physics / pseudo-physics wank-fest.

Queue the Mc D's theme music cause I'm loving it!

ba dah bamp bamp baaah!


Seriously though I never have seen a whole lot of weight to Lazar's claims. I like Sitchin(r.i.p.)'s work, but I can't commit to it due to some rather large gaps in his translations, and the pestering question of if he should even be considered qualified to make translations in the first place.

Where is Byrd to chime in on Sitchin? Now that used to be real fun back in the day on here, Byrd had a passion for taking "Sitchin-ites" to task.

Noticed Gazrok commented on here in the usual mellow and even handed manner, even though no doubt lazar is one (and sitchin too I suppose) that has been reviewed again and again by Gaz over time(and many of us).

Patience of a saint Gazrok, truly.

Anyway, as you were, gents!

X

LDrognfire? Can't wait to read the thread. (Did'nt read it yet) I'm familier with the material. Looking forward to the responces.

Nice presentation on opening thread. Almost like eye candy between reading through some of the headlines here.
I know what I want to read,based on your opening statement and source.


Thanks ...Gold Star and Flag.

(My gold stars are worth more cash value then flags here..See bobbing heads section for "sale of bobbing head of owners") Soon at every Area 51 Gift Shop or Stuckey's near YOU!

I banned?

Originally posted by Xatnys
Just gotta say I am lovin how a thread about Sitchin / Lazar becomes (yet another) physics / pseudo-physics wank-fest.

Queue the Mc D's theme music cause I'm loving it

ba dah bamp bamp baaah!

I didn't expect the thread to go off into the techno side of the story. I also didn't expect to get as many posts and opinions, but Im sure glad it did, there is some very good info in this thread and I thank the members that have taken the time and there expertise to share with us here.

My reason for the thread was both Lazar and Sitchin claims/claimed that aliens altered humans genetically. Sitchin also explained that the Anunaki left but said they would return. Lazar claims they have left in 1979 and would return. Perhaps this is a common theme regarding aliens that visit Earth, they show up and interact with us then leave stating when they would return, in Lazars case they would return in 1623 only 4 out of 6 date numbers were given so it's impossible to figure out the date. And of course Sitchin said they left to return in 2012.

Seriously though I never have seen a whole lot of weight to Lazar's claims. I like Sitchin(r.i.p.)'s work, but I can't commit to it due to some rather large gaps in his translations, and the pestering question of if he should even be considered qualified to make translations in the first place.

I feel anyone and I mean Anyone that teaches anything about a possible alien influence in our creation or evolution will be a target for propaganda campaigns by the powers that be starting with religion. If religion is against it so will the governments, if the governments are against it so will the corporations, if the corporations are against it so will the media, and then us sheep.

Where is Byrd to chime in on Sitchin? Now that used to be real fun back in the day on here, Byrd had a passion for taking "Sitchin-ites" to task.

Byrd has also taken me to task as well, on several threads, Byrd's knowledge of mainstream topics is vast and well thought out. My only issue is the mainstream part. I don't think mainstream tells the truth or the whole story and some stories aren't told at all. The problem I see with our histories is the winners write the history texts and religions destroy or hide away anything that might go against its teachings.

We are taught that 10,000 years ago we were nothing but cavemen. Does any one still believe this?

buddhasystem thanks for the input, but really after your initial post, did you really argue this whole time without even watching the whole video?

Originally posted by buddhasystem
I watched parts of the video and it's highly purified example of pseudo-scientific garbage.

Listen at your own risk.

You put several post into this thread, and you didn't follow the first rule of science.....observation. This lessened your credibility in this thread IMO.

Condemned0625 It is a pure pleasure to have some one with your obvious talents posting here on ATS

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I completely agree with this post. He even stressed that this was allegedly and the sort about the aliens. The files shown to the scientist could have all been different disinfo in case they wanted to catch whistle blowers and the dude could still be alive because he is a super genius that builds rocket cars, a particle accelerator and vehicles that run on water. Maybe he is too valuable to kill or to shut up.

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Thankyou very much for backing everyone else up not including myself.

I notice his reply to mine was exactly the same but using "collissions" without realising the collapse & expansion of spin ratios to create energy.

