Bob Lazar seems to confirm Zecharia Sitchin

reply to post by capod2t


Hello capod2t,
I am currently reading the "12th Planet" series, and as far as I can tell as of right now, Sitchen wasn't really squandering about "Who" God was or is, but that with all the relationships too and by religious texts, it was very uncanny how most of the religion's of the worlds and their description's, story telling and age of creation's were so intertwined that Alien Intervention may very well be the answer to the ever eluding questions of our existence as homosapiens.
I am on the second book of the series, it is basically giving rationality to the story's such as "Alexander the Great" and "Epic of Gilgamesh" and not too mention such mythological stories as "Ba' al & Anat" to have some sort of fact based message from the ages. When one does read with an open mind these epic tales and so to be "Mythical" tales, it does create a paradox of sorts for explanations beyond the realm of practical sciences.
Sitchen has basically, over decades of research, been able to correlate these stories to practical applications via religious texts from the beginning of the earliest God's or Deities. Profound in itself, it merits some self controlled analogies of such claims, but on the same token, it does give a lot of explanation of the whole "Religion" thing as having a beginning place for mankind.
I believe that Sitchen was seeing a bigger picture than most researcher's of these very controversial topics, somehow there is a definite connection by way of his studies, and getting wrote off as a "Hoaxer" or being "Debunked" is the first argument of someone that refuses such possibilities right from the get go. He actually explains how we as a civilization would go about to describe such thing's that we see today by means of familiarity recognition and what the ancient's were more than probably doing in their time to explain what was in the term's of scientific perspectives "Unexplainable" by current dialect or language acknowledgment. For example, we call "Unidentified Flying Objects" or UFO's what we have dubbed them to be recognized as in our societal verbal and written understanding. So, having texts that link such thing's as "Chariot of Fire" or "Column of smoke by day, Fiery Pillar by night" Becomes quite an easy way to get the interpretation across of exactly what they were witnessing at the time for the ancient civilizations. And the absolute amazing thing about this theory is that these descriptions and tales were told by separate individuals from different walks of life throughout the recorded history's of Us..
I personally cannot prove his theory one way or the other, but if I were to put money on there being some kind of Alien consideration, I would bet the farm on this being a factual deduction to the unanswered questions of such thing's by way of religion and the stories of such events from our distant past. Lets face it, we are still writing, cataloging and acknowledging that there is something flying around in our skies, we just have a different way of discussing or conveying our experiences of such matters now.
If you have not read any of Sitchen's book's, I highly recommend them, I started with the first and will eventually work my way through the whole of the collection as I read, but, when reading them, if you are religious, do it with open mind and heart. There may be thing's you find rather flighty at best, but the big picture comes with the understanding of how this conclusion, amongst others, may very well be possibly the answer to "How did we get here?" kind of contemplation's.

reply to post by Allred5923


Yep. Have you watched Ancient Aliens? It's a great show.

I love that show, on the documentary channels on sky TV? I forget which one but it's great

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Well I don't know if this would help... I remember my father born in 1942 had hair all over his body, ears, nose,
hands, feet, back etc.... well my brother doesn't, and my children don't. I don't think we personally were abducted
etc.. but I always wondered why he had the hair and my children don't. Maybe its an environmental change from all the chemicals? People are taller and fatter than past peoples.

reply to post by Condemned0625


Haven't missed an episode, but trying to get my family to understand the implications without a shrug or a rolling eye is now my next great achievement!! LOL
The episode of the "Underground Cities" was extremely fascinating. It correlated quite a bit of what possibly may have caused the vitrification of rock in these areas by way of nuclear blasts or some other high technology kind of either defense or aggressive system. Story of "Sodom and Gomorrah" was really earth rattling for it's explanation. Scientists were saying it was from some kind of geothermal/earthquake scenario, now those theories have no farther answer's as do these possible "Alien Intelligence" and intermingle with mankind.
Like I said before, "I don't have the tangible/Physical proof." But it sure smells "Roses" with these deductions for explanation.

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I think it has something to do with generational gaps , it does involve DNA structure but isn't necessarily a direct onslaught of immediate offspring or relationships. Kind of like the "Twin's" every other generational gap scenario. Doesn't have to happen to every family generation, just when that DNA strand emulates itself from it's dormancy.

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Oh, I bought into it because it's "nonsense"? Is that right? Can you demonstrate that it's false? Can you explain to me why you think he would evaporate by holding the element? The element is not proton radiation itself. It is simply an element that can produce massive amounts of energy when it is bombarded by protons. The chunk of that element he was holding was not being bombarded by protons at that time, therefore he would NOT evaporate. That's a logical fallacy on your part.