HADES

Originally posted by Condemned0625
I invite maxwellsdemon and anyone else to read this thread and notice the inconsistencies in buddhasystem's arguments and oppositions concerning a video demonstration of a hydrogen powered truck, as well as others who state that they have constructed hydrogen fuel systems for their motorcycles, which you can find proven demonstrations of all over the internet and in person if you know where to find them. It works, you get plenty of energy from it, it's cleaner, safer, probably cheaper and... Oh... Did I mention it works?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Indeed, this is a typical thread, one of many, where there are claims that somebody produced energy out of nothing. If there is any inconsistency in any of my posts there, be my guest. In short, if you split the water molecule and then recombine it, there won't be any net energy gain. You can split a dollar in 4 quarters but when recombined, they won't give you $1.19.

As to the claim that "but see, it all works", please see the thread. It doesn't work.

Chava Energy was present on August 21 to validate the technology. However, it turned out that the claimed technology was not in a condition to be tested during the visit and the Inventor Fred Wells was not present either, only his business partner. Therefore, none of the claims could be validated and Chava Energy generously offered to conduct a test in the future once the system is running reliably.

Well how damn convenient! Exactly when they had teh chance to show to qualified people that the thing is real, (a) the chief "inventor" went missing (b) the technology "was not in condition".

buddhasystem = Pure abhorrence.

King of arguments, as always.

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Oh, wow! Because the technology wasn't finished or wasn't in proper condition and because the inventor wasn't present, you automatically dismiss it. What a bull**** excuse.

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It seems to me that the people that come on these types of threads to either poke and prod for argument, or to share their concern's for us being sheer arrogant and nonsense kind of people, they miss the big picture of the over all attempt's to reach a common goal of answer's to question's of such topics.
I personally don't think that Bob knew Zacharia, but in a nutshell they would be. Bob for his involvement with reverse engineering and Zacharia for his intuitive nature towards the ancient alien theories, which do seem to over lap to one in the same goals "To give the general public possibilities of knowledge of the extraordinary possibilities of these fringe science analogies and theories a credible and tangible but feasible consideration for 'ALL' walks of life."
I am rather a "Self-starter" when it comes to thing's I don't know. I will either research the topic or , by means of higher enlightened person of the fields of study which I am looking for. I like doing things by myself as far as working out and learning answers to the problems that come up, Then we have this forum with the naysayers, because they cannot fathom the fact that there may be some truth to these types of topics and they also seem to have it all figured out before they walk through the proverbial door. It becomes nothing short of sheer self absorbed analytical indulgence to argue their point as being factual, irrefutable and both morally and decisively correct, no matter what has been brought to the table by way of topical "Conversation" or "Discussion" for there to be any other answer but their own because they "Heard it" or "Learned it" from so and so.
Since Bob has came out with his testimonies of what was going on at Area 51, I have been aware of his presence and what his intentions were as a sincere and concerned public official that thought the general public was being duped by way of "Unseen tax dollars" and "Secret Opp's" programs that did nothing more than elevate the Governments military agendas for higher costs of technology and impact of future weapons capabilities. I, for one, think his story should be viewed as having some merit. After all, we already know that the Government is slowly bleeding away his credibility by all the dis-info and record shredding, it has happened before to other individuals, and it could surely happen to anyone of us, provided we are in the same circumstances.
Zacharia Sitchin on the other hand was just introduced to me by my nephew about 6-7 months ago. I had read Graham Hancock and Von Deniken(SP?) long before the intro to Sitchin, so my interest was there before the whole introduction thing. Now, the thing that got me with the Sitchin analogies is that it is and has answered some very difficult question's I had for myself as an individual of higher thinking and enlightenment of such topics.
Without people like these individuals to bend the proverbial acceptance curve, that would leave me to feel as if I was the only one with these kind of pondering s for self improvement. Mr. Sitchin is a very 'New World' scientific thinker in my honest opinion, and even though there are those that roll their eye's to his theories and conviction's of the implication's he has brought to the table for 'Open' discussion, I may add, it puts a whole new light on the the subject of who we are in the vastness of our Universe and where we could 'Possibly' stand in the scheme of thing's.
There is literally hundreds and hundreds of resources that Sitchin had to dig up to come to his conclusions for these arguments, not too mention the decades of dedication it took to place all these things together, which he did very well if I may add. Sitchin was on too something and he knew it, he knew it was going to be controversial and possibly a career killer, but as our societal acceptances to such things as religion and cultists groups, he hit the main vein with sure impact that affected millions of people from around the world. And if anything at all by way of christian or religious groups, he brings a higher enlightened view of the implications of the Bible being a 'Historical' and 'Factual' occurrences/events that was translated and handed down through our generation's from the original epic events that brought us here, to this point of existence.I know he isn't the first person to promote this idea of Ancient Alien theory, but he sure has spear headed the attempt to get these notions and translations of events into a new and intrinsic light of out of the box thinking for us all, even the religious that are fare enough to give it consideration and possibly accept it as an attempt to explain the always elusive question of "Where did we come from and how did we get too where we are as a species?" Even the Vatican is acknowledging these possibilities that there is life beyond our solar system, and not so long ago, one would be considered a Heretic for even thinking that and be sentenced to imprisonment or death. This is a leap and a bound to further our knowledge of our existence, not to crush religions or start arguments to come to no validated conclusions.
It's ironic how all these thing's are coming out by way of different people from all walks of life of there being some 'Other' answers to these questions and not mere propagandized intentions for the answers we are searching for!! If anything at all, these naysayer's should absorb what is being said, and if they have to, take it with a grain of salt, but don't write this scenario off so fast as it to be nothing than sheer nonsense and craziness because it doesn't follow the format of 'All' religion's and personally accepted belief systems.
So, for you 'Naysayer's' of this affiliation thread of Bob Lazar and Zacharia Sitchin being nothing but a thread of sheer idiocy and none important conversation/discussion? "Move on to another thread, there are plenty of places here where you can post with complete and utter acceptance by your so called peer's."
I have read every post to this thread, I have seen good and bad responses thus far, but for the most part, it is the same old, same old with the rhetorical arguments and rebuttals. A broken record player with the same song playing over, and over and over again. And if you cannot find one Iota of possibility in these possibilities, then you have made up your mind to not give anything a second thought for explanation.
OP....S&F.....Rant "Done"....LOL

Originally posted by Condemned0625
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Oh, wow! Because the technology wasn't finished or wasn't in proper condition and because the inventor wasn't present, you automatically dismiss it. What a bull**** excuse.

Last week, I saw a dinosaur in my backyard, I swear I did, but by the time police came to check, it was gone. How convenient.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Last week, I saw a dinosaur in my backyard, I swear I did, but by the time police came to check, it was gone. How convenient.

Now you're using absurd analogies to defend your position. Here's the difference: Even if that did happen, there's no video and no documented evidence. On the other hand, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of people who have built hydrogen fuel systems for vehicles that actually work, some of them recording it all on video along with a detailed explanation of the science behind it. Some of the major automobile corporations have even designed and built their own, but they can't distribute or sell it due to it resulting in an enormous loss of profit for the oil and gas industry. What about the people who have modified their cars to run entirely on ethanol and even moonshine? You may as well dismiss gasoline as a hoax since you think you can't even get any energy at all from alternative fuel. Maybe you should dismiss nuclear energy as a hoax as well. You're full of BS.

Originally posted by Condemned0625

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Last week, I saw a dinosaur in my backyard, I swear I did, but by the time police came to check, it was gone. How convenient.

Now you're using absurd analogies to defend your position. Here's the difference: Even if that did happen, there's no video and no documented evidence.

There is plenty of videos on the internet of purported yeti and aliens. Very few people consider it conclusive evidence.

Speaking of which, Lazar's video's aren't any sort of evidence anyhow and are equivalent of the dinosaur I saw in my backyard, but didn't have time to videotape. But it left huge droppings, which can be yours.... for a price.

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You've already left bigger droppings of your own all over this thread. They should be disposed of before a moderator decides to close the whole thing. You mind cleaning up your mess?

By the way, instead of addressing one small portion of my statement, I suggest you read the entire thing. Ignoring it doesn't help your argument at all.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Oh, wow! Because the technology wasn't finished or wasn't in proper condition and because the inventor wasn't present, you automatically dismiss it. What a bull**** excuse.