You, I and your cat are bombarded by protons at ANY time. I wrote it in the post (see "sea level"), but of course it went straight over your head.

He claims that some strong gravity exists in superheavy elements, then somehow 116 falls apart anyhow. And there are any number of nonsensical mantras he keeps repeating.

And of course, I just love it that the most valuable material on Earth (and maybe in the Galaxy) was left in his apartment (or so he says) without any safeguarding. Yeah right. So of course anyone can say that it was "stolen".

reply to post by LDragonFire


so another words in regard to lesson 3 is it fair to say that the large hadron collider is creating a distortion?
that would explain a few things?

reply to post by Allred5923


thanks for the post. I am all over the show Ancient Aliens - can't get enough. And I am wide open that anything is possible. I've transcended the religion on which I was raised. I had an interest in learning more about Sumer and the translations, and that's when I started coming across Sitchen being discredited. As such, I went in another direction. My interest is where he got these specific names to which everyone refers.

I understand that these stories are all very similar and that, even in the Sumerian Texs, they predate recorded history. Or maybe history has continued to repeat itself in different times with different characters?

With regard to BOB LAZAR - I have listened to John speak about him for hours, telling the stories Lazar never told anybody else - it's very entertaining. Here's what gets my BP up: all these "whistle blowers" - they go a certain distance on all these sensitive issues but there's always those few topics that they can't talk about.

Burisch, Peterson, Greer, Stone - it's all the same. It's like, "dude, just tell us the rest!"

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Oh, I bought into it because it's "nonsense"? Is that right? Can you demonstrate that it's false? Can you explain to me why you think he would evaporate by holding the element? The element is not proton radiation itself. It is simply an element that can produce massive amounts of energy when it is bombarded by protons. The chunk of that element he was holding was not being bombarded by protons at that time, therefore he would NOT evaporate. That's a logical fallacy on your part.

You, I and your cat are bombarded by protons at ANY time. I wrote it in the post (see "sea level"), but of course it went straight over your head.

He claims that some strong gravity exists in superheavy elements, then somehow 116 falls apart anyhow. And there are any number of nonsensical mantras he keeps repeating.

And of course, I just love it that the most valuable material on Earth (and maybe in the Galaxy) was left in his apartment (or so he says) without any safeguarding. Yeah right. So of course anyone can say that it was "stolen".

No, it didn't go straight over my head. I don't think you understand the difference between the particular protons that bombard everything on Earth and the protons that are shot at different materials in laboratories. There's a huge difference there. Before you assert that his explanation is nonsensical, I suggest that you find a way to demonstrate that it's false. As for the material in his possession, you don't know all the details. You're obviously not Bob Lazar and you obviously do not fully know what he has gone through. For all we know, he could have had the piece of Ununpentium locked in a safe that he bought from a hardware store. Don't immediately dismiss something just because it seems absurd to you for whatever reason or excuse you have.

Originally posted by Condemned0625
I don't think you understand the difference between the particular protons that bombard everything on Earth and the protons that are shot at different materials in laboratories. There's a huge difference there.

Indeed, I don't understand the difference and I'm asking you to enlighten me. So, how are they different? And, as you say "hugely" different?

There are no "aliens" at Area 51. Bob Lazar was purposefully lied to so that he would go out into the world and spread this disinformation.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
He claims that some strong gravity exists in superheavy elements, then somehow 116 falls apart anyhow. And there are any number of nonsensical mantras he keeps repeating.

I think you misunderstood Lazar here I'm afraid. Gravity is a very weak force compared to the forces that hold together an atom and plays no part in stopping '116 fall(ing) apart'.

Gravitation is by far the weakest of the four interactions. Hence it is always ignored when doing particle physics. see here

The strong nuclear forces and electromagnetism are the forces at work in holding together the atom.

The strong interaction, or strong nuclear force, is the most complicated interaction, mainly because of the way it varies with distance. At distances greater than 10 femtometers, the strong force is practically unobservable. Moreover, it holds only inside the atomic nucleus. After the nucleus was discovered in 1908, it was clear that a new force was needed to overcome the electrostatic repulsion, a manifestation of electromagnetism, of the positively charged protons. Otherwise the nucleus could not exist.see here

For what it's worth, firing protons at element 115 could potentially do precisely what Lazar states. Unfortunately, we don't have a black operations budget to test the idea so I can only back up some of the theory.

I don't have a clue what the 'gravity amplifiers and gravity amplifier guides 'used to amplify the gravity A-wave' is all about. He's got me there (scratches head). If I can find the time I may have a closer look at how easy to debunk Lazar's claims are for myself. My father might be able to help as he has studied quantum field mathematics.

Originally posted by Diplomat
There are no "aliens" at Area 51. Bob Lazar was purposefully lied to so that he would go out into the world and spread this disinformation.

That is quite possible. However, it seems unlikely that they would build an operational flying disk with seating only a child could use just to convince him. It simply doesn't add up surely?

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Condemned0625
I don't think you understand the difference between the particular protons that bombard everything on Earth and the protons that are shot at different materials in laboratories. There's a huge difference there.

Indeed, I don't understand the difference and I'm asking you to enlighten me. So, how are they different? And, as you say "hugely" different?

It isn't necessarily protons bombarding us, but rather photons from ultraviolet radiation emitted by the sun. In a controlled environment under laboratory conditions (in a tube or small space), protons that are slammed into certain elements or even other atomic/subatomic particles at 99% the speed of light can cause massive bursts of energy. The Large Hadron Collider is a good example. They're smashing particles together every day to figure out exactly how the universe began. When the particles collide, large amounts of energy is produced, sometimes in the form of quark-gluon plasma that can reach a temperature of 4 trillion degrees Celsius. You might be wondering how such temperatures don't melt the containers, which is easy to explain. Plasma can be contained with magnets, preventing the extreme heat from touching the inside of the container. There's the huge difference between natural particle collisions and artificial particle collisions, both using different particles under different circumstances. I know what I'm talking about.

I forgot to mention that nuclear forces are what hold atoms and elements together, not "strong gravity" as you claimed. Lazar never made that claim either.

Originally posted by Condemned0625
It isn't necessarily protons bombarding us, but rather photons from ultraviolet radiation emitted by the sun.

Please answer the following two bullet points:

a) How does UV produce protons? Please explain in more detail.
b) Are you saying that cosmic rays coming to Earth (regardless of the Sun) do not contain protons?

In a controlled environment under laboratory conditions (in a tube or small space), protons that are slammed into certain elements or even other atomic/subatomic particles at 99% the speed of light can cause massive bursts of energy.

Again, please be specific:
a) So you are saying that the energy of protons produced in the lab is many times greater than what is observed by nature?
b) qualify the "massive bursts". How massive and what's the physics of a burst.

The Large Hadron Collider is a good example.

I should know, I work at the LHC.

When the particles collide, large amounts of energy is produced, sometimes in the form of quark-gluon plasma that can reach a temperature of 4 trillion degrees Celsius. You might be wondering how such temperatures don't melt the containers, which is easy to explain. Plasma can be contained with magnets, preventing the extreme heat from touching the inside of the container.

So you are saying that quark-gluon plasma is contained in magnetic traps?

There's the huge difference between natural particle collisions and artificial particle collisions, both using different particles under different circumstances. I know what I'm talking about.

So far you managed to convince me of the opposite.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Sure, you work at the LHC. I'd like to see some identification or credentials before I believe such a coincidence. You don't seem to know as much as you're supposed to.

Originally posted by Pimander

Originally posted by buddhasystem
He claims that some strong gravity exists in superheavy elements, then somehow 116 falls apart anyhow. And there are any number of nonsensical mantras he keeps repeating.

I think you misunderstood Lazar here I'm afraid. Gravity is a very weak force compared to the forces that hold together an atom and plays no part in stopping '116 fall(ing) apart'.

Did you watch the video? What it is this "gravity A" which is very strong and is only found in certain nuclei? I know full well about the scale of various forces in nature.

I don't have a clue what the 'gravity amplifiers and gravity amplifier guides 'used to amplify the gravity A-wave' is all about. He's got me there (scratches head).

Please don't scratch your head, you need all of your hair There is nothing that's worth your time in all that.

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Sure, you work at the LHC. I'd like to see some identification or credentials before I believe such a coincidence. You don't seem to know as much as you're supposed to.

And now, back to you answer to my questions regarding your assertion about protons. I'm all ears.

Originally posted by Pimander

Originally posted by Diplomat
There are no "aliens" at Area 51. Bob Lazar was purposefully lied to so that he would go out into the world and spread this disinformation.

That is quite possible. However, it seems unlikely that they would build an operational flying disk with seating only a child could use just to convince him. It simply doesn't add up surely?

Where are the pictures of this seat in the craft that you're talking about?

Oh, that's right, we don't have anything like that, only Bob Lazar's "word."

He's a liar. Plain and simple.

We know the government black ops programs have "ET-like" aircrafts... but they aren't actually "ET."