Last week, I saw a dinosaur in my backyard, I swear I did, but by the time police came to check, it was gone. How convenient.

HAHA. I think this is a true statement though. There is a common thread in ALL of these people. They tend to keep their "earth shattering evidence" sitting on a table in their apartment. It always dissapears, the people who know the truth never show up or simply don't exist in the first place. You think these guys would put this stuff in a safe or something hahahaha.

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I totally agree with everything you have just said 100%

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I am rather a "Self-starter" when it comes to thing's I don't know. I will either research the topic or , by means of higher enlightened person of the fields of study which I am looking for. I like doing things by myself as far as working out and learning answers to the problems that come up, Then we have this forum with the naysayers, because they cannot fathom the fact that there may be some truth to these types of topics and they also seem to have it all figured out before they walk through the proverbial door. It becomes nothing short of sheer self absorbed analytical indulgence to argue their point as being factual, irrefutable and both morally and decisively correct, no matter what has been brought to the table by way of topical "Conversation" or "Discussion" for there to be any other answer but their own because they "Heard it" or "Learned it" from so and so.
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I know a friend that is EXACTLY like that and it seems that a shocking amount of people here on ATS are the same way. I love being open to new concepts that change my perception of things, humanity as a whole does not know very much in the grand scheme of things, we barely can get off of our own planet..
S&F and a star to you

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"A star and Flag?? You are to generous for your own good my friend!!" LOL But thanks the same.

All I was merely pointing out is that with the unknowns we have in our preconception of these matters, we have to remain open-minded but still retain some form of stealth for what we are digesting by way of reading and learning.
The correlation of these two individuals, Lazar and Sitchin, is a rather "Epiphany" idea! Though there paths have never realistically crossed (Not as far as I know anyway) their contribution's to "What if" factor's leaves the mind toiling in the possibilities that , when combined, may not be to far off of the beaten trail for indecisive and conclusive answers. "Now, if we can get those 'Figments" of our imagination to once again land here to finish the argument....?" LOL
Lazar has tried to give us first hand accounts of Alien cooperation and Sitchin has suggested that Alien's have visited us before with the possibility of DNA reconstruction in our civilization, all of which is being done now by our scientists and Geneticists. SO, A hundred years ago, it would sound far fetched, but today, not so much.
What really becomes mind blowing is that the Ancients told their tales of the supposed 'Gods' from a high, and with Lazar, he is telling us that they were always here with there innovation's and advanced technology, which Sitchin tries to clarify by the Ancient Alien theory. Kind of Ironic, but does seem feasible for it being factual.
When the conversation of this thread switched over to the alternative fuels argument, it dawned on me that we want those things to keep from depleting our fossil fuels until they are 'Nil on our planet, may very well be why the extraterrestrials would have come here in the first place, a scenario of history repeating itself, just as Sitchin, Graham and Von Doniken(SP?) have came to their conclusions. What was once far fetched for food for thought now becomes a lived and practical idea for the multitudes of our species.
I could hear the conversation these two guy's would have had:
Sitchin: "Say Bob, did you know that there may very well have been extraterrestrial inhabitants here on earth before mankind became the homosapien we now are?"
Lazar: "May have been Zacharia? Hell, I just gave one of those guy's an oil change over at the Area 51 refueling and mechanics garage! Now, if we can get anyone to believe us..."

Just our luck here on ATS, we have more De-bunkers than a bad ghost reality show! LOL Just that they use the same arguments as a form of defense for their personal interpretation of this being factual..or even probable for that matter..
"Keep digesting the good parts, there is much more to these two than meets the eye!!"

makes you wonder why we have the large hadron collider , if not for finding the higgs boson , but for generating anti matter for the creation of gravity field generation for inter stellar travel.

So that the major contributors can have their ships travel to different planets and systems in our galaxy

Originally posted by sapien82
makes you wonder why we have the large hadron collider , if not for finding the higgs boson , but for generating anti matter for the creation of gravity field generation for inter stellar travel

Anti matter will not help you generate any field other than that due to its mass.

LHC was built for
a) Higgs hunt
b) Supersymmetry hunt
c) Heavy ion research